yeah good shit takes days to dry... which just makes for a better cure anyways.
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Does everyone understand that cookies came from a hermie?
- Thread starter Treetroit City
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it's funny because it's true...
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BasementGrower
I wish there was good GSC seeds out there.. but like every VERY AMAZING CLONE ONLY.. its not worth buying seeds until its been around for a year or two..
bluntmassa
Member
only problem is not many breeders will sell it for a reasonable price and the amount of seeds you'd need to run to find something like the original cut it will cost you a good chunk of change as the original cut is more then likely not true breeding which is why its a clone-only strain in the first place.
It would be great if we got someone selling tissue cultures internationally as that would be just as good as getting a cut. I really hope thats what Chimera's working on but whatever he's got brewing up I want. lol
I'm ok with you but lot of breeder will loose money so don't think to see that one day.
Would expect to find a good representation within thirty S1,s , priced at say 40 dollars for ten.
Its exactly what i would do with any clone or sport that i found.
If its that distinctive i dont want it watered down with other lines , and certainly not ones with issues themselves.
Seems reasonable as nothing involved past throwing silver on the clone , no breeding skills or selection required and a race to the bottom on price.
Not keen on buying six packs of that clone crossed to some male that worked previously at a hundred dollars a pack to have those thirty girls to select from.
Some of these crosses sound like they were done more for a marketable catchy name than true worth.
Greenhouse Cookies is inevitable , might as well beat them to it.
Its exactly what i would do with any clone or sport that i found.
If its that distinctive i dont want it watered down with other lines , and certainly not ones with issues themselves.
Seems reasonable as nothing involved past throwing silver on the clone , no breeding skills or selection required and a race to the bottom on price.
Not keen on buying six packs of that clone crossed to some male that worked previously at a hundred dollars a pack to have those thirty girls to select from.
Some of these crosses sound like they were done more for a marketable catchy name than true worth.
Greenhouse Cookies is inevitable , might as well beat them to it.
Well... Cookie Monster DID live in a trash can.
ya.. supposedly a lot of these og's are s1's o s2s.. i could give a rats ass, as long as there arent nanners in early flower and seeds.. this stuff is fire..
btw im about to harrvest some seeds of gsc f cut x fire og bx1 i made.. im making a gsc bx1 asap, and prob will continue to bx2 and 3.. about to harvest fire og bx2 seeds and the white x fire og bx1
. cant wait to work these lines
btw im about to harrvest some seeds of gsc f cut x fire og bx1 i made.. im making a gsc bx1 asap, and prob will continue to bx2 and 3.. about to harvest fire og bx2 seeds and the white x fire og bx1
. cant wait to work these lines
bluntmassa
Member
ya A lot of the S1 breeders will loose out along with the pollen chuckers and fem breeders. But A few companies will thrive sensi seeds, serious seeds, mr. nice, Tom hill, DJ Short etc. cause a lot of us are not gonna want to smoke and grow the same stuff as everyone and their brother and just the breeders with proven quality seed lines will get the majority of seed sales and the others will go bankrupt cause the ones buying for hype will jump on the tissue cultures but others breeders will pump them out as well they'll just be a bit behind.
Not trying to knock your thread thirdcoast but didn't you post in the cookiewreck hermie thread about your strains coming out hermaphrodite? But then you make a thread that people shouldn't cry? Actually here is your post from that thread. "Hearing many story about hermies coming out of CV seed. Had a Dawg Jam 91 I had to trash cause of mass male flowers.
But then the 91 is known so...
Guess that is what untested seeds will get you."
What did Cannaventure send you some freebies? To change your mind? Also not for nothing but if you are gonna charge over 100.00 for a pack your gear should be tested. Just seems as though cv is trying to cash in on the cookie hype before the next so called "elite" cutting is released and nobody wants cookies anymore or they aren't selling as quickly anymore but I guess you really can't call yourself a true breeder when you pollen chuck and release the genetics anyone can do that a true breeder will work the line to try to prevent all those hermie traits. I am not taking anyone's side on this argument because I never grew cv gear so I cannot comment on there genetics and IMO they do have some appealing strains that I would buy but let's not confuse pollen chucking with a true breeder lets call a spade a spade. Also if there are a bunch of people running the same gear and most are getting hermies and alot of people aren't then they have to check there grow conditions because I don't see how the whole line wouldn't hermie so that's why I am not taking sides on this debate just think that cv should test there gear being that they sell it for so high like I said we can all pollen chuck it's easy. Also third coast I am not trying to fight with you or argue with you but you did post that in the hermi gsc thread about cv then you make your own thread about people crying well why didn't you post that in the gsc hermie thread?
But then the 91 is known so...
Guess that is what untested seeds will get you."
