DIY Mighty Wash

[SunGrown]

I searched for a thread here about mighty wash and didn't find any DIY or knockoffs mentioned.

Mighty wash, works for me, period.

But it is pricy and like most things off the shelf I can nearly guarantee the price markup is many fold.

If anyone here has successfully recreated it or found inexpensive alternatives that are the same as mighty wash please post here.

I am not concerned with other mite treatments in this thread.

We all know about everything out there, I have avid in the arsenal but haven't needed to use it since I started using mighty wash.

So please, let's get the conversation going, and help me / us figure this out. We already know it is electrolyzed water with a ph approx of 9 and some wetting agent, maybe yucca maybe a commercial wetting agent.

The difficult part is not in making it at home, the hard part is making it stable enough for storage so that is can be made in large enough batches and actually stay active for more than a month even.

 

[SunGrown]

This article is informative. And pertinent.

http://lwicker.myweb.uga.edu/electrolyzedwater.htm

And this company has stabilized it I believe but I have not called them yet to get price quotes but they are in California so I will call them later today.

Rpa-biotech.com

This is from their website :

"The Agriculture products are non-toxic, non-corrosive, and environmentally safe for humans and animals. Today this is the only known product to cure the effects of Pierce's Disease in grapevines and is also used to control mites, plant bacteria, various molds and fungal diseases."

 

[medicalmj]

I need to revisit my chemistry books, lol. Sounds like their must be a product added to water that keeps the pH (p stands for -log, and H is hydrogen, of concentration in solution) high, or low H concentration. This is inversly related to pOH, or -log of OH. So a high pH means that the more H's are combined w O's than in nuetral water at 25C, pH and pOH of 7. So in essence, instead of an equal amount of H+ and OH- uncombined in H2O, more is OH-. This would allow for oxidation. And recall, H+ means it has a missing electron (H+ has only a proton) and OH- has an extra electron. This should give us something to contemplate...

I am gonna check out my chem stuff and get really high, maybe an idea will come to me

 

[SunGrown]

Please do medicalmj! I appreciate any effort you can put into this research!

I really want to understand how it can be made stable for long periods of storage. DIY alkaline water is easy enough, and seems to work, however I have no chemistry education background and can't know if the electrically produced alkaline water is stable for periods of storage. I am more and more convinced that this is all mighty wash is, along with a wetting agent added.

 

[SunGrown]

I found this description:

" Clustered Water, when looked at under a microscope, exhibits a beautiful hexagonally (six sided) shaped water molecule. It is made up of six H20 molecules held together by shared hydrogen atoms. Clustered Water can occur naturally and is said to be the most perfect and pure water found on earth."

@ medicalmj....you happen to have a microscope quality enough to verify mighty wash has this 6 sides shape? I suppose you would have to separate the wetting agent out first, maybe separatory funnel?

 

[foomar]

Clustered water or other SAW,s do not actually exist , brownian motion and entropy disrupt any pattern , water is in constant motion above freezing point.

It is beyond current imageing science to see as small as six water molecules , the images shown on these sites are ice crystals containing millions .


Water Cluster Quackery

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html

How on earth can they show a snowflake and claim it is a single molecule? A molecule of water is, as you know, merely H2O. Just 2 of the smallest atoms in existence bonded to one of the smaller atoms.

Each of those pictures showed many thousand water molecules packed together, forming the solid well known as ice. All three pictures showed water that was clustered into a crystalline matrix by the familiar process known as freezing…

Regarding the pictures of different water crystals, only slight differences in the crystal growth conditions are necessary to have very different appearing crystals. One can cool the water faster or slower, start with water vapor of differing water density, use slightly more or less pure water, etc.

It appears to be a dilute solution of an industrial degreaser or janitorial/kitchen product , possibly one called microsol(?) i used to clean black powder guns with , same faint pink colour and a high pH.

Would discount the pseudo science and explore dilute solutions of food safe surfactants , my experiments gave good results but its basically soapy water reduceing the surface tension of water low enougth to choke and drown insects thats been used for centuries.

