Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers

[Veg N Out]

^ It all depends on where you,re at. Plenty of spots with springs that don't quit and wells that don't slow down. People that bought cheap land aren't going to have a future in those spots unless they bought it cheap in the 70's.

This is true. I can testify. There are some places with amazing wells and springs.

 

[anonymousgrow]

My well puts out crazy water. Even in the hot hot heat when the neighbors' wells are dry. I am very thankful for this.

 

[theJointedOne]

the 'sapphire" triangle is from gv up the 5 to shasta, over to lassen, down to tahoe and everything in between...basically the 530 area. Sapphire b/c of the abundant amazing water we have .

Emeralds and Sapphires go well together imo...

 

[minds_I]

^^ water access is one of the best reasons the Triangle is looking at a tough future in cannabis production, while the foothills are looking promising.

^ It all depends on where you,re at. Plenty of spots with springs that don't quit and wells that don't slow down. People that bought cheap land aren't going to have a future in those spots unless they bought it cheap in the 70's.

Hello all,

Sinking a well goes a long way to alleviate the eco-damage from diverting spring water.

Just say'in.

minds_I

 

[jimboyia]

Hello all,

Sinking a well goes a long way to alleviate the eco-damage from diverting spring water.

Just say'in.

minds_I

true, in the short term - ask the folks in Burlington Colorado who've had all their wells filled in so the water can at least make it to Kansas. Aquifer depletion is a whole different story.

 

[Brain]

Eco damage? Maybe is some cases but it is far from a sure thing. A lot of hype about the environmental damage caused from grows spread in the media but what they dont mention is they are really only talking about illegal trespass grows and very small percentage of people pulling from creeks. Save you blanket "eco" statements for online news article comments.

 

[Oregonism]

Here in Oregon, they finally changed the damn law. If you put in a big ass well, you also had to mitigate by adding surface water credits. This was tough in some places where 100% of surface rights have been appropriated. California is no different in practicing prior appropriation of water rights. First in use, first in right and on down the line until the last junior user.

Overwhelming most use of water especially in the Western US is for farming and agriculture. Most of it is animal farming and the fodder being grown for them. A small percentage actually is used for food production and municipal uses. Ground water is probably the poorest understood part of the hydrosphere by a long shot, but well withdrawal can usually be attributed to surface water decline and in a lot of cases it is not needed.

I plant my outdoors in riparian areas according to keyline principles. Very little surface water ever appears in these areas, however, the plant life is a huge indicator of these areas. This could be put into more practical use. I also don't tend to fertilizer either as these areas accumulate nutrients more so than run-off areas.

I guess its just in whose perspective you are asking. Prices aren't being determined by a lack of future water. The thing about water delivery systems is how poorly they are derived from actual empirical evidence and usually egged on by those making some kind of revenue off of water recovery or water delivery, more corporatism at best. Powell, was one of the 1st to point out that trouble would brew with states boundaries often corresponding to arbitrary points. He argued that watershed boundaries should also be state and national boundaries.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Eco damage? Maybe is some cases but it is far from a sure thing. A lot of hype about the environmental damage caused from grows spread in the media but what they dont mention is they are really only talking about illegal trespass grows and very small percentage of people pulling from creeks. Save you blanket "eco" statements for online news article comments.

^nobody sets up grows and drys up creeks. They bring up waterbed mattresses full in trucks, and pump it to reservoirs. Nobody sets up a big grow with iffy water sources. A small creek that drys up is an iffy water source. therefore nobody is drying up creeks with there weed production. One large tree next to those creeks probably drinks more water in one day than the entire grow does all season.

 

[Brain]

Nothing in my quote about drying up creeks. Growers do pump from them until they go dry, naturally, this time of year. They also store water to make it the rest of the season and/or supplement with water deliveries.

Things are really not that much better in the in the Sierra foothills...again...depending on your spot. All that snow melt has got to be great though. I wanna go swimming.

 

[minds_I]

Eco damage? Maybe is some cases but it is far from a sure thing. A lot of hype about the environmental damage caused from grows spread in the media but what they dont mention is they are really only talking about illegal trespass grows and very small percentage of people pulling from creeks. Save you blanket "eco" statements for online news article comments.

Nothing in my quote about drying up creeks. Growers do pump from them until they go dry, naturally, this time of year. They also store water to make it the rest of the season and/or supplement with water deliveries.

Things are really not that much better in the in the Sierra foothills...again...depending on your spot. All that snow melt has got to be great though. I wanna go swimming.

