King of fusarian, Prince of pythium

[Hash Man]

Sorry a out the sideways picture. It's all I have right now and it keeps uploading sideways. Every year I get nailed by rootbourne pathogens. So far I have 2 plants affected. I have been applying mycostop. I am planning to do a foliar of fish erythromycin @200 mg in one gallon. I think my water must be the source of these issues, because I always lose plants to wilt every year.

This kosher kush pic was taken a couple says ago. Rapidly yellowing leaves and overall slouch are worrying me, so this plant has been treated with mycostop and will be hit with the foliar tomorrow as well.

Any suggestions, comments are welcome.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

I've never had fusarium issues with large plants, only seedlings. I water with a mild chamomile tea.

 

[ozzieAI]

are you 100% sure on this?

i have seen plants do similar for a range of reasons but mostly related to root damage from grubs, lack of water, borers/termites...

good luck with this, my suggestion would be apply neem oil to rid the soil of pests (if they exist?) and liquid seaweed to condition the plant...

all the best...pity to lose all that love and hardwork...

 

[Hash Man]

You say you have seen this for lack of water before? I did let the plants dry out pretty good, but have never seen part of a plant die from letting the soil dry out. If this was the case it would be good news. I had another one start with the same symptoms today. I will take a picture when it decides to do what it's going to do. I hit it hard with mycostop today.

 

[ozzieAI]

have all that plants that have been affected been dried out?

plants that are stressed (for any reason) can be affected by other issues. you think it is your water supply, where do you draw your water from?

from my experience of root rot problems is that the whole plant dies, not just parts of the plant.

borers/termites would also be high on my list of potential problems as well since the damage they cause may affect just parts of a plant as the problem progresses...

 

[LetTimmySmoke]

man i hate it when that happens you feel so hopeless and powerless its so hard to fix.

 

[Hash Man]

Well I went out and disk a neem, fish, and silica foliar, which they loved. I have 3 damaged plants now. 1 looks awesome at 7am and by 10am, I has one section of the plant that's droopy. One plant is yellowing rapidly and slouching overall. The other is pictured above. Mycostop applied heavily and more in my fridge. I topdressed rainbow mix and insect castings, and will be buying more neem and hygrozyme to feed. Thnx for the advice on the neem. The guys in the can a is concentrates section are probabably squirming right now about the neem use, but it's so good for prevention and leaves the leaves so shiney. Will update ...

 

[backyardbogfan]

Maybe add some beneficial soil microbes to counter the bad ones in the root zone.

 

[ozzieAI]

/\/\ this would help regardless...

 

[Hash Man]

Yup, the rainbow mix is full or beneficials. Also the insect castings have over 7 trillion bebificial bacteria per gram and over 100 billion fungal spores per gram. Went out today and the wilt has further progressed on the plant that looks good I. The morning and then Slouches by 10am. I am going to give them a nice blast of calmag to tomorrow and then a big time neem drench at 20ml/gallon in a few days. Also tomorrow I am going to foliar feed erythromycin to the plant I am losing hope for. She was so happy 3 days ago!

I have some rooters mycorrozzai I could throw in as well, but I think at the same stuff used in rainbow mix .

 

[ozzieAI]

good luck with it HM...do you inspect the dead plants to try and pin down the problem?

 

[Hash Man]

I will be when one officially dies. Do I cut it into small pieces with a saw and look for boring marks

 

[ozzieAI]

Do I cut it into small pieces with a saw and look for boring marks

no, first do a visual inspection of the whole plant including roots. use a loupe for close inspections and investigate any strange looking characteristics...brown spots, holes. lumps etc..if you find something i find it help to take a close up digital pic, load on to your computer and magnify it.

i have no real idea what is affecting your plants but i would initially concentrate on the limbs that first died off to see if the is any damage that looks like it occurred around the base of the stem. also the rootball is a prime area of concern and would warrant a close look. i would be interested if you were able to post pics of what you find.

 

[Snype]

Erythromicin on your plants sounds pretty crazy to me. I hope those flowers are only for you. I use Erythromicin too, but only to clean up my cyanobacteria and I would never use it on plants that people are going to consume. Try and find another way to fix your plants.

 

[Hash Man]

At first I checked to make sure it wasn't structural damge. I don't see any odd spots on the plants aside from the wilt associated with fusarium. I am about to use some hygrozyme and mycostop to help the plant fight. Normally, without using this mycostop, a wilting plant is dead within a day , so far I have no official deaths and it looks like the sick plants are fighting hard to live. I will keep an eye on things and post pics.

