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When BHO Goes Horribly Wrong
- Thread starter Sam Selezny
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tehmaster
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You are giving people a false sense of security, " if you're going to rub gunpowder with a nail file, make sure we follow these safety tips !"
And all these pathetic references you are making seem to me to be off topic!! Lol i've got a good safety measure instead
DON'T BLAST BUTANE INDOORS, PERIOD.
You evidently have missed my point, when did I tell "someone to do the dumbest shit ever"? Sounds like you STILL think I'm suggesting/encouraging blasting indoors, despite my numerous attempts at communicate that that is NOT what I suggest/think/believe.
I am of the opinion that if someone is going to do something stupid, they should remove as many sources of possible disaster as they are willing/able to (I know outside is the only safe option, yes). Making people aware of these sources is essential if you want to enable them achieve that. That was my end goal here.
You can't actively avoid something you don't know about.
Hopefully my last post on this topic, becoming stressful to attempt to explain myself to people who think I'm suggesting others perform extremely dangerous acts.
Mods, feel free to remove my posts if you think it's in the best interest of the public's safety, endangering members was literally the opposite of my intention.
You are just saying dont do this, but in case you do anyway heres how and maybe you wont blow up your home. Dont stress, just dont sugar coat 
. We could all see your point and how you tried to dilute it and break it gently with references to heroine and celibacy. However, at the root of it all you were saying although you dont condone doing something, heres how to do that exact thing in a semi safer way but its still shouldnt be done. Thats why a mod really thought it might be a good idea to delete your posts. I hope he does.
. We could all see your point and how you tried to dilute it and break it gently with references to heroine and celibacy. However, at the root of it all you were saying although you dont condone doing something, heres how to do that exact thing in a semi safer way but its still shouldnt be done. Thats why a mod really thought it might be a good idea to delete your posts. I hope he does.
You're not saying you encourage to do it indoors. But you do encourage people to do it indoors your way if they have to? Like saying hey heroine addict don't do heroine but if you do heres a clean needle? If you want to commit suicide don't use a .22 use the 40 cal it will work better? You think that makes your info valuable? You don't think just saying don't do it inside a confined space is better advice? This blows my mind.
Yeah, that's it. Guess I don't see that as problematic. I work from the assumption that people are going to do what they want regardless of my advice, so I attempt to give them information allowing them to make an informed decision by themselves.
The difference between those 2 statements is that the first makes it LESS dangerous for the user (He does it either way, harm reduction allows him to use a clean needle at least), the second scenario plays out equally badly regardless. I do agree with the first, for the record, strategies of that ilk are proven to reduce spread of HIV and such.
You still seem to be missing aspects of my original point, I'm not suggesting that doing it outside isn't better advice, IT OBVIOUSLY IS (I challenge you to find anything I said that suggests blasting indoors is safe, okay, or better than outdoors. I did admit that i was foolish enough to blast indoors in the past sure, but I literally mentioned stupidity in the same sentence).
I'm trying to help those who aren't going to heed that advice minimise additional risks (not encouraging the taking of said risks, but somehow it keeps communicating that way), whereas others are suggesting that not mentioning it at all somehow stops it from happening. There is evidently a split in opinion here (Me on one side, everyone else on the other lol), which is why I'm attempting to back out of this thread before the difference in opinion detracts from the original purpose too much..
I can understand why people give out clean needles. I can for sure understand every single aspect of your point. Its really not complicated. But, if we're diving into each possible detail of each said argument one could propose that nobody on here is an addict to making bho indoors, so your comparison to clean needles and heroine is mute. People don't become physically ill from withdrawal of making bho indoors. Theres no spread of disease from it either. Bho makers, they wont get sick from blasting it outside instead. We were discussing one topic and one particular piece of bad advice and how it was bad for the target audience. All these other relations have particular aspects to them that make them different than said argument, thats what makes them comparisons. Explaining the difference between my two comparative statements doesn't make them any less viable comparisons.
Good, we're approaching the same page I think, I appreciate your calm, rational, insult-free responses.
Also not suggesting that blasting outside is in any way as dangerous as doing so inside (quite the inverse, as stated in many of my previous posts), what I am suggesting is that blasting indoors with good ventilation and mains switched off is safer (but in no way danger free or advisable) than doing so with insufficient airflow and live electricity in a confined space. Do you disagree?