Hello all,

Which is it...its hype or just some do?

minds_I

 

[floralheart]

If you aren't drying up creeks, you aren't growing them big enough.

Here it's 2,700 a lb. or so i've heard.

 

[Brain]

Mind I - You need some reading comprehensions skills. Read the whole whole posts so the highlighted area has context and you'll see they don't contradict each other. Then fuck off.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Brain, I am sorry that I have offended your delicate sensibilities.

I must conclude that you are ill informed.



Here is literature for you to consume...this is a real issue. Apply your reading comprehension skills to this material and when you have a premise to stand on the issue... get back to me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/u...forests-and-wildlife.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_21455470/

http://planetsave.com/2012/12/24/ma...-and-destroying-the-environment-studies-find/

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/02/google-earth-tour-marijuana-farms-environment-video


These are but a few on the first page of a google search. However when I search for info on sustainable mj growing in the mountains I come up with little...why is that do you suppose Brain?

Can you show me documentation that the environmental impact of large grows (or even numerous small grows clustered together) is minimal?

In the future, you should try to educate yourself before suggesting that others fuck off...makes you look the fool.

minds_I

 

[Brain]

These are but a few on the first page of a google search. However when I search for info on sustainable mj growing in the mountains I come up with little...why is that do you suppose Brain?



Because pro Marijuana articles don't align with your news sources agendas. This is the hype I was talking about. Stop spreading fear and ignorance. Add something to the conversation or like I said...

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Just was over at a friends and he brokered a 5 pack of light deprived blue dream for 18 this morning. Still needs a cure but a great nose and well trimmed.

OK Brain, have your way. I have not the desire to enter into a pissing match with you.

If you can not see that there is quite a bit of eco-damage associated with cannabis up here in the triangle and elsewhere then you are not looking.

And it is not just cannabis growers...the timber industry has done considerable damage.

Water diversion is epidemic. The use of domestic pesticides (rat poison and round-up) is decimating the wildlife..so say the eco scientists. Hype, I think not.

Go to the outdoors pages and read about the use of pesticides..organic or not they have some impact to food web.

Its ok if you choose not to see. I don't think you contribute to the environment significantly anyway.

So continue in bliss, make sure that tin foil hat is on tight to protect you from the anti-marijuana pro-environment news agendas trying to beam there way into your head. With a brain that big, you might need two rolls huh?

minds_I

 

[theJointedOne]

Hello all,

Just was over at a friends and he brokered a 5 pack of light deprived blue dream for 18 this morning. Still needs a cure but a great nose and well trimmed.

OK Brain, have your way. I have not the desire to enter into a pissing match with you.

If you can not see that there is quite a bit of eco-damage associated with cannabis up here in the triangle and elsewhere then you are not looking.

And it is not just cannabis growers...the timber industry has done considerable damage.

Water diversion is epidemic. The use of domestic pesticides (rat poison and round-up) is decimating the wildlife..so say the eco scientists. Hype, I think not.

Go to the outdoors pages and read about the use of pesticides..organic or not they have some impact to food web.

Its ok if you choose not to see. I don't think you contribute to the environment significantly anyway.

So continue in bliss, make sure that tin foil hat is on tight to protect you from the anti-marijuana pro-environment news agendas trying to beam there way into your head. With a brain that big, you might need two rolls huh?

minds_I

Hope you dont mind if i chime in...i just have to say imho most scenes in the triangle or even on the other side of the 5 seem to use non organic ferts and dont have a relationship with the land they are growing on. Im talking about mersh ops on private land. prob 50% could care less about what they put in as long as it allows them to take out, so to speak. And that includes their relationship tot he water too fwiw

that being said the trespass grows are the worst of em all....i cant support that shit on bit.

i do think brain is right though too when he says the media is biased...imo thats been the case forever..

 

[Brain]

The jointed one- you're right...people are cashing in and know little about this plant and organic farming. Seems this way with most agricultural enterprises. Chemicals for both nutrients and pesticide are the easy way for the grower with little knowledge and no willingness to learn to pull off decent weight for as cheap as possible.

http://kymkemp.com/BestManagementPractices/

This is a booklet from a group trying to educate growers out here. It's a start but problem is the people this needs to reach most don't fuckin' read!

