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Twist1's Garden

Twist1

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So I am finally getting around to documenting my current grow. I previously grew one round of AK47 about 10 years ago, but that ended up in the hands of the po po - kinda funny story, but i can't be bothered to tell it right now. I just started growing again about a year ago, and have (for the most part) been self-sufficient ever since!

I would like to start by saying thanks to everyone here for the massive amount of information and inspiration. Without even posting, I read so much in the first few months I was here, and learned so so much. I hope in turn to help some others along the way, as I continue to learn more about how to grow this wonderful plant. It has been a beautiful journey so far.

So I should initially explain that I live in a place where it is very difficult to source many of the types of gardening products that many of you guys take for granted. There are no Hydro stores, and even garden/nursery type stores stock a very limited inventory of products. I am therefore somewhat limited in my options. I am also rather frugal in nature, and take pride in how cheaply/efficiently I can do things. I am also committed to doing as much recycling/repurposing of resources as possible, and keeping my grow as organic as possible - as the situation allows. So far I learned that it is difficult to maintain the organic system if your pots are small - so i have been forced to supplement with feeding salt based fertilisers so far. Since I do not have much space to accommodate large pots, this is kind of inevitable I guess. Where i do feed with ferts I tend to feed on the light side of the scale, and prefer my plants to be a little underfed rather than overfed. No doubt this will be evident from my pictures lol.

Anyway... I started again last year by chucking a few bagseeds into some dirt out on my balcony. I did a few rounds like that, and got some ok smoke. But since I live in the tropics, most of the year plants will go straight into flower without vegging. So, next I built a minifridge setup so that I could veg plants before I put them outside, and subsequently grow bigger plants. The fridge also gave me the added flexibility of being able to bring the plants in on a rainy day etc. The original setup consisted of about 160w of CFLs at the top, and a couple of PC fans at the top for exhaust and air circulation. It worked pretty well and temps remained a degree or 2 above my (rather high) ambient temps.

I have since modded the fridge, but here it is in it's original incarnation.

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Although I loved growing under the tropical sun, it became a little stressful. The balcony is easily accessible from the living room, so I was forced to hide the plants away every time I had a visitor, or at night to avoid exposing them to light. Needless to say this got tiresome very quickly. So I made the decision to move everything inside. I now have a 150w HPS installed in my closet, and my current flowering girls have been moved in there out of the sun.

I intend to properly section-off a portion of the closet soon, but until then the girls seem happy enough in there beside the fridge.

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The fridge is currently operating as a sort of early flowering room, and as you can probably see I decided to go vert with just 2x42w CFLs. This was down from about 160w of CFLs previously.

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The girls currently in flower under the HPS are a mixture of bagseeds - mostly commercial outdoor (the only weed that is available here), but does include 2 special bagseeds gifted to me by a friend visiting from the US. They were flipped to 12/12 about a month ago.

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Apologies for the poor picture quality - I will strive to improve this for future posts!

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So far everything I have grown has been bagseed. I think this is a great way to start off, and I would not change it. I do start to yearn for some good genetics to work with, and a plan has been hatched for how to get the seeds over here. Until then I will keep searching through bagseeds to find keepers. So far I have only found one, but i think there might be another one or two in this current run.

Thanks for taking a look. Peace.
 

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Twist1

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I have since made a little veg box for clones etc out of an old Breville Juicer box.

It is super simple. I just fitted a 120mm PC fan at the top, made some holes at the bottom for intakes, and hang a single 42w CFL vertically in the centre. The heat is very manageable, and I get a kick out of using such an energy efficient veg solution.

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Currently inside I have 2 reveg's (clones of a bagseed that I call "OG1", for no reason other than that it was the keeper from my original bagseed run last year). Also currently in there is a bagseed clone gifted from a friend (will become a Mom), a Dad, and 5 clones (one each of the plants currently in flower... minus one).

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I am constantly humbled by so many of you guys and your beautiful plant pictures that you post here. Mine, as you can see, are a little bit rough around the edges, but they do still provide me with pretty high quality smoke (way way better than anything I have ever found to buy around here). Of course they can be improved, and I look forward to honing my skills as I progress and learn from all of you skilled growers here. But it will be in my own way. I do not subscribe to the idea of buying lots of fancy potions and growth stimulators etc etc for my plants - even if it were possible to do so. I like to keep it pretty simple.

