magnet experiment

[trichrider]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=45264&pictureid=1091172

Also, have you looked into a brix meter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brix
Since brix levels are commonly used as a way of assessing plant health, and seemingly quite accurately portray nutrient intake it would be an interesting parameter to compare.

Note to wiki article: It should be mentioned that brix meters used by hobbyists (refractometers) basically measure total dissolved matter in the extracted plant liquid (including minerals etc.), not just sucrose levels.

yes and no. no brix meter and not looking into buying one for this. i'm positive my results have been comprimised.
i've started new plants with coils and photographs of their condition prior to applying coils...the magnets attached to the other plants are perplexing...

so, we'll see if they display the same bizarre characteristics. i've got photos.


this is a sour diesel with thick fat leaves. i've applied a coil to capture a magnetic field within which the plant will progress.
follow if you will an interesting concept which in my estimation is at least capable of genetic modification or phenotypical modification of normal expression.

can someone interject other than awe?

i'd like to think that this may mimic conditions of a lower lattitude, but am unsure.

can some of you conceptualists trigger a thought?

 

[PetFlora]

Great thread

I've been making my own vortex structured water for several years using an inexpensive device that connects 2 @ 1 liter btls

I add some to my RO prior to mixing nutes

Also add some to my foliar spray, which is RO water + Himalayan Salt

Here's a teaser. There are lots of YouTube videos

http://www.vortexwater.net/

 

[trichrider]

Great thread

I've been making my own vortex structured water for several years using an inexpensive device that connects 2 @ 1 liter btls

I add some to my RO prior to mixing nutes

Also add some to my foliar spray, which is RO water + Himalayan Salt

Here's a teaser. There are lots of YouTube videos

http://www.vortexwater.net/

that is quite interesting. water and electricity flow in similar manner. my coil is a spiral and the induction of minute charge would mean the charge creates a vortex within.
perhaps that charge then aligns the water molecule as it's transported through the phloem...

thanks for your contribution.

 

[trichrider]

even still these girls seeem to be liking their environment.



working on just past 60 days into flowering. finished stretch and are plumping nicely. ten more days.

i started a second bunch of sour diesel seeds and have monitored them photogaphically to ascertain whether or not the apparatus effects phenotypical expression.

the two plants that previously displayed phenotypical variation are flowering out now.

the pictures of the new starts will verify any change of expression caused by the apparatus.

started four, three without and one with a coil. at one month they all appear with wide leaf indica leaning expression.







stay tuned...

 

[PetFlora]

9 is said to be a cosmic power number. You might try a 9 coil coil

Also, looks like your nutes are a tad hot (burned leaf tips prevalent on one plant- control?) for this stage of growth

Keep up the great work

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Whoa! How did I miss this thread for so long? No time now to read the whole thing now, gotta pull weeds while it's cool outside. But a short note... In my reading last night on cryptochromes, the proteins/pigments responsible for using blue light to mediate a number of responses in a wide variety of organisms, I learned that these proteins are thought to be responsible for many organisms' ability to orient to the earth's magnetic field. The navigation abilities of pigeons would be an example. So there is an identified mechanism which could explain a plant response to such.

 

[BullDogUK]

Very true Rabbit. I think I did link something a few pages back that mentioned the inherent kinetic energy of proteins which means that in their natural state they have an unstable conformation; perhaps a magnetic field could alter this.

Many proteins also exist as metalloproteins, meaning they are bound to a metal ion. Cytochromes are a class of metalloproteins so I imagine that would be the likely cause? A big problem is that no one has done any imaging work on cannabis proteins, I've no idea what sorts of metalloproteins might be involved in which pathways.

 

[trichrider]

Whoa! How did I miss this thread for so long? No time now to read the whole thing now, gotta pull weeds while it's cool outside. But a short note... In my reading last night on cryptochromes, the proteins/pigments responsible for using blue light to mediate a number of responses in a wide variety of organisms, I learned that these proteins are thought to be responsible for many organisms' ability to orient to the earth's magnetic field. The navigation abilities of pigeons would be an example. So there is an identified mechanism which could explain a plant response to such.

so we're getting somewhere now...where that is ???.

Very true Rabbit. I think I did link something a few pages back that mentioned the inherent kinetic energy of proteins which means that in their natural state they have an unstable conformation; perhaps a magnetic field could alter this.

Many proteins also exist as metalloproteins, meaning they are bound to a metal ion. Cytochromes are a class of metalloproteins so I imagine that would be the likely cause? A big problem is that no one has done any imaging work on cannabis proteins, I've no idea what sorts of metalloproteins might be involved in which pathways.

glad someone other than myself is beginning to suspect there is something to this.
wish i'd stayed at university so i could form a better understanding.

i'm bginning to feel like the cigar store indian.

 

[BullDogUK]

i'm bginning to feel like the cigar store indian.