Mind I - My problem with the articles is that all growers get lumped into one group with the trespass grows that are doing most of the environmental damage. They are the ones killing fishers, not mom and pop hippies or even the knuckleheads from back east. You are confusing this point with an argument that I am denying these things are happening. I'm not as much as you want to argue with somebody defending or denying these practices. You're not going to find that person so don't twist my words so you can try to win an easy argument. It's complex and not black and white. I'm trying to make a distinction between these 2 groups and defend guys like me who love this plant, feel very blessed to get to grow it in the sun, and are stewards of their land...that they own, love and cherish. I think you may fall into this category so why do you do the same thing these articles are doing by tarnishing the conscience farmers image by grouping us with the knuckleheads? The media is bullshit. I think you know this. Even the side of it that may agree with your beliefs. They sell hype by encouraging outrage. Buying into it makes you part of the problem. The sky is not falling. Just like we have dry years we'll have wet ones again (next year I hope). As far as the knuckleheads go it will get worse before it gets better. I don't have the answer for them but I know spreading sensationalism isn't it. The guys who made that booklet are on the right path though.


Legalization is not going to stop these trespass grows as long as there is a black market and black markets can not be regulated. So where does that leave us? I think the price will continue to drop until it bottoms out around $800/p for high grade greenhouse that rivals indoor pot and continue there for a very long time.

Right now I'm seeing dep as low as 19 and as high as 22 if it'll pass as indoor.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Hello all,

Brain, I am sorry that I have offended your delicate sensibilities.

I must conclude that you are ill informed.



Here is literature for you to consume...this is a real issue. Apply your reading comprehension skills to this material and when you have a premise to stand on the issue... get back to me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/u...forests-and-wildlife.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_21455470/

http://planetsave.com/2012/12/24/ma...-and-destroying-the-environment-studies-find/

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/02/google-earth-tour-marijuana-farms-environment-video


These are but a few on the first page of a google search. However when I search for info on sustainable mj growing in the mountains I come up with little...why is that do you suppose Brain?

Can you show me documentation that the environmental impact of large grows (or even numerous small grows clustered together) is minimal?

In the future, you should try to educate yourself before suggesting that others fuck off...makes you look the fool.

minds_I

I think some of the stories you linked us too are just propaganda. Not that feeding us propaganda is your goal, it is I just don't believe the sources. Just the new form of reefer madness. Plutocrats cashing in on the land conservation political movement. A tactic to divide the "hippy" community. These are the same newspapers that had story after story about cartel grows and it turns out they had zero proof. Just some fat fuck sheriff saw some cans of beans at a grow, and that was all the proof he needed. You know kinda like how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction according to these people.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I am not so sure most people want Sativas, they have a bit of a choice now and most people seem to want the strongest, dankest, Kush around. I know the growers do not give much choice as most growers know that there is more profit in Indica hybrids and few grow late Sativas. I personally agree and prefer Sativas but I know lots of folks that prefer Indica hybrids. Do you really think Sativa's make us smarter? Or that Indica's make us dumber?
I doubt it. I would be a lot smarter if they did....
Oh, unless you were smoking Original Haze in the 70's I doubt your pot in the 70's was sinsemilla Sativa, almost all the imported Sativa's were seeded and it is pretty easy to get something stronger and the high better today, or grow it if you are so motivated, but be honest how many people grow Sativa's under lights? In the 70's I did have sinsemilla Mexican, Columbian, Thai, Kerala, but to be honest they were few and hard to find unless you went to their source countries.
The book Sinsemilla: Marijuana Flowers by Jim Richardson came out in 1977, until then few people knew what seedless Cannabis was or even understood the advantages. This was before people used artificial lights to grow, so they grew outdoors and the variety had to finish before the weather got cold and wet. Not so easy with Sativa's.
-SamS

and I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but indoor type strains with their couchy, boring stones will gradually be replaced by tropical grown strains that produce a much more active and stimulating high......of course there will still be lethargic, sleepy strains to buy, but most people will be smoking pot similar to the highs we smoked in the 70's.

and with this, among other positive changes will be resurgence in innovation, design, the arts etc stimulated by sun grown sativas that will increase our IQ's instead of dumbing us down.

I'm looking forward to the future when cannabis prohibition finally ends worldwide...I think the world will be a better place.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

My gh plants are 15 feet tall, and I have never seen a relationship between smaller size and increased quality. I prefer big plants because the resin is a little bit bigger and I want to see their vitality and vigor potential for seed breeding and making.
Don't you think the central valley is where the bread basket will be? It is for most other crops in Calif.
-SamS

I pretty much agree with you on all fronts but my points still hold. The Sierra foothills wil be the bread basket. 4 pulls a year and only have to blackout 2 of them. The greenhouse herb coming down almost year round won't leave the full sun growers much time to unload. Also besides being protected by the elements the gh plants will be smaller in general further increasing quality towards indoor. The only reason we grow monsters now is too keep our numbers down.