Snype, the em hasn't been sprayed yet. It's a last ditch effort and I have heard of it working before. Is it really that dangerous?

 

[Snype]

At first I checked to make sure it wasn't structural damge. I don't see any odd spots on the plants aside from the wilt associated with fusarium. I am about to use some hygrozyme and mycostop to help the plant fight. Normally, without using this mycostop, a wilting plant is dead within a day , so far I have no official deaths and it looks like the sick plants are fighting hard to live. I will keep an eye on things and post pics.

Snype, the em hasn't been sprayed yet. It's a last ditch effort and I have heard of it working before. Is it really that dangerous?

I'm not saying it's going to kill anyone but you are putting antibiotics into your crops like some people use in their cattle. That means that your patients are going to be ingesting antibiotics.

 

[Hash Man]

Ok thanks I will keep it in mind. Seems like plants are very similar to humans. Right now I have the plants best interest on my mind and am trying to nail down a way to control this issue. When I am sick, I take an antibiotic, and then when I start feeling better I take probiotics, so I am just going with that same theory. If I can't stop the issue, i will try em, I'm not expecting it to work, but it's worth a shot. I'm gonna do some research on what you say.

I just watched "the bay" on Netflix , it was about toxic levels of hormones from a chicken factory being dumped into a bay and formed a mutated isotope that was killin people. Hopey it won't be that bad if I use em

 

[Snype]

Ok thanks I will keep it in mind. Seems like plants are very similar to humans. Right now I have the plants best interest on my mind and am trying to nail down a way to control this issue. When I am sick, I take an antibiotic, and then when I start feeling better I take probiotics, so I am just going with that same theory. If I can't stop the issue, i will try em, I'm not expecting it to work, but it's worth a shot. I'm gonna do some research on what you say.

I just watched "the bay" on Netflix , it was about toxic levels of hormones from a chicken factory being dumped into a bay and formed a mutated isotope that was killin people. Hopey it won't be that bad if I use em

http://aquaticpath.umd.edu/news/:

"Danger in the fish aisle

Perhaps the biggest loophole in the regulation of veterinary drugs is the sale of fish antibiotics in pet stores, according to Brandon Goff, of the Pentagon Clinic in Washington.

In a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine in July, Goff and two other Pentagon doctors reported the case of an Army Special Forces soldier who had been treating a sinus infection for three months without a prescription. After some questioning, Goff said, the middle-age serviceman acknowledged that he'd been buying the drugs from the fish aisle of a local pet shop.

Goff visited pet stores and Internet sites that sell pet supplies and found a range of antibiotics available: packages of penicillin, in 250-milligram tablets; tetracycline, in 250-milligram capsules or tablets; erythromycin, in 200-milligram tablets. In all, there were about a dozen antibiotics commonly used by humans sold in clearly labeled doses.

Many of the same products are available through Internet sites operated by large pet-product chain stores or discount veterinary supply outfits.

When bombarded - but not killed off - by antibiotic drugs, bacteria eventually evolve defenses against the drugs. The tougher bugs are difficult to eradicate.

In recent years, for example, scientists have detected strains of the tuberculosis bacterium resistant to nearly every antibiotic available."

When you donate you meds to your patients and friends will you tell them that the product contains antibiotics? When people smoke cannabis they think they are just ingesting cannabis.

 

[Hash Man]

Snype, if it comes down to having actual usable product, yes I will tell people the truth. Good link, I'm going to look into this. It's heartbreaking when these giants fall and Im doing to do what I can for them. Transference of antibiotics from plants to humans is something I will look into.

I got the idea from your thread
At the very least there will be some documentation on whether or not it works.

You are using it on roots in hydro , correct?

 

[Snype]

Snype, if it comes down to having actual usable product, yes I will tell people the truth. Good link, I'm going to look into this. It's heartbreaking when these giants fall and Im doing to do what I can for them. Transference of antibiotics from plants to humans is something I will look into.

I got the idea from your thread
At the very least there will be some documentation on whether or not it works.

You are using it on roots in hydro , correct?

Read the last paragraph in my Cyanobacteria thread. I throw those clones out. It was just for documentation purposes. It sucks but I know that some growers are going to use it with plants but I had to put the information out there. This is why I don't smoke product from anyone else except for my own. Good luck though, I hope that you can deal with your issues. It would really suck to lose beauty's like the plants that you have. Hopefully someone here will help you out with some information to fix your problems safely. Good luck.