The reason I attempted to illustrate the difference between your two comparisons was that I thought the first was drastically closer to the situation at hand here, perhaps you believe the other was more apt, I'm not sure.
I know I said my last post was a few posts ago, but with a situation this volatile (ambiguous explosion pun, check) it is essential that I clarify my position, I don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm advocating dangerous behaviour, merely observing that it does happen, and hopefully helping folks do it in the least retarded way possible (oxymoron, check.).
I'm going to go back and edit my original post with a disclaimer to clarify that I don't suggest or condone anything of that ilk, regardless of past stupidity on my behalf.
Bless,
Milde
EDIT: First post has been changed to clarify my position, I think my word choice (re. MUST extract indoors) was poor in retrospect, but I stand firm on my belief that informing people about potential dangers and educating them to do stupid things as safely as possible if they insist on doing them is the best option. As mentioned above, if the community at large or mods decide that they disagree, feel free to remove whichever of my posts you think pose a threat to readers.
I'm not suggesting they're equally addictive, rather drawing a comparison between the lack of impulse control and ability to take into account/understand/care about possible ramifications that is present in both heroin addiction and choosing to perform dangerous extractions in less than desirable situations.
Also not suggesting that blasting outside is in any way as dangerous as doing so inside (quite the inverse, as stated in many of my previous posts), what I am suggesting is that blasting indoors with good ventilation and mains switched off is safer (but in no way danger free or advisable) than doing so with insufficient airflow and live electricity in a confined space. Do you disagree?
The reason I attempted to illustrate the difference between your two comparisons was that I thought the first was drastically closer to the situation at hand here, perhaps you believe the other was more apt, I'm not sure.
I know I said my last post was a few posts ago, but with a situation this volatile (ambiguous explosion pun, check) it is essential that I clarify my position, I don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm advocating dangerous behaviour, merely observing that it does happen, and hopefully helping folks do it in the least retarded way possible (oxymoron, check.).
I'm going to go back and edit my original post with a disclaimer to clarify that I don't suggest or condone anything of that ilk, regardless of past stupidity on my behalf.
Bless,
Milde
EDIT: First post has been changed to clarify my position, I think my word choice (re. MUST extract indoors) was poor in retrospect, but I stand firm on my belief that informing people about potential dangers and educating them to do stupid things as safely as possible if they insist on doing them is the best option. As mentioned above, if the community at large or mods decide that they disagree, feel free to remove whichever of my posts you think pose a threat to readers.
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About a month ago I was at a friends house and we wanted to make BHO, I always do it outdoors but he wanted to do it in the kitchen sink (his house his mess to clean up...)
Well he ran the bhutane through the tube and into a small container that he placed in a larger container with hot water and then luckily steps back, cause the electric water boiler thingie turns off and makes a spark, all I hear from the living room is a WOOSH and see a yellow light, and hear him going OH FUCK! come into the kitchen and their is a huge fire in the sink about to ignite the curtains, and as the cool collected *cough* stoner I am, I just picked up a towel and placed it over the bowl and kept it tight around it, and the fire ofcourse whent out (and the BHO at the bottom of the small container was still smokeable) but honestly had I not been there the curtains would most likely had caught on fire, the fire department would have been called, and his rather large grow exposed
So ALWAYS make BHO outdoors, or atleast in a VERY ventilated room with no ignition sources near, in this case it turned out as a fun story that I can mock him with for years, but you might not be as lucky, you could either burn your house down or your face off...
Well he ran the bhutane through the tube and into a small container that he placed in a larger container with hot water and then luckily steps back, cause the electric water boiler thingie turns off and makes a spark, all I hear from the living room is a WOOSH and see a yellow light, and hear him going OH FUCK! come into the kitchen and their is a huge fire in the sink about to ignite the curtains, and as the cool collected *cough* stoner I am, I just picked up a towel and placed it over the bowl and kept it tight around it, and the fire ofcourse whent out (and the BHO at the bottom of the small container was still smokeable) but honestly had I not been there the curtains would most likely had caught on fire, the fire department would have been called, and his rather large grow exposed
So ALWAYS make BHO outdoors, or atleast in a VERY ventilated room with no ignition sources near, in this case it turned out as a fun story that I can mock him with for years, but you might not be as lucky, you could either burn your house down or your face off...
