O.G. kush mystery Solved!!??!

[canned abyss1]

Many high resin cultivars do that.

The posts I made are referring to plant structure, flavor, and effect all being similar, like there related. Not just based on look alone.

Having grown and smoked all of the cultivars I posted about allows me to have that opinion...

I have not mentioned the OG cuts I have grown and smoked, because all the plants I posted about in this thread are NOTHING like OG Kush 8^)

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I am really surprised that you can't see the similarities in these plants, and I don't mean flavor or terpenes or what kind of high it has, but the actual similarity in the structure of them.

 

[DIDM]

I never got those clones to grow because I was away and they died and I never grew the seeds so I swear I never crossed Bogbubble to anything to get sour bubble.

It was just an odd selection I had seen a couple times before in my Bogbubble.

There was a Heads article that theorized that ECSD was a cross of my SB and Sour diesel but I was never told this by REZ so I doubt it.

I really like ECSD though. I think it the best tasting of the diesels.

With the sour bubble it really came out of the same WhiteLabel bubblegum as the Bogbubble. What was the other indica they used? The pack said it was a cross of two indicas. There are several possibilities.

Maybe one of you know. It predated double gum by WhiteLable. Sour Bubble must be a throw back to this other indica. Sour bubble seems a bubbakush to me but not much like bubblegum really. So was the other indica used possibly Kush?

The closest thing I have smoked to sour bubble was a clone called Pure Kush.

Back when I started all I had to work with was NL5 and the WhiteLabel Bubblegum. Bogglegum was the cross of those two. When I made Lifesaver SubCool had sent me his JCB that I crossed to my Bogbubble.

It was after that the sour bubble clone was isolated from the Bogbubble.

The seeds I sent the OG guy at overgrow were Bogbubble and Bogglegum so possibly he used either as pollen but I don't know so don't accuse me of lying. I have told the same story, thhe truth for many years now and it was all done public ally while in process at OG.

when I saw your sour bubble at the cup it was bubba kush IMHO, like at least 95% Bubba in look and smell, I didn't taste it

 

[420247]

I am really surprised that you can't see the similarities in these plants, and I don't mean flavor or terpenes or what kind of high it has, but the actual similarity in the structure of them.

Plant structure is different than leaf structure and those are different than bud structure (I didnt even mention that part).

There is no proper taxonomic classification for OG Kush that I have read... Its not Sativa, Indica, and for sure not Ruderalis alone

It is a perfect blend of the Sativa and Indica descriptions that I have read.

Sour Bubble, Bubba Kush, Pure Kush, and the Trinity match the Indica descriptions i have read perfectly.

So yes OG Kush matches some of the Cannabis Indica description and Deep Chunk matches the Cannabis Indica description, so in some way they must have some relation.

 

[SooperSmurph]

There is no proper taxonomic classification for OG Kush that I have read... Its not Sativa, Indica, and for sure not Ruderalis alone

You forgot Cannabis Afghanica and... what are they calling the indian subcontinent strains these days? There was some thought to calling them "Ganja" type, but I doubt this would fly in the botany world...

The thing people keep labeling as "OG Kush" seems to combine qualities of Indica and Afghanica lines.

 

[Seal-Clubber]

To call og "middle shelf", you must be smokin some butt og.
And not everybody grows strains based on yield. Personally, Its about the fourth most important thing, after taste, potency and aroma. But then again, im not "looking for the $$$", im about the meds. Like you right? And all those strains you listed are 20% thc huh?

All the strains I listed were great, I have grown and inbred them to themselves (conversation for another day).. All have produced results better than the finest "Top-Shelf" at about 30 cannabis clubs all over the San Fransisco, Oakland, and Sacramento (and northern) areas, including my OG runs.

My results for OG Kush was not as good as my results for Sensi Seeds NL#5 x Haze or Jack Herer for example. For an indica strain, Sensi Star and Deep Chunk are very potent strains and I believe to be a far better choice than OG Kush.

