Correct. If your coco is "waterlogged", you are using coco that has been reused and broken down. You will not get "waterlogged" with quality, fresh coco.
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Correct. If your coco is "waterlogged", you are using coco that has been reused and broken down. You will not get "waterlogged" with quality, fresh coco.
grassott's dad
Member
Haha! I don't know how many hb's you've grown in but we've grown plenty. I know you're a smart pot coco man and if daily watering work for you then great.
Seeing as you're new to hb's all I'm saying is that it's best to follow hempy's instructions. If you wanna water with drip rings or pumps or what ever and treat your hb's like a full on hydro system because you think I talk crap then that's ok too lol.
All I did was share my experience with the daily watering of a hb in a 1gal bucket, from early veg til harvest, as suggested by retro (minus the drip rings). You can call it a load of crap though, who cares?
I don't blame you and sorry if I made it sound like that. I told a grow buddy to try the daily watering til run off as you suggested and we never got no hydro roots at all. I don't know how he could have done something wrong with following a simple instruction.
If you xplant a rooted clone in it's final hb and water til run off before the roots are developed, you're not gonna get hydro roots IME. The coco will remain saturated to fuck because there aint no developed roots yet to suck up the coco. A perfect breeding ground for bugs, mold and in some cases root rot.
Also, I never said anything about anyone getting root rot. Someone said they seen loads of cases of bugs/rot in coco and I agree with him.
The majority of big plants I've seen grown in coco on this forum are plants that were not watered everyday.
SmokeDaima
New member
Can you do a continuous feed in coco with either dtw or recirculating? Doesn't have to be a hempy bucket, but maybe just a regular pot with drain holes at the bottom. If it can be watered continuously, its true that you can't water too much in coco. A reason people can run into root problems is if their coco doesn't dry out like it should and remains wet, they will just leave the pot because theres "no point in watering" since the coco is already wet as can be. This stale water in the coco can drown/ suffocate the roots thus becoming "waterlogged" and you will have root rot.
GD:
First, you said:
" A perfect breeding ground for bugs, mold and in some cases root rot."
In the very next sentence, you wrote:
"Also, I never said anything about anyone getting root rot."
And in the next sentence:
"Someone said they seen loads of cases of bugs/rot in coco and I agree with him."
So you are contradicting yourself in your own post, one sentence after another. Try to get your story straight.
First, you said:
" A perfect breeding ground for bugs, mold and in some cases root rot."
In the very next sentence, you wrote:
"Also, I never said anything about anyone getting root rot."
And in the next sentence:
"Someone said they seen loads of cases of bugs/rot in coco and I agree with him."
So you are contradicting yourself in your own post, one sentence after another. Try to get your story straight.
Lots of folks use drip systems in coco. Dansbuds is doing it. The rest of your post doesn't make much sense to me. If plant is healthy and is drinking, you will have no problems. If plant is not healthy, and is not drinking, as in the case of root aphids, then you will run into problems. Otherwise, in a two gallon bucket, a mature plant will be drinking plenty, and will suck most of the moisture out of that pot pretty quickly.
Fresh rez=fresh oxygen=explosive growth.
Same as in any "traditional" hydro system.
SmokeDaima
New member
Well I have healthy plants just put in a room with the temps at about 70 and rh at 60%. 24 hours after watering them, the pots are still wet and only takes a little watering to get runoff. Will I get any root rot problems if I keep watering them everyday? They are about a foot tall in 2 and 3 gallon pots with only coco. Not hempy buckets.
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noyd666
your root system is probably not big enough to drink it up yet, let em dry out a bit, you can tell when pots are getting down just by lifting them or just a push when you get used to it. mine are in dtw 11lt containers, not hempys, they are three foot tall and getting about one to two litres a day at moment 3 days into 12/12 not draining much. ran 40 hempys and did not run much out of them, no troubles at all. everybodys different.