Cheers
 

Twist1

Active member
I forgot to mention that I mix and recycle my own soil - from ingredients available to me here.

I use a base of Sunshine mix #4, to which i add...
plenty of good homemade compost,
a good serving of Earthworm castings,
composted horse manure,
bat guano collected from a local cave,
locally sourced coco fibres (for increased drainage),
ground local seaweed
top soil etc

My mix is always measured quite roughly, and it differs slightly every time, depending on what i have available at that time. I am always looking to improve it by cheaply adding to my ingredients list as I go along, from locally sourced items. This might seem very "ghetto" to some of you guys, but i quite like it that way :) I would love to add Alfalfa, but I have yet to find any locally. I did find Alfalfa seeds (so that I could grow my own), but have been struggling to get them to germinate reliably.

I normally start my seeds/clones in polystyrene cups, and transplant within a few weeks to home made 1l square pots (cutoff yoghurt bottles). Before flowering I normally transplant to 1/2gallon or 1gallon pots. I recently acquired some 2gallon smart-pot equivalents (cheaper copies), and I can't wait to start using them next run. I think the extra rootspace is gonna make my life so much easier - with less ferting needed... Hopefully more organic and less salt-ferted :dance013:

Peace
 

Twist1

Active member
Big thanks for the support so far guys - It really encourages me to know that some of the cats that I really look-up-to are interested in what I am doing, and sending good vibes this way.

Boom Shankar to all you guys - may your ladies be frosty and stanky :ying:
 

Twist1

Active member
Time for some more pictures cos I know u guys all like a bit of bud porn ;)

So as I said earlier - all my plants so far have been started from commercial outdoor bagseed (needs must). That said, I was recently gifted a couple of "special" bagseeds that came from the US, and were reported to be the dank diggity. Unfortunately they had been mixed up with some other seeds, and so their actual identity is not known. They are clearly in a different league to the bagseed from around here, and are maturing much faster then their local cousins. They seem to be more Indica leaning, and seem hungrier too.

Here is the first of the special girls "J3"

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And here's a close up of one of her buds

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Here's a (very bad) top-shot of her sexy sister "J2"

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And a close up of one of her buds - probably the pick of the buds so far

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These girls are 31days since flip.

Peace
 

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Twist1

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And here is the best of the rest - Miss "C10". Although nothing special to look at, she has by far the nicest bouquet so far - really looking forward to spending some "quality time" with her in a month or 2

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And some of her buds

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It seems she is not quite as happy as the Js at the moment. They are all getting the same feed (cos I am lazy) and it seems like the Js are enjoying it much better than her atm. I guess I will try and pull back a bit on her for a while and see what happens.

My plants all stretched outrageously earlier in their life - mainly because I did not have a proper space set up for them. They were spending some time out on the balcony, some time indoors, but were definitely not getting a full day of sunlight, and some of the node spaces became ridiculous. For the most part they have ceased stretching now (save for one that looks really Sativa-leaning that is making long running colas).

Thanks for looking :peacock:
 

Twist1

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I'll take a seat here, looks like a fun grow. I'll be anxious to see what you pull outta that lil' fridge.

Thanks Kindest :)

TBH the fridge is unlikely to see any plants all the way through flower. I like CFLs, but I am under no illusions as to their effectiveness in flowering - yes you can flower with them, but it is hard work. You have to keep the plants so damn close the whole time! So my fridge is now being used like an early flower room - allowing me to start the next round a little earlier. As soon as space becomes available under the HPS then I will move something out from the fridge and under the HPS.

The plants currently in the minifridge are a motley crew tbh

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The 2 at the front look too sativa-leaning for me to want to continue with them (In fact I nearly threw them away a month ago - deciding to top them back down to the 2nd node and throw them out on the balcony instead). At the back to the right is a plant that once seemed promising, but now appears to be having gender issues. Back left just seems slow to start throwing her lady parts around.

I am considering just scrapping all 4 of them actually - I think as soon as I have 4 clones ready I will just scrap them and start again.

Peace
 

Twist1

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Sweet!! keep up the great work and documentation.
Girls look hungry but good!!

