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Terpenation at Terpene Station
- Thread starter FatherEarth
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If you look close at the gold shatter in the picture, it is super thin flakes in a matrix. When we've purged to that point, there was no butane odor or taste, but more does come out if you do a final purge at 115F and -29.5"Hg. See attached gold flake pictures.
The white will also come out as shatter if you purge it long enough. We have gotten that consistency from a Mk IIIA in about an hour of purging at ambient temperature (currently about 85F). See second picture:
The third picture is white shatter that was opened too early, and the consistency is taffy, due to retained butane.
Nice video FE, finishing off the purge became a lot simpler after I made the Polycarbonate lids, so that we could watch things happen.
If you were to set the Mk IIIA lower end in hot water while you were pulling a vacuum and watching, the cotton candy would melt back down into a thin amber colored shatter.
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Yea ICdog, that is what came out of a two column terpenator run after sitting under vac for 20 mins or so before i got to it...
So here are some microscope shots of the flake. I then hit the sample with a heat gun until it turned liquid and then solidified into shatter. And yea Im ethanol purging the flakes for cleanliness sake...
On another note I may be onto something with this microscope BHO shots. It looks like artwork, very cool stuff. Its another world inside your BHO.... I think that the heat gun may have contaminated the sample cause its got some what appears to be dust particles in the heated pics. I hope thats what it was otherwise my BHO is nasty dusty. It didnt show up til after the heat gun so...
No heat purge:
Heated with heat gun
So here are some microscope shots of the flake. I then hit the sample with a heat gun until it turned liquid and then solidified into shatter. And yea Im ethanol purging the flakes for cleanliness sake...
On another note I may be onto something with this microscope BHO shots. It looks like artwork, very cool stuff. Its another world inside your BHO.... I think that the heat gun may have contaminated the sample cause its got some what appears to be dust particles in the heated pics. I hope thats what it was otherwise my BHO is nasty dusty. It didnt show up til after the heat gun so...
No heat purge:
Heated with heat gun
The artsy looking stuff...
no editing just adjusted the aperture on the microscope.
no editing just adjusted the aperture on the microscope.
GW noticed some stress cracks in my vac lid that I had been ignoring... So I made a new one, a bit cleaner this round. 8x8"
Broke down an oz of gold flakes into a couple cap fulls of 190 proof for purging...
Broke down an oz of gold flakes into a couple cap fulls of 190 proof for purging...
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Veg N Out
Nice
Question for all you extract elders.....
What kind of taste would you describe the winterized oil as having, if it had a taste at all.
I just tried some winterized oil/wax and noticed that there was a "vaporized" taste. I was not expecting much taste at all, and its possible that it hadn't been fully purged, or there was some wax residue that got heated in the rig..
Still there was a generic vaporized taste.
What kind of taste would you describe the winterized oil as having, if it had a taste at all.
I just tried some winterized oil/wax and noticed that there was a "vaporized" taste. I was not expecting much taste at all, and its possible that it hadn't been fully purged, or there was some wax residue that got heated in the rig..
Still there was a generic vaporized taste.
When you say two column run are you talking about doing a run, pulling to vacuum, remove and replace the column, *not collecting any oil out of the pot* and doing another run, then scrape up all the oil?? I just met someone who went to a class and they said that was what they were shown there. Does this have any effect on the quality being re-soaked over and over in butane?? He said i should do like 4 runs, reloading the column and have the oil just build up. Ive never tried this and am waiting on some new material to come in to give it a shot, figured id see if this guy was correct or maybe misheard something before i do 4 runs and open to pot up to a pile of horrible looking waxy weird oil lol. Most of my runs dont get winterized as i try to stick to running high quality trim or nugs 
Depends on how you get rid of the alcohol. If we use heat, we lose a lot of the lighter terpenes, so if we want a floral oil, we cold boil away the alcohol.
It will be less floral than the BHO it was made from, as more of the lighter terpenes are lost purging the ethanol, but it can still have a nice floral flavor if you keep your temperatures below 115F and purge at -29.5" Hg.
As a PS, some oooold folks remember the hash oil of yore and crave the slightly sweet flavor of residual ethanol, so know your customer. I added ethanol to please one panel tester, and to demonstrate why the oil of yore tasted like "candy."
