defoliating indoor gardens to increase yeild?
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greenmatter
type "defoliation" into the title search .......... there's a page or two too read
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otis33
There have been a few threads on this topic and the always end up with both sides arguing the other is wrong and dr. fever letting you know that he is awesome at what he does and if you defoliate you are a retard. I suggest you do a side by side and see what works for you because results are strain dependent and what works for some does not work for all. I have found that deflating did not increase our decrease yield, but it did decrease, and sometimes eliminate larf, and makes trimming easier.
nachoconqueso
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omg the defoliation thread...what a mess that was
Femora
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When it comes to defoil I trust 100% on DHF.
He state that defoil is something good, and will increase the yield and lower the time u have to spend trimming later, but its all about doing it right...
Start defoil when stretch is fully complete (40% of flowertime),
Dont pluck all leafs in one sitting.. Take a few every day and aim to be done in 7-10 days.
Take everything with a stem, leave the fans inside the buds..
Its all about dial the strains.. (It seems like kush;s like the defoil better then other strains. Or.. They wont stress out as easy as other strains..)
But no.. Any proof is yet to be seen.. Have you tried the side-by-side section on icmag?
Anyway; i belive some strains will benefit, and other wont care... And only a few might dislike it. This is when youve dialed in the strains! First time will be a mess anyway ;p
He state that defoil is something good, and will increase the yield and lower the time u have to spend trimming later, but its all about doing it right...
Start defoil when stretch is fully complete (40% of flowertime),
Dont pluck all leafs in one sitting.. Take a few every day and aim to be done in 7-10 days.
Take everything with a stem, leave the fans inside the buds..
Its all about dial the strains.. (It seems like kush;s like the defoil better then other strains. Or.. They wont stress out as easy as other strains..)
But no.. Any proof is yet to be seen.. Have you tried the side-by-side section on icmag?
Anyway; i belive some strains will benefit, and other wont care... And only a few might dislike it. This is when youve dialed in the strains! First time will be a mess anyway ;p
IDK IVE QUESTIONED THIS MYSELF AS WELL.. I TEND TO ONLY REMOVE THE LOWER LEAF GROWTH TO PREVENT ENERGY BEING WASTED ON THE AIRY POP CORN NUGS AND LOWER FANS REACHING FOR LIGHT....
BUT I SEE ALOT OF GROWERS THAT POST PICS OF THEIR PLANTS AND ITS MOSTLY JUST BIG DENSE BUD(S) ON THE MAIN COLAS.. STRIPPED DOWN AND ONLY VERY FEW LEAF TIPS REMAIN POKING OUT OF THE BUD
BUT I SEE ALOT OF GROWERS THAT POST PICS OF THEIR PLANTS AND ITS MOSTLY JUST BIG DENSE BUD(S) ON THE MAIN COLAS.. STRIPPED DOWN AND ONLY VERY FEW LEAF TIPS REMAIN POKING OUT OF THE BUD
Ouch...my ears hurt with all that yelling....lol. TURN OFF THE CAPS LOCK!
Laser_Face
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haha @ eclipse
ok,, back to the thread... i see alot of the high yield growers stripping their plants down to next to no leaf left so this argument can go either way.. just try to see what works best for u
a side by side will really give you the answer you are looking for
but then again that answer will only pertain to that specific strain and your growing conditions
a side by side will really give you the answer you are looking for
but then again that answer will only pertain to that specific strain and your growing conditions
growhi
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its pointless unless you have 2 separate grow area's , as the time it slows your plants down its a false economy, plants are 2 or 3 weeks behind because they have been stressed !
i also find the end product to be noticeably less dense , if your a one room man like me.......... (well room and a small mother tent) .................................... its a none starter imo
you add those extra 3 weeks up from every grow ................... thats a hole other batch a year
i also find the end product to be noticeably less dense , if your a one room man like me.......... (well room and a small mother tent) .................................... its a none starter imo
you add those extra 3 weeks up from every grow ................... thats a hole other batch a year
It works. I do it all the time. Some strains need to have it done or else all I would have is the top to a main cola and the rest would be larf. The snocap la I have is a perfect example of why it needs to be done. I will snag some pics later to show ya's what I mean.