 

[SunGrown]

foomar, thanks for joining in, and hopefully you can stay part of this discussion. You know more than I scientifically it seems. So thank you!

I do know my home made alkaline water along with grow mores spreader worked at least close to as well as mighty wash does, so I feel that I am on the right track. However, I will look into the product you mentioned...I may have to fork out the many thousands of dollars to have mighty wash compared to others that we feel strongly may be the same.

 

[SunGrown]

http://www.anachem.co.uk/PipetteService/decontamination/microsol3plus

Improved Formulation MicroSol 3+

Proven efficacy against bacteria, fungi, yeasts, algae & viruses
DNA inactivation
Cleaning and disinfection in one easy step
Non-corrosive
No residues
Readily biodegradable
Lower ecotoxicity*
Double the hard water tolerance*
More than twice the efficacy under organic soiling conditions*
Higher tolerance of anionic traces* – eg. Effective in the presence of 300ppm sodium lauryl sulphate*Compared to single chain Q.A.C.s

foomar, u may have hit some nail on or near the head, I will order some of this stuff for a future lab test vs mighty wash...this is the stuff you mentioned, correct?

 

[foomar]

Hi Sungrown , that sounds like an upgraded version.

That name has been used on several similar products aimed at different markets over time.

The original was imported to the UK 20 years ago and marketed to blackpowder shooters and the jewellary trade as an ionic and anionic surfactant to replace hydrocarbon solvents , really did the job well and caused no after corrosion , diluted down to about 3% solution it was reasonably priced.

Was effective on greenfly and similar in the garden and caused no visible harm to leaves unless sprayed in full sun.

Dont know if its any better than a cheap detergent but it is at least food rated , plain agrochem wetting agent or sticker/spreader intended for field use would probably be as good.

 

[SunGrown]

this may be what you originally referred to? edit...this is made in the states...may not be the same??

I can get that here in the states for about 200$ for 5 gallons, and at the 10-1 dilution rate or less, that is super cheap...looks like it is the same coloration as mighty wash

the MicroSol3+ I can't find in the states yet, but from the UK the 5 liter is about 200$...

I am in northern california, and we have had very resistant mites here for many years, and since finding Mighty Wash, and believe me I have tried near every product, it works.

But the retail price of MW is a scam.

I compared the msds sheets for the microSol 585(original) to the msds for MW and they both claim proprietary ingredients....but since Mighty Wash is manufactured in Oregon it must be human safe due to our west coast states heavy regulations.

I will look into the things you have mentioned, but I really think you may have helped solve this issue that has been eating at me for a good spell...makes me wonder if my alkaline water worked or if I just haven't had mites for a bit and just thought it kept them away??

 

[foomar]

The one i remember was definately made in the USA , looks the same and had a bitter taste , might have sold the license on to a UK firm.


This one has been certificated for serious lab use like forensic DNA , and carries a premium price.

Should be a far cheaper industrial cleaning concentrate available that will perform the same for our needs.


When it was first marketed to growers there was a lot of viral marketing , with variations on this one posted everywhere.

As one of the inventors of this product I can assure you that Mighty Wash does indeed work just like you are describing it.

After 10 years of research we "imprinted" pure water with frequencies that do kill the spidermites with NO HARM to the plant.

This is work that started with Nikola Tesla and has advanced to the present day. I am pleased with the response to these products and I am happy to offer a clean solution to spidermites.

We have also determined that Mighty Wash can be used RIGHT UP TO THE DAY OF HARVEST with NO RESIDUES in the finished medicine!

P.S. Because the mites are killed with frequency they CANNOT become immune to Mighty Wash... Namaste, Love to you all

Any mention of tesla in marketing a product online is invariably bullshit or simply bad science , and shows the contempt they have for the target market.