When you say two column run are you talking about doing a run, pulling to vacuum, remove and replace the column, *not collecting any oil out of the pot* and doing another run, then scrape up all the oil?? I just met someone who went to a class and they said that was what they were shown there. Does this have any effect on the quality being re-soaked over and over in butane?? He said i should do like 4 runs, reloading the column and have the oil just build up. Ive never tried this and am waiting on some new material to come in to give it a shot, figured id see if this guy was correct or maybe misheard something before i do 4 runs and open to pot up to a pile of horrible looking waxy weird oil lol. Most of my runs dont get winterized as i try to stick to running high quality trim or nugs
The practical limit on how many columns you can run into the same collection pot, is determined by the product that you are running and how much oil it is depositing.
When the oil level in the lower chamber reaches above the down tubes extending through the lid, it will start blowing oil around inside the collection pot, making it more work to clean afterwards.
If you kept running, it would eventually cause oil to be sucked into the pump inlet, a bad thang.
Our typical harvested plants weigh in around a pound, and we don't typically mix strains, so it only takes three columns to run it completely.
I've run half a dozen runs on the same lower end running trim without issue.
As it is a fully enclosed system, the terpenes have no place to go, so they stick around even if you repeatedly soak the oil.
Purdy!
Good job on the new lid! Drilling Polycarbonate with a standard drill bit leaves micro-fractures around the cut edge, and as soon as you flex the panel under vacuum, they will start to propogate.
A drill bit for Polycarbonate has a different rake angle than bits for drilling metal, and are turned at a faster rate.
As an alternative, I used a 3/4" hole saw, which I drilled from both directions to eliminate any edge micro-fractures, and then used a 1/4" bulk head fitting with an o-ring, instead of threading the hole.
When you say two column run are you talking about doing a run, pulling to vacuum, remove and replace the column, *not collecting any oil out of the pot* and doing another run, then scrape up all the oil?? I just met someone who went to a class and they said that was what they were shown there. Does this have any effect on the quality being re-soaked over and over in butane?? He said i should do like 4 runs, reloading the column and have the oil just build up. Ive never tried this and am waiting on some new material to come in to give it a shot, figured id see if this guy was correct or maybe misheard something before i do 4 runs and open to pot up to a pile of horrible looking waxy weird oil lol. Most of my runs dont get winterized as i try to stick to running high quality trim or nugs
Yes, multiple column floods, then change out the column for a fresh one and run again. Two columns worth of material. I suggest a sight glass off the top. I like it cause I can see what color the butane is and I will flood until its clear or nearly clear. Otherwise you are leaving stuff behind. At some point you have to say is it worth it to grab a tiny bit more oil or just switch columns. Cold runs are the way to go. Im getting the butane clear after 3 floods. Thats with a frozen column to start and a heavily packed cooler of ice with my tank inside. If your butane is warm youll get yellow butane for what seems like eternity then itll start to turn greenish yellow, making your oil way dark with undesirables.
Keep it frozen for light colors and heavy terpene funk. This last ethanol purge I didnt use any heat and so far its still hanging on to that awesome smell. Its not fully dry yet but its coming along
Terp'd up and Terp'd out,
FE
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Veg N Out
Let's talk vacuum ovens...
I'm looking at this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-9-Cu-Ft-L...697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c59e17c69
I'm looking at this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-9-Cu-Ft-L...697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c59e17c69
Yea that one is Errl-riffic. Ive been eye ballin that one for a while, nice choice.
Birds of a Feather, heh. I dont know anything about the quality of it, although it looks nice with all the bells and whistles... Have you searched for any reviews on it? The seller is touting them as BHO vac ovens yada yada..
Whos got one of these beauties?? Anyone?
FE
Birds of a Feather, heh. I dont know anything about the quality of it, although it looks nice with all the bells and whistles... Have you searched for any reviews on it? The seller is touting them as BHO vac ovens yada yada..
Whos got one of these beauties?? Anyone?
FE
I think I could get a old one and go to town on it and have a pretty nice unit once its said and done. If I had the extra loot burning a hole in the ashtray and had a time frame for getting material processed Id just get that one...