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noyd666
I think the guy is dalihempy under a different name... he's totally possesed with 'do it like hempy or you're wrong.'... jesus... are we not allowed to try new things? I don't give a rip what you call it, it's a bucket with a hole in it and you grow 'produce' in it. Let's call it 'passive hydro buckets'... hempy did NOT develop this method of growing... he just introduced it to icmag and named it after himself. I'm a little confused by GD.. sometimes he's the leading authority on tellin people how to follow the great hempy's directions... then he sez that he doesn't grow himself, but is talking about his 'mates' grow, but doling out 'advice' and making claims about his grow... I think he's a pretender that's found a place to hang out and give 'advice' on stuff he's not even doing.. I haven't wasted my time to check, but i'd be willing to bet that he only posts in the 'hempy' forums.. I'm sure this is enough pot stirring for now...
mgk
I think the guy is dalihempy under a different name... he's totally possesed with 'do it like hempy or you're wrong.'... jesus... are we not allowed to try new things? I don't give a rip what you call it, it's a bucket with a hole in it and you grow 'produce' in it. Let's call it 'passive hydro buckets'... hempy did NOT develop this method of growing... he just introduced it to icmag and named it after himself. I'm a little confused by GD.. sometimes he's the leading authority on tellin people how to follow the great hempy's directions... then he sez that he doesn't grow himself, but is talking about his 'mates' grow, but doling out 'advice' and making claims about his grow... I think he's a pretender that's found a place to hang out and give 'advice' on stuff he's not even doing.. I haven't wasted my time to check, but i'd be willing to bet that he only posts in the 'hempy' forums.. I'm sure this is enough pot stirring for now...
mgk
GD definitely not Hempy! Hempy is a righteous dude, and has his own unique way of talking/posting. GD is just talking sheet. He doesn't even make sense. Hempy is an old timer. He is the man. And, he's not dogmatic. You have to read some of his stuff twice to understand clearly what he is saying, but he does make sense. He's been posting on these boards for many years. He also posts on Shanti Baba's board, and I do believe he "invented" Hempy buckets. He was the first person to come up with that idea, and it's genius is it's simplicity. He's been pulling 12-13 or more ounces out of a 2 gallon bucket, so that's hard to beat. He's been posting/writing longer than GD's been breathing, IMO.
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noyd666
HEMPY IS THE MAN FOR SURE, did read a long article years ago about some women doctor? who designed dif ways of growing food for poor countrys, to cut it short the hempy type container style came out theWINNER.
Ive grown coco in hempies for years now easiest way to grow and by far my best harvests.
I use canna coco pro plus with 3" of hydroton clay pebbles in the bottom just past the drainage/run off hole.
I use Vitalink coco specific nutes throughout my grows and not once have i ever had a deficiency or overferting.
I have never had root rot and ive watered auto on drippers and handwatered but i can water daily until runoff and not have any issues with rot mainly due to the fact the clay pebbles hold some air and its replenished when i water until run off.
I just dont understand perlite in hempys tbh.
Btw i grow in about 8 litre buckets.
Just my tuppence.
JFC
I use canna coco pro plus with 3" of hydroton clay pebbles in the bottom just past the drainage/run off hole.
I use Vitalink coco specific nutes throughout my grows and not once have i ever had a deficiency or overferting.
I have never had root rot and ive watered auto on drippers and handwatered but i can water daily until runoff and not have any issues with rot mainly due to the fact the clay pebbles hold some air and its replenished when i water until run off.
I just dont understand perlite in hempys tbh.
Btw i grow in about 8 litre buckets.
Just my tuppence.
JFC
grassott's dad
Member
I'm not even gonna bother reply to your lil sidekick because he's just a hempy troll who don't deserve any advice on his grow method and it's disrespectful people like him that make great growers like hempy stop posting IMO (I'm glad you quoted him though. Saves me doing it lol. Thanks).
That aside though retro, if I confuse you then let me explain. I don't grow at my house anymore (due to let's say, personal reasons). I do know other growers though and my best mate who I've known for donkeys years grows in hb's. I go to his house often and I treat his grow as if it were my own. He used to let me post HIS pics on this forum but told me to take them down recently.
