Also, does the damage ever show little white specs like spider mites or any damage from them eating? I have not seen a single spec like spider mites since I got rid of the spider mites.....
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Broad Mites?
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Also, does the damage ever show little white specs like spider mites or any damage from them eating? I have not seen a single spec like spider mites since I got rid of the spider mites.....
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No, broads / cycs shouldn't cause visible feeding marks because they're too small, the symptoms we see are a result of the toxins they inject into the plant while feeding.
Discoloration and spotting can result, but it manifests in forms more similar to nutrient burns, rather than the pattern of bites that spiders produce.
Discoloration and spotting can result, but it manifests in forms more similar to nutrient burns, rather than the pattern of bites that spiders produce.
TMV or Tarsonemid mites?
TMV or Tarsonemid mites?
Interesting page about broad mites from Progressive Options:
There has been a fluctuation of posts regarding “TMV/Virus/Disease” related issues hitting various cannabis cultivation forums in 2011.
Although this was a new problem to Southern California, this issue has been commonly occurring in Northern California and other parts.
The issues initially started in late 2009 where a large amount of forum subscribers on” ICMAG” and other dominant forums began posting a new plant “virus” they couldn’t deal with. These so called “Virus” scares commonly turned out to be “Broad Mites”. As this was a new issue at the time, we’ve collected an extensive amount of information and thought we’d share it with our members and patients.
Many of these signs are being associated with TMV/CMV (Tobacco/Cucumber Mosaic Virus), we personally warn against this train of thought due to the lack of respected sources (i.e. reputable scientifically thorough organizations). None have stated discovery that TMV/CMV exists in Cannabis Plants, we went forth and studied “Infected plants” brought to us by members and found results that state similarly, no TMV/CMV has been discovered, at least not in the plants individuals assumed were infected. From the tests we, and our personal friends conducted (with a scientific approach / tools) no signs leaning towards TMV were found, only a variety of mites and nutrient / genetic related issues.
Source: EXAMINING BROAD MITES:
http://pogenetics.com/?page_id=389
TMV or Tarsonemid mites?
Interesting page about broad mites from Progressive Options:
There has been a fluctuation of posts regarding “TMV/Virus/Disease” related issues hitting various cannabis cultivation forums in 2011.
Although this was a new problem to Southern California, this issue has been commonly occurring in Northern California and other parts.
The issues initially started in late 2009 where a large amount of forum subscribers on” ICMAG” and other dominant forums began posting a new plant “virus” they couldn’t deal with. These so called “Virus” scares commonly turned out to be “Broad Mites”. As this was a new issue at the time, we’ve collected an extensive amount of information and thought we’d share it with our members and patients.
Many of these signs are being associated with TMV/CMV (Tobacco/Cucumber Mosaic Virus), we personally warn against this train of thought due to the lack of respected sources (i.e. reputable scientifically thorough organizations). None have stated discovery that TMV/CMV exists in Cannabis Plants, we went forth and studied “Infected plants” brought to us by members and found results that state similarly, no TMV/CMV has been discovered, at least not in the plants individuals assumed were infected. From the tests we, and our personal friends conducted (with a scientific approach / tools) no signs leaning towards TMV were found, only a variety of mites and nutrient / genetic related issues.
Source: EXAMINING BROAD MITES:
http://pogenetics.com/?page_id=389
PO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PASSING BROADMITES ALONG WITH THERE SOCAL / SAN DIEGO VENDORS! FACT!
true dat.
Could very well be BM damage, but the only person who can tell is you. We can't tell for sure by pictures. !00X Radio Shack scope is plenty powerful enough to see eggs & mites. I have used one. The eggs are easier to see than the Mites, as the mites hide very well. Eggs will be easy to see. Cut some "damaged" leaves off, and examine the undersides under the 100X scope. You will plainly see plenty of eggs if you have mites. You should not do any treatment until you are certain of what you are treating for. This is not a guessing game. Use a bright LED flashlight when you are examining the leaves. It makes it much easier to see the eggs. Once you know that you have them, then begin treatment. By the way, that is NOT heat damage. Early BM damage does look like some of your photos. I've some of the identical symptoms in my gallery from Cyclamens.
If you have off gassing issues, removing plant from room will show improvement. Just move and put under flourescents and they will improve right away (within a few days). Damage from the toxins the mites inject can linger, so don't expect them to clear up immediately. But you must scope & confirm first.
