FEED OR FLUSH IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS?

[Storm Shadow]

Flushing is Bro Science 101 in the Purest Form....

Flushing is made for Toilets

Nitrogen and Blue Wavebands = THC

 

[Hammerhead]

I dont use any flushing product I use plain RO water. why waste your cash when water does a fine job. I have never used one of those flushing products so I can't say if they work or not. I have never had a reason to buy those when I have ro water or tap water if its not high in mineral content.


If you like your smoke none flushed thats perfectly fine. Im not going to tell anyone what the like or dont like. I dont like my smoke without it going through senescence process before Its harvested this requires a heavy flush..

 

[Storm Shadow]

Bro Science ^^^^ 101

 

[Storm Shadow]

You do realize plants eat what they want and discard what they don't like.. as long the ratios are balanced...

Ive grown 1000's of plants... and I've flushed and not flushed... huge difference is flushed herb has less everything good to it.. taste..potency...yield...

Do you think back in the day when you scored that ultra lime neon green skunk that one tiny nug would make your whole room smell like stank in 3 ziplock bags was flushed??

Forums/Internet created these flush rumors non-sense..its makes zero sense to starve anything living if you want it be the highest quality

please do show us some peer reviewed papers that back up this Bro Science..

I smoked on plants given 2500-3000ppms up until harvest...OG'z smoke like pure dank and burn smooth as silk...

 

[Dr. Buddington]

Well, I run 1000-1100 ppm max in flowering, I will give plain water for last few days just to save some nutes. I've harvested without any kind of a flush a number of times and have never had any issues with the quality of end product. To my recollection Heath Robinson didn't flush while running similar nute concentrations...

 

[blastfrompast]

well have 10 WW going right now, 5 to a light.

Perhaps it is time for a test....full nutes for 1 the whole way through..doing a blind smoke test with a few buddies.

I always found I got that tingly lip burning taste from herb that didnt get at least a 2 day water flush....

 

[LyryC]

Looks like Cannabis is the only plant "flushed" in the horticulture world.

The only reasons I can find for flushing are cleaning the medium, transitioning to bloom, and to speed up or force early fruiting for a quicker harvest(which lacks in quality and quantity if it isn't rushed), and to increase the water content in the fruit increasing yield/size.

Plus I think us stoners only call it "flushing" otherwise its considered "leaching".

I can't compare any plants this run - no two are controlled to be similar - but I think 'ill be doing a flushing experiment when time comes.

just my 2 cents after being torn both ways.

Feeding till death makes much more sense over all.

 

[LyryC]

the stoners argument is to flush for health reasons - but man the plant does not consume salt - just elements within it and thats why we have to flush salt out the medium - but you could also save on your nutes in the last few weeks.

god fucking damit this is ridiculously teetering for me and its leaning towards no flush with only 1 plant flushed to compare.

 

[PeopleWish]

Why starve your plant during the most crucial phase of its life?

I think ur best bet would be to eliminate your nitrogen components, and instead focus on delivering P:K properly.

Some connoisseurs say that they can taste residual "N", however, you never hear them saying that they taste Phosphorus or Potassium.

On a 63 day strain I usually cut out my nitrogen components (strain depending) at day 53.

Watering with just P:K is considered flushing to me, because we are really focusing on forcing the plant to use its N reserves, for a smoother taste/smoke.

 

[PeopleWish]

Water phed to 4.0 flushes better than any agent also.

 

[3dDream]

MileHighGuy - I double checked my theory on flushing and I think to some degree you are right. I have a haze dom ssh x (f13 X modb bx) and a f13 x mod bx in flower since the end of feb and flushing for the last month. I tested them in the vape straight from the branch at different times. The result is that they tasted fine the whole time. Flushing does help make a smooth product, but the poop taste I had before was not there.

The only thing I can think of is that I am on a chemical nute now and at the time I used lots of liquid karma (poop). I think if a plant is all juiced up like a bodybuilder it will need to detox a bit. Feeding poop and tasting poop as a result makes more sense than anything.

In the end I do not consider it a waste to let plants coast out the last weeks of their life. If you ever bake food in the oven, some people will turn of the oven the last 20% or so of the cook time to save energy.

 

[3dDream]

Why starve your plant during the most crucial phase of its life?

I think the crucial part is over. In my tiny setup a sativa can flower in 4-5 waves. I begin to flush when I see all brown pistils at the end of the 4th wave. I think at this time I have feed though the crucial part. At this late in the game they do not drink as much (my setup feeds at the plants own cycle).

Does a ripening apple need food from the tree?

 

[ChilcotinBuddha]

I flush for the last 2 weeks with no ill effects to quantity or quality but then again I like adhere to the K.I.S.S. way of doing things in life.

 

[Rumpleforeskin]

Some folks like the taste of unflushed bud.

Just not in my house. Tried it both ways (same clone, same setup), my wife hates the taste of the unflushed bud, she can pick it out of a line-up ten out of ten times.

 

[LyryC]

Some folks like the taste of unflushed bud.

Just not in my house. Tried it both ways (same clone, same setup), my wife hates the taste of the unflushed bud, she can pick it out of a line-up ten out of ten times.

if you don't mind could you elaborate a bit more?

What exactly is so different tasting? Burn different?