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Alone
I always defoilate all the bottoms of each branch were the popcorn grows, and the light doesnt reach in there very well. This eliminates flarffy buds that zap the energy away from the big, main colas. I continue to take off anything that wont produce anything worthy through the 10-14 days of transition.
I have a thick canopy as each plant has 10 tops.
I have a thick canopy as each plant has 10 tops.
When a herbivore (leaf cruncher) attacks a plant--the plant's responds by either resisting or tolerating the attack, and damaged leaves "defoliate" naturally. So...it seems that "defoliation" is part of nature.
Science has concluded that healthy plants will usually respond to defoliation" with: re-growth, elevated photosynthesis, increased branching, production of new leaf and reallocation of nutrients. Those are the things I want my plant to do...hence I defoliate around 25-50% of the fan leaves--starting with babies and continue through harvest.
"Resistance involves the reduction of the amount of herbivore damage whereas tolerance leads to a reduction of the impact of herbivory on plant fitness (Rausher et al., 1993; Stowe et al., 2000). Resistance traits include mechanical and chemical characters that reduce herbivore performance (antibiosis) or preference (antixenosis). Conversely, proposed mechanisms for tolerance/compensation are re-growth stimulation, elevated rates of photosynthesis in remaining leaves of partially defoliated plants, increased branching through the release of apical dominance, alteration of phenology or plant architecture, production of new leaf area, utilization of high pre-herbivory stored carbon resources or the ability to reallocate them to less vulnerable tissues, resorption of nutrients from senescent/damaged leaves, especially nitrogen (N) and phosphorus (P), alteration of the external light environment and higher reproductive efficiency through increased percentage of fruit set (Mabry & Wayne, 1997; Hjalten et al., 1993; Strauss & Agrawal, 1999; Hochwender et al., 2000; Tiffin, 2000; Anten et al., 2003;Silla & Escudero, 2003; Leimu & Koricheva, 2006; Schwachtje et al., 2006.
Source: Section 4.2--http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/29428/InTech-Friend_or_foe_exploring_the_factors_that_determine_the_difference_between_positive_and_negative_effects_on_photosynthesis_in_response_to_insect_herbivory.pdf
Cheers!
Science has concluded that healthy plants will usually respond to defoliation" with: re-growth, elevated photosynthesis, increased branching, production of new leaf and reallocation of nutrients. Those are the things I want my plant to do...hence I defoliate around 25-50% of the fan leaves--starting with babies and continue through harvest.
"Resistance involves the reduction of the amount of herbivore damage whereas tolerance leads to a reduction of the impact of herbivory on plant fitness (Rausher et al., 1993; Stowe et al., 2000). Resistance traits include mechanical and chemical characters that reduce herbivore performance (antibiosis) or preference (antixenosis). Conversely, proposed mechanisms for tolerance/compensation are re-growth stimulation, elevated rates of photosynthesis in remaining leaves of partially defoliated plants, increased branching through the release of apical dominance, alteration of phenology or plant architecture, production of new leaf area, utilization of high pre-herbivory stored carbon resources or the ability to reallocate them to less vulnerable tissues, resorption of nutrients from senescent/damaged leaves, especially nitrogen (N) and phosphorus (P), alteration of the external light environment and higher reproductive efficiency through increased percentage of fruit set (Mabry & Wayne, 1997; Hjalten et al., 1993; Strauss & Agrawal, 1999; Hochwender et al., 2000; Tiffin, 2000; Anten et al., 2003;Silla & Escudero, 2003; Leimu & Koricheva, 2006; Schwachtje et al., 2006.
Source: Section 4.2--http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/29428/InTech-Friend_or_foe_exploring_the_factors_that_determine_the_difference_between_positive_and_negative_effects_on_photosynthesis_in_response_to_insect_herbivory.pdf
Cheers!