You couldn't be more mistaken about that. 120F will not harm plants at all. This has been confirmed by MANY people besides myself. Plants are occasionally exposed to temperatures this high in nature for prolonged periods, and they survive. Think Santa Ana winds.
Plants, even in flower will survive temps that high and higher for brief periods, but mites won't.
Obviously you haven't tried it, or you wouldn't be posting disinformation.
Agree about the pesticides though.
Someone way back in the thread claims to have used CO2 successfully, along with heat treatment. Try search, you might find it. It's probably 50 pages back.
Again, have to emphasize, you can confirm only by scoping. Eggs under affected leaves are easy to see with a 100X scope. Use a bright LED light to examine. You will see eggs if you have them. There will be lots of them.
Predators
Predators
Broad Mite (aka Thread Footed Mites) / Cyclamen Mite:
Adults, Nymphs, Larvae and Eggs
Predators
Broad Mite (aka Thread Footed Mites) / Cyclamen Mite:
Adults, Nymphs, Larvae and Eggs
And who doesn't know this at this point?
The page they have up is because of the BM's they were passing out with their clones.
And why are you shouting at me?
I am here to help and share knowledge, stop with your ALL CAPS please.
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Here is the pic you posted blown up 3 times :
I see an adult, larvae and eggs.
But what do I know?
If I were you I would treat quickly, before everything is lost.
Good luck
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Here is the pic you posted blown up 3 times :
I see an adult, larvae and eggs.
But what do I know?
If I were you I would treat quickly, before everything is lost.
Good luck
eggs
eggs
Pictures of the Eggs:
Hatched / Open Cylamen eggs:
Above image: Cyclamen mite larvae hatching.
eggs
Pictures of the Eggs:
Hatched / Open Cylamen eggs:
Above image: Cyclamen mite larvae hatching.
when it comes to the heat treatment, how long do you need to leave the fans off? i got some thrips showing up in week 3 of 12/12 am thinking of just using heat to fuck em up. with my vents off and lights on it will go to 40 degrees or 104 in no time, so how hot do i need it to be and for how long.
120f 1 hour no fans. space heaters without a hightemp cutoff are often necessary.
thermometers in a few areas helps, ya don't want some 105f spots where they could hunker down and survive.
I went to BPG in Berkeley today to try to grab some new clones.
Grabbed 5 of them, and brought them home.
Put a 60x scope on them and found eggs, tons of them.
Brought them back to BPG, they called me to the side and I told them what I found. They gave me a slightly hard time at first, but then took the clones into a back room.
They came out 10 minutes later, said they scoped them, apologized profusely, told me they would contact the clone vendor.
Gave me my money back and offered me 20% any future orders.
I went to BPG because the last time I went to Harborside I found eggs and bugs on DHN's Alien OG, Harlequin and Fire OG cuts
Thought you all should know.
Grabbed 5 of them, and brought them home.
Put a 60x scope on them and found eggs, tons of them.
Brought them back to BPG, they called me to the side and I told them what I found. They gave me a slightly hard time at first, but then took the clones into a back room.
They came out 10 minutes later, said they scoped them, apologized profusely, told me they would contact the clone vendor.
Gave me my money back and offered me 20% any future orders.
I went to BPG because the last time I went to Harborside I found eggs and bugs on DHN's Alien OG, Harlequin and Fire OG cuts
Thought you all should know.
Not a surprise. These clowns should be scoping their clones BEFORE letting them on their premises and reselling them. This is how the epidemic became so widespread. When you go clone shopping, you need to bring a scope with you. If enough people came in with scopes, maybe they would get the message and stop selling this garbage and destroying people's grows. I'm betting they put those right back on sale, and that every clone in their place is infected. If they were on some clones, you can bet they are all over that place.
The dispensaries are at fault here. It's not that difficult to scope clones. Dispensaries selling infected cuts should be outed in a very public manner in a way that would have a negative impact on their business.
Everyone should be made aware that dispensary XYZ is selling infected cuts. We need clone inspectors. I think you can get BMs just walking into those places.
That's for mites, which are heat sensitive. He is talking about thrips, which could be a whole new ballgame. I've no experience with thrips.
Cut off some "damaged" leaves first and scope them. You should see eggs if you have BMs, but don't neglect the new growth either. You just have to get used to scoping frequently nowadays. It's a pain in the ass, but the only way to know what you are dealing with. I would be scoping daily. Make it part of your routine. Usually leaves showing damage will have eggs.
Don't know how/if heat affects thrips. Mites are heat sensitive, and heat is the traditional way of killing them.
Thrips may be a whole different story.
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