micro breeding question?

[Jaymer]

will a micro grow style breeding project to make seeds alter or hinder genetics in any way? i'm losing the feeling that the seeds will replicate similar f2's f3's time and time again. is it a good idea to use micro grow seed runs once or more as a way to obtain a large numbers of seeds?

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

Environmental conditions wont cause genetic mutations, if that's what you mean. Genetic mutation is spontaneous and random. So genotype wont be effected.

What can happen is that the environment affects the plants phenotype and they dont show their true potential because of stress.

If your micro-cab is dialed in and your plants are the picture of health, size of grow room is irrelevant.

 

[Infinitesimal]

yeah but things like photoperiod, light angle and light spectrum all play with the phenotype and over generations of selection will change the strain.
I was just wondering about this myself though, and i;d like some answers as well.
like what about cfl's, if i make my selections under hid or outdoor and then run the selected cutting under cfl to make beans is the phenotypic change going to effect the epigenome passed on to the offspring and mean that the offspring would posses different traits than were selected for?
I know the genotype would stay the same (Aabb) but the way the gene's function under stress can be passed on as well, like maybe the developing embryo along with its mother live in and adapt to their hypothetical home under cfl's and time spent in that environment could maybe lead to an affinity to cfl light or that spectrum of light for intance.
so is it possible the seeds grown under the sun or hid might not perform as well as they would have under cfl's due to the gestation time spent in that environment and the epigenetic effect? i don't really know these are all questions except for the first sentence.


peace,
Infi

 

[shawkmon]

if yer makin seeds to grow under cfl, make yer descisions based on plants grown under cfl, or just get a sd ibl male and have some strong potent weed.
seems yer makin it to complicated. think forest gump , simple is best !

 

[bugman52]

iv;e used micrio grow for seed runs it's works just fine, if u can grow a good run in micro grow

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Jaymer

Make your seeds. Make a lot of them. Every one you pop is like opening a Christmas present.

 

[gloryoskie]

Yup, once I tossed all the males, now I look
for them.

Seeds in a micro are wonderful, lots to explore.
Label everything, take notes. Also, seeded bud
can be a very tasty smoke!

 

[Relentless]

not sure what u consider micro.. i guess that would be like a computer case or somethin.. i use a 2x2 with a 150w hps and exhaust hooked up for my breeding chamber.

 

[Donald Mallard]

will a micro grow style breeding project to make seeds alter or hinder genetics in any way? i'm losing the feeling that the seeds will replicate similar f2's f3's time and time again. is it a good idea to use micro grow seed runs once or more as a way to obtain a large numbers of seeds?

I cant see how it would make a difference ,
are you concerned they might not perform as well in other environments ??
select what suits you and your grow space ,
the seeds you make will still grow fine outdoors...

cannabis is a tough plant ,,
it can adapt well to new environments,

im guessing small changes over time due to selection whether it is by man or nature will make the plant favour its new environement,
but it wont stop it growing elsewhere and being able to re adapt to a new environment ...

 

[Jaymer]

Jaymer

Make your seeds. Make a lot of them. Every one you pop is like opening a Christmas present.

good point, lot's of breedswork for presents holmes.

not sure what u consider micro.. i guess that would be like a computer case or somethin.. i use a 2x2 with a 150w hps and exhaust hooked up for my breeding chamber.

I've used cfls for veg and then separate them(m/f) outside. pulled a couple hundred seeds, the seeds get a little too dirty and moldy though, a 2x2 chamber might work well, I have a box built I just need to install lights and vents.

Seeds in a micro are wonderful, lots to explore.
Label everything, take notes. Also, seeded bud
can be a very tasty smoke!

Yeah the added hormones could make the weed taste a little different, and possibly better. Micro style is a multifaceted smorgasbord with the led's and cfls nowadays.

im guessing small changes over time due to selection whether it is by man or nature will make the plant favour its new environement,
but it wont stop it growing elsewhere and being able to re adapt to a new environment ...

well, that's mainly what I was concerned about, trying out micro seeds in bulk, then test small groups, or vice versa.

 

[Josef_K]

yeah but things like photoperiod, light angle and light spectrum all play with the phenotype and over generations of selection will change the strain.
I was just wondering about this myself though, and i;d like some answers as well.
like what about cfl's, if i make my selections under hid or outdoor and then run the selected cutting under cfl to make beans is the phenotypic change going to effect the epigenome passed on to the offspring and mean that the offspring would posses different traits than were selected for?
I know the genotype would stay the same (Aabb) but the way the gene's function under stress can be passed on as well, like maybe the developing embryo along with its mother live in and adapt to their hypothetical home under cfl's and time spent in that environment could maybe lead to an affinity to cfl light or that spectrum of light for intance.
so is it possible the seeds grown under the sun or hid might not perform as well as they would have under cfl's due to the gestation time spent in that environment and the epigenetic effect? i don't really know these are all questions except for the first sentence.


peace,
Infi

Climate is changing every year, soil conditions also, even bird migrations, and moon position! And plants change with them! Genetic selection isn't something that happens sometimes, g. selection is happening right now and you can't stop it. So, under sun light, CFL, HID or Led every generation, like it or not, you will be always selecting. So after many generations, there will be genes who will be lost, but this is inevitable, 'cause life is like that, life is change and I don't see the problem. Like it or not, we have to be part of it, the rational part in all this process. When I work landraces my only personal commitment with the strain is to keep inbreding. And as a farmer try to do my best for purge the line out of intersexuality, weaky and poor indivuduals. And that's it. I can't do nothing else.

(Always talking about general epigenetic and not random mutations whose mechanism I ignore)

Salut!