 

[Rumpleforeskin]

She only smokes in a pipe/bong so the burn is probably the same or we have not noticed.

 

[BaBaBlooM]

This is my exact question and problem.. IMO if my tastebuds aren't trippn when a plant is not flushed it has a GRIT on the tongue feel when smoked may be something else but that is what i attributed the feeling to.. Im in week 5 of some GC..(green crack).. Dank as fuck and not sure flush or no flush @2800ppm can't find any solid info except for MileHigh...

 

[DHF]

This is my exact question and problem.. IMO if my tastebuds aren't trippn when a plant is not flushed it has a GRIT on the tongue feel when smoked may be something else but that is what i attributed the feeling to.. Im in week 5 of some GC..(green crack).. Dank as fuck and not sure flush or no flush @2800ppm can't find any solid info except for MileHigh...

Made a big post the other day after reading StormShadow`s statement on smokin 3000 ppm unflushed dope and it was "smooth as silk" , and that flushin dope was "Bro Science 101" , and the server disappeared it through my proxy server , so I hit some bongs to calm my nerves and went fishin......and....for the record.....

I nor Heath Robinson have ever flushed a plant in our lives , BUT he taught me yrs ago about university studies that proved " less is more" with shoving juice up a plant`s ass , and Dr Buddington Heath never ran over 1.2 EC/600 PPMS with Ionic nutes , but I hadta ramp mine up to 750/1.5 since I used GH 3 part to prevent premature yellowing , but regardless......

We both ran predominantly hydro and last couple weeks or so strain dependent the main rez was topped off with R/O to slowly "dwindle down" ppms till end of cycle so by the time chop and Harvey came......

PPM`s were in the high 150`s-low 200`s the equivalent of municipal tapwater , and proper slow dry and cure took care of the residuals through evaporation and dehumidification with all foliage removed.....

Once I went full fledged coco DTW I STILL topped off in late bloomage to drop ppms and allow the plants to cannibalize themselves of stored N in the fanleaves left on the plants for the "fade" targeting chlorophyll degradation BEFORE chop to insure smoother tasting and better smelling end product after a proper cure time of 1 month with my rotations.....that said.....

Folks that shove juice up their plants ass NEED to flush out their rootzones/rootmass so the plants can indeed get rid of residual salt buildup and kill as much chlorophyll as possible BEFORE the chop , and.......

I question greatly ANYONE`s suggestion to keep feeding full strength or elevated ec/ppm`s till end of cycle , only because excess N prolongs flowering AND finishing times causing foxtailing and definitely nanners poppin out at some point in the game cuz I`ve done it and witnessed first hand many times runnin krusty buckets back in the day till I learned from my mistakes.......so.....

Guys....To each his own , and guaranteed folks will do what they will and SWEAR to it , without EVER trying different parameters cuz they`re happy with their results , and hey.......whatever cranks yer tractor.....but......

Letting the plant leach itself of all residual nutrients stored during late bloomage is the way all the big boys do it in medville and why ?......Cuz their shit gets tested BEFORE it`s able to be marketed by the bigger clubs and dispensaries........anyways....

My 2 cents from all those yrs......This subject has been heatedly argued over for yrs and yrs cuz folks won`t do side by sides cuz they`re afraid of fuckin up their regular consistent returns on investment even if they`re sub-par because of it.......and.....

Bababloom.......Flush your shit......Trust me.....but....NEVER starve your plants and rob em of what they need to be ALL they can be swellage wise come Harvey......bet on it....

Peace.....DHF...........

 

[blastfrompast]

Doesn't anybody else get the tingly lip feeling from bud that didnt get just water for a bit near the end...

Or perhaps that was just the crappy dry/cure.....

I don't get it from mine, but when I visit buddy who gets his from a commercial hydro guy...You can sure taste it....I don't smoke his...dark green table trimmed bud..

 

[DHF]

Doesn't anybody else get the tingly lip feeling from bud that didnt get just water for a bit near the end...

Or perhaps that was just the crappy dry/cure.....

I don't get it from mine, but when I visit buddy who gets his from a commercial hydro guy...You can sure taste it....I don't smoke his...dark green table trimmed bud..

Bro.....A "proper" dry and cure takes runs under yer belt , and knowing what your environment is as far as relative ambient relative humidity BEFORE you attempt to suck moisture outta buncha pot plants that`re 100% water at time of chop.....

Proper dry and cure is a learned thing , not just do this and do that kinda way to accomplish the best end product....Most folks jack their plants up with too much juice and it NEEDS gotten rid of before chop by all means necessary as in some type of flush or leaching process ..but.....

Most folks don`t know that less is more , and even though more Indica dominant plants can handle crazy ass ppms and still survive , it doesn`t mean they need it or can use it , and......

You can bet your ass if yas try and shove 2800 and over 3000 ppms up a sativa dominant hybrid , they`ll shut down , dry up , and fall over dead....bet on it........anyways....

Do this shit for buncha yrs and figure it out......Don't post absolutes till yas know first hand after trial and error with said different techniques , and this is meant for everyone not anyone in particular.........

Flush if yas shove too much juice up your plants ass , or rock lower ppms across the board and dwindle em down last couple weeks ta keep from starving em for late swellage......period......

Peace.....DHF..........