It was HIS grow that we tried the daily waterings on. He never got root rot but his canna coco pro remained mushy throughout most of the grow and after harvest HIS roots was under developed (no root rot), compared to the other hb that was in HIS grow at that time. It was HIS grow that we seen the little white crawly things living it up in wet coco in a small, see thru cup whilst rooting clones (but its ok though, the clones survived and the plants turned out healthy). It was HIS grow that I've seen mold on HIS canna pro coco (but again it's cool, a few drops of neem oil cleared it up for us, whoops, I mean HIM). I've never blamed these things on your drip rings or daily waterings though I do believe that if coco remains too wet in cold/high RH conditions then these things could happen in any medium (including coco).
Regarding the rot/bug thing, have you not seen root rot or bugs before in coco (or any other medium) on this or any other forum? Do a search on this forum then you'll be able to see what I and plenty of others have seen.
That's all I got to say on the matter now and if you're still confused or think I'm talking sheet then fine so be it. I don't think I can explain it any clearer.
Me? Hempy? God dam there's some shit stirrin trolls on icmag these days
Hempys Have taken over the outdoor vegtable gardens in alot of countrys in the last few years !!! they go by the name SIP buckets (sub irrigated planters ) . most people do them in 15 to 20 gallon totes .... but i've seen numerous containers being used .
But retro ..... they're NOT called Hempys .... cuz the premise has changed .... my previous point !
Born Loser
Member
At what precise moment does it cease to be a hempy bucket? When you water every 2 days? 1 1/2?
If I buy a spaghetti colander labeled as such, and wear it as a hat, is it no longer a spaghetti colander?
Any suggestions for a new name? Mono-side-holey pail? Its easier to say hempy.
If I buy a spaghetti colander labeled as such, and wear it as a hat, is it no longer a spaghetti colander?
Any suggestions for a new name? Mono-side-holey pail? Its easier to say hempy.
Hempy buckets are a hydro system, so you are in the wrong thread. You're talking straight coco in "regular" pots. Follow Noid's advice, and read up in the coco threads. As long as you have drainage, you shouldn't get root rot anyway, but might as well play it safe. As the plants get bigger, then you can increase watering frequency which increases oxygenation. Coco is high in oxygen content compared to other mediums. That's one of the things that makes it so nice. Most people say that you can't over water coco, and I agree, although there are some who will argue that point. I think it depends on the coco, and whether or not it is fresh or re-used. Coco can be re-used, but will break down after awhile and lose it's oxygen retention properties, in which case root rot could be a possibility. I prefer to use fresh coco every run, and get the full oxygen retention. Drippers give a constant supply of fresh water/oxygen, and gives explosive growth rate. It's all about the oxygen. "Extra" water only runs off anyway, so it's never been an issue for me.
If its auto fed like mine ..... how about ya call it what it is ..... a coco dtw bucket !!!
coco dtw can have any type container as long as it has a hole for the water to drain off . you could have a 3' x 3' smart pot in a 3 x 3 tray & its still DTW even though its considered a bed . DTW !!!!!
You seem to be looking for an argument. You, or others, can call them anything you want. That doesn't confront me. A rose by any other name is still a rose, and to me, a Hempy bucket by any other name is still a Hempy bucket. The only shame is that Hempy never got a patent for his idea, so imitators are hanging other names on them and trying to take credit for Hempy's idea. He freely shared his idea with the community without thought of personal profit, so for that he should be commended. I'm just glad he thought of it and thank him for that.
You're talking, apparently about root aphids, which cause plants to stop drinking and also root rot. Other than that, the rest of your post is second hand BS as far as I'm concerned. I'm not here to argue with you, and don't really care to know about the second hand details of "your friend's" grow. You've already contradicted yourself in previous post, and in doing so lost credibility with me, so let's just leave it at that. I don't really have the time to worry about "your friend's" grow.
grassott's dad
Member
Is that right ya cheeky bastid? I don't have time for your drip rings either so stick em up ur arse yeah?
DB I wouldn't bother with this ass hat if I were you man coz he's only gonna give you grey hairs.