Darwinism
I have ONLY made BHO indoors and take every precaution required to make it 100% safe.
I have multiple fire extinguishers around as well if anything out of the norm happens.
People who do not do this let them die. If they hurt neighbors and other unsuspecting people I don't know what to tell ya, it comes down to individual freedoms and rights and I wont take those away.
I have ONLY made BHO indoors and take every precaution required to make it 100% safe.
I have multiple fire extinguishers around as well if anything out of the norm happens.
People who do not do this let them die. If they hurt neighbors and other unsuspecting people I don't know what to tell ya, it comes down to individual freedoms and rights and I wont take those away.
"So ALWAYS make BHO outdoors, or atleast in a VERY ventilated room with no ignition sources near..."
Grow room ventilation techniques are way too iffy, using a fan to circulate the room air and another to gradually push or pull the diluted butane/air from the room is not adequate imo. Understand the whys and hows of a fume hood AND THEN GO OUTSIDE TO EXTRACT!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fume_hood
Good discussion...peace
Grow room ventilation techniques are way too iffy, using a fan to circulate the room air and another to gradually push or pull the diluted butane/air from the room is not adequate imo. Understand the whys and hows of a fume hood AND THEN GO OUTSIDE TO EXTRACT!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fume_hood
Good discussion...peace
So you take every precaution do ya? You make open blasting indoors 100% safe huh? Do You have sparkles drop vent hood that is completely sealed? static free clothes and shoes? Gas sensors to alert you if there is a dangerous concentration of gas in the lab? I'm willing to bet you have none of those.
And if innocent by standards such as children get injured that's ok because this comes down to individual freedom? Get the fuck outa here with that shit. You can be free and smart at the same time, not that difficult.
DO IT SAFE AND RIGHT OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL!
Hurry up and do some more, you won't be missed!
Our latest winner. Cops were actually due to raid on Monday, this was Sunday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_zAc46diFo&feature=player_embedded
Massive amounts of butane, assault rifle and pit bull discovered in debris of exploded house
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsila...iscovered-as-authorities-sift-through-debris/
Officials who have been sifting through the debris of the house that exploded Sunday in Ypsilanti Township have made several interesting discoveries, officials said Tuesday.
Ypsilanti Township Fire Marshal Vic Chevrette, who was still at the scene Tuesday afternoon, said officials discovered hundreds of boxes containing thousands of 15-ounce canisters of butane, which is still being investigated as a cause of the explosion.
An assault rifle and bags of marijuana were taken away from the home on Gattegno Street Monday, as was a pit bull, who was trapped underneath a collapsed wall but rescued by authorities, Chevrette said.
The 25-year-old man who fled from the home with his clothes on fire remains at U-M Hospital, where he was listed Monday in critical condition.
The woman and infant seen running from the home are still unaccounted for, Chevrette said.
The investigation into what caused the fire continued Tuesday, but a large cache of butane might be the cause. Officials said drug dealers use the butane to essentially extract THC from all parts of the marijuana plant to make what is called hash oil.
Butane-extracted hash oil is emerging in stoner culture as a way to achieve an intense high, described as “cosmically baked,” according to a June 2013 Rolling Stone article.
It also can be easily made at home: Marijuana is packed into a tube and a solvent, such as butane, is forced through it.
The liquid is collected and the solvent is evaporated — leaving a highly concentrated THC-laced resin that can vary in its final consistency from hard crystals to earwax-like goop.
The majority of the canisters were found in the garage, where the hash oil-making process was definitely going on, Chevrette said.
Authorities were still sifting through the rubble Tuesday to see if it was also going on in the basement, which could have caused the house to explode from something as simple as lighting a cigarette, Chevrette said.
“This house was pretty tight,” he added.
One of the implements related to making the hash oil was already located in the basement, leading authorities to believe there was some butane in the house as well as the garage.