My point behind the "retarded gangster" was that most of the youth today is fucking stupid and they cant remember something special like Jack Herer, they remember words they constantly repeat in their lives, I.E. OG (original gansta), Kush (weed), Cookies (main source of nutrition), Skittles (secondary source of nutrition.)

see my point? OG Kush is great and if I never tried those strains I listed, (grown like 50+ more - off top of my head), I believe I would be ignorant as to the multitude of variety out there. If you love taste and aroma, try Mendo The Purp.. WOW! talk about a super fine taste and smell.




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OG Rascal hit me with Negative Karma and told me to "RELAX". His seeds suck ass and he treats people with an opinion like the asshole he sees himself as. This is MY OPINION of his product and customer relations. -trash

I bet he also has multiple accounts he uses to pump his own Kush. Sorry but this is how I feel about the Kush invasion and now I see their folks shining in the colors they are.

I`m gonna get out of here folks, I don't like the "New Kush Crew". Remember, It all starts from a seed! Here is my Goddess, she is 28% or so as lab tested and I have a Lemon Widow which is just as potent but 10x smellier. I`ll give Ghost Train Haze a run for her money. I`ll see you folks at the cannabis cups... (Top-Shelf) You have to meet 20%+THC to enter, lol.. I`ll see ya there.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

I have enjoyed participating here...

Normally I stay in my forum so as not to rile people up about my selling seeds.

I just recently read the HT article we discussed and saw this thread. Normally I don't open myself up because a lot of flaming goes on in this forum. We all have some strong beliefs and loyalties but in reality we are all after the same thing really.

Thanks for putting up with me and thanks for the info. Bog

 

[mack 10]

you should come out more Bog.
)
Mack.

 

[420247]

You forgot Cannabis Afghanica and... what are they calling the indian subcontinent strains these days? There was some thought to calling them "Ganja" type, but I doubt this would fly in the botany world...

The thing people keep labeling as "OG Kush" seems to combine qualities of Indica and Afghanica lines.

I cant find any info from a Botanist, Professor, or Explorer about C. Afghanica...

In 1929, renowned plant explorer Nikolai Vavilov assigned wild or feral populations of Cannabis in Afghanistan to C. indica Lam. var. kafiristanica Vav.

OG Kush is not wild or feral from what I know or have read.

Professors William Emboden, Loran Anderson, and Harvard botanist Richard E. Schultes and coworkers also conducted taxonomic studies of Cannabis in the 1970s, and concluded that stable morphological differences exist that support recognition of at least three species, C. sativa, C. indica, and C. ruderalis. For Schultes, this was a reversal of his previous interpretation that Cannabis is monotypic, with only a single species. According to Schultes' and Anderson's descriptions, C. sativa is tall and laxly branched with relatively narrow leaflets, C. indica is shorter, conical in shape, and has relatively wide leaflets, and C. ruderalis is short, branchless, and grows wild in central Asia. This taxonomic interpretation was embraced by Cannabis aficionados who commonly distinguish narrow-leafed "sativa" drug strains from wide-leafed "indica" drug strains.

It is a perfect blend of the Sativa and Indica descriptions from what I have read.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

We have all been down the Joe Brand/Chem Road before! LOL We have to ask wich came first , Indica or Sativia? , Speaking with Robert Clarke , "He says In the real world of Botany All psychoactive cannabis are indicas , Hemp is Sativa non psychoactive ", Over time Plants expressed different characteristics and traits based on migration region and climate and breeding... " Northern Hemi short stalky fast flowering , Southern Hemi tall lanky slower flower .. others fall in between , Longitude and latitude have a great deal of influence on a plants characteristics and traits ....... Like DjS says you can alter a plants characteristics based on flowering hours. according to him a 12/12 influences Indicas by adjusting flowering time you can bring out satvia traits in a plant that are hidden traits OG def came from Chem family same as the desiel's.. What made Chem until that is truly solved everyone is just guessing , My guess!! The "original" Chem/OG's has to have some Thai/Hawaiian in it and some Middle eastern, Affy / Rk / Trinity type parents...
Ill bet everything its origins are Not Florida... The Chem/OG Family came from CO/CA origins.

 

[SooperSmurph]

I cant find any info from a Botanist, Professor, or Explorer about C. Afghanica... OG Kush is not wild or feral from what I know or have read. It is a perfect blend of the Sativa and Indica descriptions from what I have read.