We like to use fancy words in science so people think it's harder than it is

Anyway I did a little bit of digging and found this paper:

http://www.jbc.org/content/279/38/39767.full.pdf+html

They found that THCA synthase shares ~40%+ of it structure with the Berberine bridge enzyme, so I went and had a look at that as there are some high resolution/full structure images of it. Turns out that typically it's bound to an Mg2+ ion! So potentially the introduction of a magnetic field could be affecting the structure/activity of THCAS, I'd call that a pretty decent base for a hypothesis

 

[City Twin]

 

[trichrider]

controls.(all using the #1)
1: 12G>
2: 11G>>>
3: 14 G >>>>Total:60G >>>AVG. 12Grams
4: 12G>>>
5: 11G>
*******************

mag plant 2. N/S - 10G

mag plant 3. S/S - 13G

mag plant 4. N/N - 11G
...

 

[trichrider]

mag plant 5. N/N/N/N - 12 G

mag plant 6. N/S/N/S - 12 G

mag plant 7. grid on bottom. - 9 G

#2-10
#3-13
#4-11
#5-12
#6-12
#7-9
--------
total 67 G avg. 11.1 G

throwing out the highest and lowest in control and conditioned, the averages are more distinct.

control - 9 G
mags - 7.3 G

 

[trichrider]

top widow, bottom sour diesel
47" 49"

from the coils...

prior to 12/12 they displayed an odd feature...the even numbered fan leaves. those grew abnormally, on each of these two plants of different varieties. not just that, the serations were more pronounced and leaf shape longer and thinner.

currently my next application is not responding in like...but i have yet to retire the idea and will again post with results.

until then, stoned silence...

 

[PetFlora]

I neglected to move 3 large donut magnets to current clones, which are now within 14 days of harvest

Not sure what to expect. Tent temps ~ 80*s. Yesterday, I lined the tent with 2" insulation, to no avail

Worse, all pistils shriveled while outside the tent. I have no idea why that would happen

Pics are from before lining the tent


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[Jbomber79]

what is the "device" would love to know~

what is the "device" would love to know~

TR- keep up the experiment I'm sitting in the shadows making notes I wonder if the frequency the plant emits could be increased by what your up to?? Very interesting, whether or not it increases yield or potency is that what your after?

Great thread

I've been making my own vortex structured water for several years using an inexpensive device that connects 2 @ 1 liter btls

I add some to my RO prior to mixing nutes

Also add some to my foliar spray, which is RO water + Himalayan Salt

Here's a teaser. There are lots of YouTube videos

http://www.vortexwater.net/

 

[dontexist]

From the reading I have done on electroculture and the experiments not related to non-cannabis plants. I question the gauss on the magnets, not all magnets are created equally, it might not have had a strong enough energy. I speculate that the tesla coil applied to the other plants which have a obvious effect might be decreasing the leaf area, not presenting new genetics from mutations. In another experiment from a site broadroots.com, the site is down go to website archive to access it. After delivering a high enough current allowed made the plants STOP growing leaves. I believe the tesla coils is delivering a high enough current to the plants which they have responded in reducing the leaf area to concentrate energy on other growing processes. What we classify as sativa usually grow in hotter climates which sun exposure is plentiful and indicas in colder climates. Sativas require less leaf area in their natural habitats then indicas hense why leaf areas might have evolved the way that they have.

While studying the biochemical pathways of plants in school I hypothesized that providing negative ions i.e. magnets, current, ozone, replaced the electrons which were used in initial light reaction in photosystem I and II. Either that or plays a role on voltage gradients. From the evidence on reduced leaf production with increased current and the reason the tesla coils might be having on the plants, it stands to reason that the first theory could be true.

I will present the info from Broadroots once I can dig it up from the web.

 

[DrFever]

I have come to the conclusion that magnetic water is the ticket not placing magnets in soil or around pot

 

[trichrider]

I neglected to move 3 large donut magnets to current clones, which are now within 14 days of harvest

Not sure what to expect. Tent temps ~ 80*s. Yesterday, I lined the tent with 2" insulation, to no avail

Worse, all pistils shriveled while outside the tent. I have no idea why that would happen

Pics are from before lining the tent


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rewarding hobby no? try the magnets next time if you want to, nothing to lose imo. did your girls recover?

TR- keep up the experiment I'm sitting in the shadows making notes I wonder if the frequency the plant emits could be increased by what your up to?? Very interesting, whether or not it increases yield or potency is that what your after?

good on you, but i can only visualize disturbance in that resonance...very astute observation. i had no goal whatsoever, just a curiosity and a little (alot) of stoned musing to guide...and a bunch of reading.

From the reading I have done on electroculture and the experiments not related to non-cannabis plants. I question the gauss on the magnets, not all magnets are created equally, it might not have had a strong enough energy. I speculate that the tesla coil applied to the other plants which have a obvious effect might be decreasing the leaf area, not presenting new genetics from mutations. In another experiment from a site broadroots.com, the site is down go to website archive to access it. After delivering a high enough current allowed made the plants STOP growing leaves. I believe the tesla coils is delivering a high enough current to the plants which they have responded in reducing the leaf area to concentrate energy on other growing processes. What we classify as sativa usually grow in hotter climates which sun exposure is plentiful and indicas in colder climates. Sativas require less leaf area in their natural habitats then indicas hense why leaf areas might have evolved the way that they have.