Lol why has noone mentioned the multiple column flood before?? Excuse me if i just missed it but i didnt think i had heard about this until this guy told me thats what they learned in class. This would have saved me weeks over the last few months! When my material gets in next week ill be doing this from now on. The guy i was talking to said i could do at least 4 runs, and using this method i could easily run 2 or more machines instead of just one. Scraping up oil each round takes a lot of time lol. Thanks for the help guys!
Oh an the oven..... That thing is a must if your making large amounts of oil, you can throw a lb slab on each shelf lol, and it keeps a perfect temp for days Im about to buy one for my buddy, they are awesome!
Oh an the oven..... That thing is a must if your making large amounts of oil, you can throw a lb slab on each shelf lol, and it keeps a perfect temp for days
Im about to buy one for my buddy, they are awesome!
Vacuum ovens...before you consider purchasing read Graywolf's adventure,
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/vacuum-oven-controls-upgrades/
GW says a thousand watts is way to large a heater...
"Posted by Skunk Pharm Research,LLC on June 11, 2013 at 7:40 AM
The oven seems to operate exactly at set point using just the lower element, so one possible upgrade, would be to just disconnect one of the lower elements and weld on a stud for a Type K ring thermocouple. You could then wire in a digital controller like the Panasonic.
Both elements together appear to have too much enertia at 500 watts each, for precise control.
You could also replace the two 500W strip heaters with units about half that size, to address the same issue."
GW finds manual ramp up necessary...
"The other thing we found of course, is that if we start at ambient and set the controller at 115F, by the time the temperature hits 115F, there is excessive hysteresis in the heating element and oven can. As a result it will overshoot wildly and take a while to settle back down. We therefore only raise the temperature 5 degrees at a time until we settle in at set point."
I'm see 1,200 watts for the Across vacuum ovens, here's one with a "28 segments programmable digital ramp temperature control," which should allow you to auto ramp up smoothly once you get it programmed...
http://acrossinternational.com/570F...09-Cu-Ft-Atmosphere-Vacuum-Oven-VO16020fr.htm
Across International, "How to calibrate vacuum oven"
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7rqPmjRidAhZzhTTDN4ZlU1Y00/edit?pli=1
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/vacuum-oven-controls-upgrades/
GW says a thousand watts is way to large a heater...
"Posted by Skunk Pharm Research,LLC on June 11, 2013 at 7:40 AM
The oven seems to operate exactly at set point using just the lower element, so one possible upgrade, would be to just disconnect one of the lower elements and weld on a stud for a Type K ring thermocouple. You could then wire in a digital controller like the Panasonic.
Both elements together appear to have too much enertia at 500 watts each, for precise control.
You could also replace the two 500W strip heaters with units about half that size, to address the same issue."
GW finds manual ramp up necessary...
"The other thing we found of course, is that if we start at ambient and set the controller at 115F, by the time the temperature hits 115F, there is excessive hysteresis in the heating element and oven can. As a result it will overshoot wildly and take a while to settle back down. We therefore only raise the temperature 5 degrees at a time until we settle in at set point."
I'm see 1,200 watts for the Across vacuum ovens, here's one with a "28 segments programmable digital ramp temperature control," which should allow you to auto ramp up smoothly once you get it programmed...
http://acrossinternational.com/570F...09-Cu-Ft-Atmosphere-Vacuum-Oven-VO16020fr.htm
Across International, "How to calibrate vacuum oven"
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7rqPmjRidAhZzhTTDN4ZlU1Y00/edit?pli=1
Have my ticket for the station!
Have my ticket for the station!
Hello to FE and others in here and I just picked up my stainless beauty last night and could not wait to post a pic! The rest of the set-up will be coming together pretty fast and will update when we go online. Possibly before too as I may need some advice, who knows. Glad to be a part of this and contribute anyway I can.
Have my ticket for the station!
Hello to FE and others in here and I just picked up my stainless beauty last night and could not wait to post a pic! The rest of the set-up will be coming together pretty fast and will update when we go online. Possibly before too as I may need some advice, who knows. Glad to be a part of this and contribute anyway I can.
paperchaser825
Active member
So um, where we pickin these babies up? I needz me this.