But officials are not ruling out other possible causes of the fire, many of which are also related to the 25-year-old man's alleged marijuana grow operation, which was scheduled to be raided along with 21 other location across southeast Michigan Monday morning.
The house blew up before a search warrant could be executed, police said.
Chevrette said any number of items recovered by officials could be related to the explosion: the water heater, the hydroponic grow lights, furnace and the grow operation's filtration system.
The cause has been narrowed down to the butane or to natural gas inside the home, not in the gas lines leading to it, Chevrette said. A final determination of the cause should be made within a week, he said.
Michigan State Police continue to investigate. They could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday afternoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_zAc46diFo&feature=player_embedded
Massive amounts of butane, assault rifle and pit bull discovered in debris of exploded house
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsila...iscovered-as-authorities-sift-through-debris/
Officials who have been sifting through the debris of the house that exploded Sunday in Ypsilanti Township have made several interesting discoveries, officials said Tuesday.
Ypsilanti Township Fire Marshal Vic Chevrette, who was still at the scene Tuesday afternoon, said officials discovered hundreds of boxes containing thousands of 15-ounce canisters of butane, which is still being investigated as a cause of the explosion.
An assault rifle and bags of marijuana were taken away from the home on Gattegno Street Monday, as was a pit bull, who was trapped underneath a collapsed wall but rescued by authorities, Chevrette said.
The 25-year-old man who fled from the home with his clothes on fire remains at U-M Hospital, where he was listed Monday in critical condition.
The woman and infant seen running from the home are still unaccounted for, Chevrette said.
The investigation into what caused the fire continued Tuesday, but a large cache of butane might be the cause. Officials said drug dealers use the butane to essentially extract THC from all parts of the marijuana plant to make what is called hash oil.
Butane-extracted hash oil is emerging in stoner culture as a way to achieve an intense high, described as “cosmically baked,” according to a June 2013 Rolling Stone article.
It also can be easily made at home: Marijuana is packed into a tube and a solvent, such as butane, is forced through it.
The liquid is collected and the solvent is evaporated — leaving a highly concentrated THC-laced resin that can vary in its final consistency from hard crystals to earwax-like goop.
The majority of the canisters were found in the garage, where the hash oil-making process was definitely going on, Chevrette said.
Authorities were still sifting through the rubble Tuesday to see if it was also going on in the basement, which could have caused the house to explode from something as simple as lighting a cigarette, Chevrette said.
“This house was pretty tight,” he added.
One of the implements related to making the hash oil was already located in the basement, leading authorities to believe there was some butane in the house as well as the garage.
But officials are not ruling out other possible causes of the fire, many of which are also related to the 25-year-old man's alleged marijuana grow operation, which was scheduled to be raided along with 21 other location across southeast Michigan Monday morning.
The house blew up before a search warrant could be executed, police said.
Chevrette said any number of items recovered by officials could be related to the explosion: the water heater, the hydroponic grow lights, furnace and the grow operation's filtration system.
The cause has been narrowed down to the butane or to natural gas inside the home, not in the gas lines leading to it, Chevrette said. A final determination of the cause should be made within a week, he said.
Michigan State Police continue to investigate. They could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday afternoon.
i'm a great believer in individual freedom, i'll go so far as to say that my freedom is more important then a lot of things, but the line is reached when your freedom leads to harming someone else in their freedom. so if you are in the middle of the country with no neighbors and no family or pets, go ahead and blast inside. but my bet is if you live in the sticks you will blast outside anyway, it's those in apartments or close quarter living arrangements that are trying to hide inside and blast, so this is nothing to do with personal freedom and liberty. your rights are only valid in so far as you do not infringe on another mans rights, and risking blowing them up is definitely and infringement on other peoples rights. so bringing your rights up is also not applicable even from a freeman or pure constitutional point of view.
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furrywall11
Member
Well, it's pretty hot in here... But, I'll ask anyway. I have a garage with concrete floors and a large opening door. I was planning on setting up my MKIII type extraction machine on a table in front of the garage door (no neighbors), opening the door, running fans behind the table forcing the air out the open garage door into basically empty space with no houses or sources of electricity near it. Sounds safe to me, what ya'll think? Also, it's very dry out here I couldn't really afford to have even a small fire of any sort. Thanks!