What did Cannaventure send you some freebies? To change your mind? Also not for nothing but if you are gonna charge over 100.00 for a pack your gear should be tested. Just seems as though cv is trying to cash in on the cookie hype before the next so called "elite" cutting is released and nobody wants cookies anymore or they aren't selling as quickly anymore but I guess you really can't call yourself a true breeder when you pollen chuck and release the genetics anyone can do that a true breeder will work the line to try to prevent all those hermie traits. I am not taking anyone's side on this argument because I never grew cv gear so I cannot comment on there genetics and IMO they do have some appealing strains that I would buy but let's not confuse pollen chucking with a true breeder lets call a spade a spade. Also if there are a bunch of people running the same gear and most are getting hermies and alot of people aren't then they have to check there grow conditions because I don't see how the whole line wouldn't hermie so that's why I am not taking sides on this debate just think that cv should test there gear being that they sell it for so high like I said we can all pollen chuck it's easy. Also third coast I am not trying to fight with you or argue with you but you did post that in the hermi gsc thread about cv then you make your own thread about people crying well why didn't you post that in the gsc hermie thread?
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FreakyFarmer
Tissue culture in my opinion isn't for retailing but for true collecting and preservation of strain selections.........when something is needed for a run or breeding just preplan and 8+ weeks later your roots are ready to establish a healthier plant than what tissue came from, and that in itself is well worth root establishment time, so selling tissue cultures wouldnt make any sense to me, but than again I'm one of those clone and seed hoarders and won't sel shit to just anyone, friends and local farmers are the only considered, and tissue culture allows us to library , store, and hoard much more than ever before
that's cool that you put that/this out there; not only does it show the risks involved but it also is testament to the fact that a lot of breeders aren't willing or do put in the work that they need to with the strains that they are working on or with.
im not up on the COOKIES strain, but the fact that you said it comes from hermie genetics makes it something not worthy to be bothered with.
yeah your right, don't need to bitch about something once given all the facts about it, best not to even deal with that bullshit.
I am in the market to buy seeds as of late but im seriously doing my research/homework about breeders and their methods of bringing their strains to stability and what they do to detect/test for progeny; once again thanks for the heads up
Not sure that tissue culture has much use for many of us , given the high standards of cleanliness and detailed processes involved , certainly less safe and reliable for me than keeping mothers and passing out the best for possible recall later , rather than hoarding it.
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BasementGrower
if strains weren't hoarded we would still have all the originals mothers and fathers around to make the original seeds.. and we wouldn't have this reworked bullshit that's harder to find a keeper in twice as many packs as b4..
I hear you on the CHIMERA gear, ive started/been watching a couple threads on breeding and his methods are worthy of a following, prices are descent too, definitely want some of his gear TOMHILL as well
from what they've added to my and other ppls threads about the topic of what it takes to breed quality genetics im sold.
green thumbs
Member
Cookies are WAY overrated to much people trying to cash in on the "cookies" clones and finished product alike.
Not saying it isnt good, its just theres way better strains out there
Not saying it isnt good, its just theres way better strains out there
What currently available strains would you say are better? I prefer a more sativa high overall, but cookies are one of the best I've tried for the kind of high it brings. I need to start trying more strains.
green thumbs
Member
The OG's, sour diesel, haze strains just to name a few. Get away from the hype and open your options to other strains.
are you sure ? do I need to post a pic of her again, lol.
I agree with third though, you know there is a chance of herms , its your grow and your money, if you are that desperate for it buy it. just be prepared
Swampwater
Member
Why hasn't CannaVenture been moved to the 'Untested' section of seedbay? Seriously- Why are some 'breeders' allowed to sell untested seeds in their regular section without labeling them untested and some aren't?
CVS is breeding untested parents left & right and taking the offspring straight to the market at $100 a pack. Its bad enough selling untested seeds without labeling them as such, but when you breed the parents without even growing them out & testing them first? thats messed up. Of course there's hermie reports everywhere, what do you expect? . And what's worse is they have the nerve to put up strain descriptions as if they actually grew the seeds out, knowing damn well they didn't.
Yes- I know- some people have grown out the gear without getting hermies- but hell, if you throw enough shit at the wall some of its bound to stick.
As far as I'm concerned- if a breeder can't provide photos of the strain for sale- it's untested. (And putting up photos of the parents doesn't count- or in CVS's case- descriptions based on what they assume the strain will be like based on the parents).
But what does it matter anyway- as long as folks keep buying them, They'll keep doing that shit. And who am I to tell people what they should or shouldn't buy.
I just don't think it's fair to the other breeders who put in the time testing parents and offspring and do it the right way.
CVS is breeding untested parents left & right and taking the offspring straight to the market at $100 a pack. Its bad enough selling untested seeds without labeling them as such, but when you breed the parents without even growing them out & testing them first? thats messed up. Of course there's hermie reports everywhere, what do you expect? . And what's worse is they have the nerve to put up strain descriptions as if they actually grew the seeds out, knowing damn well they didn't.
Yes- I know- some people have grown out the gear without getting hermies- but hell, if you throw enough shit at the wall some of its bound to stick.
As far as I'm concerned- if a breeder can't provide photos of the strain for sale- it's untested. (And putting up photos of the parents doesn't count- or in CVS's case- descriptions based on what they assume the strain will be like based on the parents).
But what does it matter anyway- as long as folks keep buying them, They'll keep doing that shit. And who am I to tell people what they should or shouldn't buy.
I just don't think it's fair to the other breeders who put in the time testing parents and offspring and do it the right way.