 

[SunGrown]

yeah, hippy marketing bullshit in every single grow shop I have seen. I am sure they all think home cannabis gardeners are pathetic and will buy off the shelf...shit I did for years, and a few products I still do only because I havent yet figured out how to make them yet.

the pgrs on the shelves for hundreds of dollars that can be made for pennies really got me going a while back!

I did the generic math breakdown and at dilution the cost breaks down to only about 10$ a gallon with microsol (vs roughly 40$ per gallon with Mighty Wash)

....which means exactly what I suspect, if true, Mighty Wash Markup is ridiculously huge....

he is an inventor of mighty wash, my ass, maybe invented a label and a marketing ploy to throw everyone off the track to knowing what it really is.

thanks again, my brain is on overload reading patents and msds today, if you know of products similar to the microsol for me to look into please post trade names for me to add to my research list

 

[foomar]

This is the less specialised type i am thinking of , seems safe based on its composition and should spoil a mites day , would be inexpensive at around 1% concentration and might be lower by experiment.

NC- 680 industrial degreasent.

Most have a pH of 10 or higher , which could help slow the spread of PM.

Just had a haze fueled mad idea , if that pink colour was an inert colloidal material of the correct micron size to block an insects spiracle on evaporation would it suffocate them efficiently . . .

 

[SunGrown]

thanks for that, I am looking into it

so it turns out, that the UK version, MicroSol 3+.

well that company is owned by a company out of Ohio. And the company that owns the US versions like MicroSol 585, 484 and many others is also owned by a company in Ohio.

I wonder if I will discover that the Oregon mighty wash company is owned by a company in Ohio?

 

[SunGrown]

already saw on the msds sunlight supply owns npk industries, they suck as a company anyway, good products, shitty company

 

[SunGrown]

if someone that understands the chemistry, and importance, of this msds please let me know. This is the 3+ product that claims benefit to "Proven efficacy against bacteria, fungi, yeasts, algae & viruses"

COMPOSITION/INFORMATION
ON
INGREDIENTS
Composition:
A
blend
of
tertiary
alkylamine
and
quaternary
ammonium
compound
biocides,
with
a
detergent
and
sequestering agent.
Chemical
%
Concentration
Classification
CAS
Exposure
N,N-didecyl-N,N-
dimethylammonium
chloride
1
-
5
C;R34
X
n
;
R22
N;
R50
7173-51-5
None assigned
For
the
full
text
of
the
R-phrases
mentioned
in
this
section,
please
refer
to
section
16.
__________________________________________________________________________

http://www.waproducts.co.uk/pdf/MicroSol3+concentrate.pdf

I am thinking that this version of MicroSol is what they are using along with alkaline water as the carrier...potentially in order to sell it as no dilution necessary. and to justify the alkaline water claim on the label.

this is a theory, no doubt, but seems worth deeper search since it has bothered me for so long and none of the other threads do anything more than end up thinking its alkaline water/ionized

 

[medicalmj]

While back got spdr mites from a clone. I sprayed mites w MW and observed under my dissecting scope 40x. It appeared as if they just melted. Got me thinking. Their shell is made of chitin (C8H13O5N)n.

Looking into what dissolve chitin, I find some ionic liquid solvents that will do it. And while the ones I discovered that will dissolve a mite like 1-butyl-3-methylimidazolium chloride are a bit hazardous, there are other ionic liquids that are a 0 on the Health hazard, albiet dont know how they'd work.

So I'm considering the possibility that they use an ionic liquid that is relatively "safe". BTW there hundreds of possible liquids on the market. Sigma-Aldrich will link to hundreds if not thousands.

 

[Tonygreen]

Imaging molecules.

http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2013...mages-of-molecules-before-and-after-reaction/

Atom movie omnomnomnom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCX78-8-q0

 

[SunGrown]

so medicalmj...I know it melts/stops mites for sure, my experience completely. are you saying I need to research ionic liquid solvents that dissolve chitin AKA (C8H13O5N)n ??

these anything like in that msds link I posted?

I can do the research but the knowledge is beyond me at this point, thank you!

 

[SunGrown]

tonygreen, i'll check into the links, thanks