Thanks for the support Buddle :)

TBH feeding is not my strongpoint. I am open to advice about this as I need to learn.

I would prefer to have them in much larger pots (4x volume) so that they can get most of their food from the soil, but that was not possible this time round. At the moment I am feeding with something very similar to this http://www.sunshinegardensfl.com/servlet/the-331/PLANT-STARTER--Best/Detail
I had issues in my past grows that seemed to be from too much N in mid/late flower, so I am trying to learn from this. For sure I have not quite nailed the feeding yet tho.

Cheers
 

Cabinet Ninja

Member
Veteran
Really love what you've got going Twist1, especially the locally sourced soil mix :)!!

From my experience, and from looking at your pictures you could easily double the strength that your feeding your girls.
If the very very leaf tips are a little brown then you're at the upper limit of feeding. If the brown spreads further down the leaf that's when you're over feeding.
During flowering you could drop thing down a good bit, but you ideally only want them this pale during the last 2 weeks of flowering.

Keep up the good work though brother, self sustained growing is where it's at :)!
 

Twist1

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Hey Cabinet Ninja thanks for stopping by man. I have really enjoyed following all your grows so far - thanks a lot for the support :)

I actually did start upping my feeding recently but I guess I pushed it too far too soon...

...So a friend of mine cam by with his ppm meter and we did a few tests; discovered that I was feeding <1EC and the runoff was about the same <1EC. So afterwards I bumped up the next feed to ~1.1EC. I fed with a very high P fertiliser 12-48-8 as I am trying to get them to really fatten up in the next weeks. Does this ratio sound ok for mid flower? It is actually sold as a plant starter fert, but i thought maybe the extra P might give me a boost in flowering.

Anyway that was a few days ago, and it seems like the J-sisters quite enjoyed the fert boost, whilst the lower quality outdoor bagseeds seemed to find it a little too much. Their top leaves went a really dark green colour, and they started to twist and turn downwards. It looks like overfert to me. I will take some pics asap to show what I mean.

But yeah... Organic Soil is the way forward. I can't wait til I get to use my new 2g airy-pots and I have to stress less about hungry plants the whole time. :watchplant:

Peace
 

Twist1

Active member
Ok so here are some pics of the girls today. These are by far the largest plants I have grown in such small pots and I am finding it a little tricky to keep them all happy...

This is a pic of one of the crappy bagseeds - the newest top leaves are dark green and curl downwards

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And this other crappy plant looks the same

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C10 looks the worst of them all, with a general pale green appearance, yet the same overferted-looking top leaves (she does look kinda frosty tho)

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However J2 just seems to be loving the fert regime right now.

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Anyway I am not overly concerned about this since the only plants that seem to have any real quality to them are the Js, and both of them are thriving. I guess you can't please everyone.

The others are just commercial outdoor bagseeds, and probably not at all suited to this type of grow. you can tell that I was getting to the bottom of my bagseed collection this time round eh?!? In fairness, C10 does look frosty and smell amazing, but she does not look like she will yield much, and just generally seems moody. I am always keen to learn more about the plants tho... can anyone tell which particular nutrient they might seem to have an excess of right now? Nitrogen perhaps?

Anyway since I noticed some of the girls looking unhappy 2 days ago - I have been flushing with pure rainwater. I keep forgetting to test the ph of the runoff, I will do this tomo.

Cheers
 

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Kindest

Member
You mentioned you've been flushing with pure rain water... Have you considered these are over-watered? Sometimes lights and air movers will deceivably dry out your top 1-2" but you've got feel down deeper to determine the true need for watering.

You're still bringing the frost, nothing that can't be undone. Looking good. Just my $.02.
 

Twist1

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You mentioned you've been flushing with pure rain water... Have you considered these are over-watered? Sometimes lights and air movers will deceivably dry out your top 1-2" but you've got feel down deeper to determine the true need for watering.

Hmmm I did flush two days in a row so it is possible... when I normally only water them once every 2 days... but on the whole I think I normally get the watering about right - I learned to gauge it by the weight of the pots (just one of the many things I learned here at ICMag).

Cheers for the input kindest - really living up to your name right now buddy :) I'm passing you the pipe :smoke:
 

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