Some botantists still don't consider Cannabis Ruderalis its own subspecies, we can only hope that as more research happens with new laws, we get some really good genetic sequencing information on our lady Cannabis that reveals her true history to us.

I personally think there are at least 5 subspecies of Cannabis, Sat., Ind., Rud., Afg., InSub.(Indian subcontinent "Ganja"), and there may be more, or less, time and science will tell.

Time will also tell whether human selection is causing further division within the species.

Anyway, Tomato, Tomahto

 

[Seal-Clubber]

I prefer to recognize the land-race genetics as oppose to mislabeling something. SE Asia, Central Asia, Western Asia, Northern Asia (rud.), Middle eastern(lowland/highland), Hindu-Kush (highland), Indian; North/south/e/w African (highland/lowland), Americans, ect.

DNA testing can hopefully help someday in the future and make things easier to truly trace the original and indigenous strains of cannabis. (Not just calling everything "Kush")



Here is Banana Kush, BTW

 

[BrnCow]

The new High Times has an article on OG and Bubba Kush and it's origins...

 

[MOneYMiKe]

This guy^^^.....

 

[BrnCow]

That HT article said it started with bagseed from the Grateful Dead concert. I remember the kids waking me up after a phish concert and shotgunning me a hit from "GD lot 'Kind' Bud". I laid back down and a soothing stone went through me and I felt perfect for a few minutes until I went back and slept like a baby...dope stories are almost as good as treasure hunting stories...

 

[Seal-Clubber]

That HT article said it started with bagseed from the Grateful Dead concert.

Haha.. That Guy!

My best friends' dad was groupie for the Dead, been to hundreds of concerts on the west coast, mostly in the Bay Area, San Fransisco. He was a P.O.S. and involved with the Hell's Angels.

..I`ve been to dozens of Dead concerts.. The arena was ALWAYS filled with canna smoke. It`s good herb but 90% of what you got at dead concerts was Cali-Orange. Cali-o is a main keeper for the bikers and organized crime before medical marijuana. After medical marijuana and prop 215, the "kush guys" who once grew Cali-o, changed to "Kush". I`m born and raised in California, 15 years in LA, 15 years in bay area, and years in Nor-Cal.

Greatfuldead concerts were filled with herb and LSD from the Hell's Angels. Inside info, in case you didn't know. good reporting! the GreatfulDead Kush is the same as the Hell's Angels cut. I hate Hell's Angels, btw... total losers..

 

[silverhazefiend]

This guy ^^^ lol

 

[Seal-Clubber]

oh come`on.. everyone loves the Hell's Angels..

except me..

 

[pappy masonjar]

afgahnis arent indicas. they are afaghanicas. and are by no means short and stocky.

just to clarify the op's mesaage

med-man

Medman- Next time you want to "clarify" something, make sure that your clear on what was said. Nowhere in my post did i mention afghanis. I said "kush", referring mainly to the "hindu kush" strain. Which i understand is short and stocky. Especially in contrast to the stretched nodes of og. I purposely did not mention 'afghanis', because there as tall plants in afghanistan. mazar i sharif comes to mind. Anyways, your post is inaccurate, but ill get to that later. And i think i know why you threw C. Afghanica's name in the mix.

Huh?

Afghani only refers to money. There are no Afghani plants, period. People still referring to any cannabis as "afghani" in 2013 should just stop. This is not a new bit of information yet it continues, particularly amongst weed heads who don't know shit, apparently.

C. Afghanicas can be short and stocky. It's just flat out wrong to say otherwise, especially when you add the qualifier "by no means". Frankly, anyone who is talking in such definite terms about something as varied as cannabis genetics is talking at least a little bit of shit.

Short and stocky is the primary shape/structure associated with Afghans. But they are not all short and stocky. Some are tall and lanky and look like sativas. Pure afghan genes can vary wildly. Perhaps it's just that the best types have consistently or predominantly been short and stocky?

My point behind the "retarded gangster" was that most of the youth today is fucking stupid and they cant remember something special like Jack Herer, they remember words they constantly repeat in their lives, I.E. OG (original gansta), Kush (weed), Cookies (main source of nutrition), Skittles (secondary source of nutrition.)