While studying the biochemical pathways of plants in school I hypothesized that providing negative ions i.e. magnets, current, ozone, replaced the electrons which were used in initial light reaction in photosystem I and II. Either that or plays a role on voltage gradients. From the evidence on reduced leaf production with increased current and the reason the tesla coils might be having on the plants, it stands to reason that the first theory could be true.

I will present the info from Broadroots once I can dig it up from the web.

please don't tell them i'm using tesla coils...
they are definitely not tesla coils. but, since plants and animals have electrical and magnetic fields they are certainly affected by the negative ions bombarding this rock daily.
i'm getting the impression the charge (should one be discovered) may alter the water structure as the plant transports it or affect the electron transport.
agreed on the voltage gradient perspective, though. good call.
not that any genetics have been changed, but rather different expression of those genetics has certainly occurred.

my next application is not showing the same results so more testing is in order.

Thank you guys for your interest and comments.

now back to a previously packed bong.

 

[DrFever]

It is known that plants and trees need mineral salts and microelements from the soil to function and photosynthesize properly. However, plants do not use the majority of nutrients that are in soil. While watering plants with normal water, only a small amount of nutritional elements dissolves in the soil and becomes available to the plants. Further consumption of these nutrients from the soil is very rare when plants start to grow and a larger amount of nutrients is required, the deficit of microelements results in low numbers of crop. The deficit of microelements/nutrients in the soil is the main reason for a decreased growth rate and low crop. That is the reason to why magnetic water should be used for irrigation.

In addition, when the plant is watered using hard and non- magnetized water, white coating is formed on the surface of the soil: that is calcium bicarbonate and carbonate. Some of calcium bicarbonate is washed away by water penetrating soil and depositing on the roots of plants. The plant, then, starts to suffocate because of these depositions and in order to continue to feed, forms additional roots. This process results in a decrease of normal growth in plants.

However, plants that are irrigated using water that is treated by "Magnetic Technologies" company, easily take in mineral salts from the soil and no sediment is formed on the soil surface. Also if mineral and organic fertilizers are used, they dissolve better which results in their need for use the decrease by 50% and at the same time, plants still continue to develop without any extra effort. This results in an increased crop production and in an increased quality of agricultural products.

In short, the economic advantage of using magnetic water for irrigating the crops looks like this:

Advantages

Vegetation period decreases by 15-20 days, therefore the crops ripe 15-20 days earlier than normally.
Crop production increases from 15-20% to 100%, and in some cases, even more.
Plant disease rates drastically decrease.
Taste of agricultural products improves.
Approximately 30% less water is used for irrigation
Therefore 30% less energy is used in water pipes.
Sea water (salty water) can be used for watering (from 6-8 thousand PPM inclusive) and for some cultures, very salty water can be used (from 15 thousand inclusive).
By magnetizing seeds before sowing and by irrigating them with magnetic water, the need for crop material decreases by min. 30%.
Average of 30% decrease in fertilizer consumption.
Active soil desalination takes place, increasing crop production year after year.
Expenses
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[dontexist]

rewarding hobby no? try the magnets next time if you want to, nothing to lose imo. did your girls recover?


good on you, but i can only visualize disturbance in that resonance...very astute observation. i had no goal whatsoever, just a curiosity and a little (alot) of stoned musing to guide...and a bunch of reading.


please don't tell them i'm using tesla coils...
they are definitely not tesla coils. but, since plants and animals have electrical and magnetic fields they are certainly affected by the negative ions bombarding this rock daily.
i'm getting the impression the charge (should one be discovered) may alter the water structure as the plant transports it or affect the electron transport.
agreed on the voltage gradient perspective, though. good call.
not that any genetics have been changed, but rather different expression of those genetics has certainly occurred.

my next application is not showing the same results so more testing is in order.

Thank you guys for your interest and comments.

now back to a previously packed bong.

Your right they are not tesla coils, they are solenoids, as you can see my trainng was in biochemistry not engineering. I also havn't smoked in a few weeks and my mind is racing. What I meant by genetics being changed was perilously expression of certain genetic codes, but it might be rate of expression of the same code. If I could do a analysis of the leaves it would be really easy to verify. I doubt the water being magnetized has anything to, or what many people consider to be water structures in groups. Water molecules are normally carried one molecule or mol at a time by different highly controlled enzymes. The way that they are structured as a group would not play a role since most molecules in a cell are highly controlled by enzymes specific for one molecule at a time. The limiting reagent in most photosynthetic complexes is the free electron. If anything magnetic field actually constrains water molecules by making them bind to each other more tightly. that might be why your yields are lower for the magnetic group. See this link for a study done of magetic field on water.

The negative electrons going directly to photosystem I and II which start the chain enzyme reaction to split H20 to provide the H+ molecule which then increases the voltage gradient. So I believe by adding electrons through current you are supplementing the electrons which are usually acquired by photosynthesis, which could have some really interesting effects on the expression of certain genes.