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OG Rascal hit me with Negative Karma and told me to "RELAX". His seeds suck ass and he treats people with an opinion like the asshole he sees himself as. This is MY OPINION of his product and customer relations. -trash

I bet he also has multiple accounts he uses to pump his own Kush. Sorry but this is how I feel about the Kush invasion and now I see their folks shining in the colors they are.


I`m gonna get out of here folks, I don't like the "New Kush Crew". Remember, It all starts from a seed! Here is my Goddess, she is 28% or so as lab tested and I have a Lemon Widow which is just as potent but 10x smellier. I`ll give Ghost Train Haze a run for her money. I`ll see you folks at the cannabis cups... (Top-Shelf) You have to meet 20%+THC to enter, lol.. I`ll see ya there.

First, i do agree that gangster wannbe's, sagging pants, and pretty much the youth in general; are lame. My point was, that i personally, dont buy things based on the choice of somebody who, (according to you), is the poster boy for, "The Wrong Choice". (And i do realize that my screen name and picture are of a nyc gangster, but it was a joke)
And to the four people who didnt find my post helpful

SECOND, What you said about rascal; That is straight slander. Unless you have some kind of proof about that, you should prolly keep your fukin mouth shut, At least in this thread. Those are pretty serious allegations. In the real world, you'd get sued for that shit.
Also, in my experience, ogr's stuff is fire.
Third, "the new kush crew", uuuhhh. Im not part of any crew, i just like og, so if you don't, stop posting in a thread about og.

I cant find any info from a Botanist, Professor, or Explorer about C. Afghanica...



OG Kush is not wild or feral from what I know or have read.



It is a perfect blend of the Sativa and Indica descriptions from what I have read.

We have all been down the Joe Brand/Chem Road before! LOL We have to ask wich came first , Indica or Sativia? , Speaking with Robert Clarke , "He says In the real world of Botany All psychoactive cannabis are indicas , Hemp is Sativa non psychoactive ", Over time Plants expressed different characteristics and traits based on migration region and climate and breeding... " Northern Hemi short stalky fast flowering , Southern Hemi tall lanky slower flower .. others fall in between , Longitude and latitude have a great deal of influence on a plants characteristics and traits ....... Like DjS says you can alter a plants characteristics based on flowering hours. according to him a 12/12 influences Indicas by adjusting flowering time you can bring out satvia traits in a plant that are hidden traits OG def came from Chem family same as the desiel's.. What made Chem until that is truly solved everyone is just guessing , My guess!! The "original" Chem/OG's has to have some Thai/Hawaiian in it and some Middle eastern, Affy / Rk / Trinity type parents...
Ill bet everything its origins are Not Florida... The Chem/OG Family came from CO/CA origins.

I read something not to long ago, gimme a min....

 

[soursmoker]

So can anyone agree on anything at all or what?

I always thought OG was related to chem...

so no one believes the Joe Brand Story anymore?

 

[pappy masonjar]

"They're all indicas. Karl Hillig at Indiana University did a genetic study of ninety different landraces from around the world, the largest study of landrace cannabis ever done. One thing he found, very clearly in the genetics, is that all cannabis are indic."

I must've looked confused because he gave me the kind of look that a sympathetic tutor might give a special needs student.

"There are three distinct subspecies we primarily use- subspecies indica- those are the narrow leaf tropical drug strains we call sativas."

I hate it when scientist go around renaming things, Everyone knows these plants as sativas, so i really don't see the point in changing thier name. Do they think it makes them look smarter? Isn't it already confusing enough? It's like when paleontologists decided the brontosaurus was really an apatosaurus. Was that really helpful?

"Why don't we just keep calling them sativas ? Whats the problem with that?"

"The problem is that the guy who named cannabis was French. It was the 18th century. He never got on a boat; he never went to India. He was basing his taxonomy on drawings and specimens that, in a pre-refrigeration world, had either been pressed and brought back or were just, you know, rotting. And.... he got it wrong"......

Excerpt from The Heart of Dankness. mark haskell smith.