how bout this breaking news:
http://www.coloradomedicalmarijuanapatient.com/images/issues/janes.pdf
http://www.coloradomedicalmarijuanapatient.com/images/issues/janes.pdf
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Colorado Growers Thread
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SooperSmurph
A marijuana ponzi scheme? wtf?
Check page 24, looks like they would have been taken down even if they weren't stealing people's money.
Not to mention over $110,000 in sales tax dollars!
Well I found the word "enclosed" in the CRS. Funny the 'Task Force' didn't think to look in the Criminal Code section as it pertains to Real Property.
CRS 18-4-503 : Second degree criminal trespass
(1) A person commits the crime of second degree criminal trespass if such person:
(a) Unlawfully enters or remains in or upon the premises of another which are enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders or are fenced; or
(b) Knowingly and unlawfully enters or remains in or upon the common areas of a hotel, motel, condominium, or apartment building; or
(c) Knowingly and unlawfully enters or remains in a motor vehicle of another.
18-4-504. Third degree criminal trespass
(1) A person commits the crime of third degree criminal trespass if such person unlawfully enters or remains in or upon premises of another.
(2) Third degree criminal trespass is a class 1 petty offense, but:
(a) It is a class 3 misdemeanor if the premises have been classified by the county assessor for the county in which the land is situated as agricultural land pursuant to section 39-1-102 (1.6), C.R.S.; and
(b) It is a class 5 felony if the person trespasses on premises so classified as agricultural land with the intent to commit a felony thereon.
http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/colorado/
So fuck'em! They scoured the CRS to find the word 'enclosed' in the best light possible for them. But it doesn't have a peg leg to stand on when the definition is applied in the context of Real Property.
They will throw out obscure statues and verdicts to scare you. Knowing full well that you are 'too busy' to do your 'due diligence' as a citizen in a Democracy (Representative Republic) and question their stats/sources/motives...
Just please people, do a little more reading before you pull a HawkHazard.
You're probably right. We'll see how local authorities deal with the thousands of outdoor Colorado grows that are undoubtedly taking place. I suspect that discretion is likely the better part of valor, at least for the time being. 12' trees sticking up over the privacy fence ain't it, that's for sure.
I also think that it's important that people who are busted get competent defense in court, so a legal defense fund and/or ACLU involvement seems like a very good idea. People copping to a reduced charge or sentence sets a very bad precedent.
I'm not much of a legal scholar. I've been trying to find out what the penalties are for various infractions of the new rules w/o much luck, just for the sake of curiosity.
Do you know?
Thanks!
Very, very smart. It means that Colorado law enforcement can't touch you for growing. If you're engaged in it as a commercial venture, the risks don't change on that.
Hell- Gettogrow's rig is Colorado legal for a couple. OTOH, if they found you doing that, they'd probably keep the stinkeye on you forever, particularly in some of the more "conservative" (authoritarian) jurisdictions.
Technically, a couple could have 6 flowering plants and 6 non-flowering mother plants of different varieties.
What shall we grow this time, Honey? The Neville's, the Lavender, or? Maple Leaf? Destroyer? Something new from the seed store? Let's sit in the hot tub, smoke one, & figure it out, OK?
The whole thing is really pretty amazing.
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SooperSmurph
Tis wonderful, and I don't know why people think as an industry member legalization doesn't benefit me as much as the person who wants to grow in his backyard.
Countless people don't want to grow in their backyards, many have tried and failed, home brew beer is almost always better in quality yet people continue to buy everything from budweiser to stella, suddenly my market includes all those "beer drinkers", how is that not awesome for me?
Home growers will be sharing their herbs with their friends, awesome! Those home growers will run out that much sooner and need to come into the shop to tide themselves over between harvests
Countless people don't want to grow in their backyards, many have tried and failed, home brew beer is almost always better in quality yet people continue to buy everything from budweiser to stella, suddenly my market includes all those "beer drinkers", how is that not awesome for me?
Home growers will be sharing their herbs with their friends, awesome! Those home growers will run out that much sooner and need to come into the shop to tide themselves over between harvests
Tis wonderful, and I don't know why people think as an industry member legalization doesn't benefit me as much as the person who wants to grow in his backyard.
Countless people don't want to grow in their backyards, many have tried and failed, home brew beer is almost always better in quality yet people continue to buy everything from budweiser to stella, suddenly my market includes all those "beer drinkers", how is that not awesome for me?
Home growers will be sharing their herbs with their friends, awesome! Those home growers will run out that much sooner and need to come into the shop to tide themselves over between harvests
I think you're mostly right. A % of home growers will achieve market independence, however. It's my goal.
OTOH, it'd be nice to be able to purchase samples of various varieties as a guide to seed purchases, or to create some variety in what one has to smoke... It'd be nice to try, say, Neville's haze before spending many moons trying to grow some...
home growers will network and not need the stores.... only go to the stores they know and trust will have safe clean quality product and only because they WANT some variety not NEED it cause they are "dry".
There are plenty of non-growing users than will keep the stores propped up, i believe.
that's how i see it going down.... how it's been for me for the last few years...
kinda the opposite of how home brewing goes....
i think the stigma of cannabis is going to make MANY MORE people grow than ever have, because they have been forbidden to do so for SO MANY GENERATIONS. I've given away MANY MANY plants to first time growers this season, all because they can legally have 6 per adult now.
I doubt all these newbs will grow outstanding product, but some will, and hopefully they will hit me up to trade some flavs.
There are plenty of non-growing users than will keep the stores propped up, i believe.
that's how i see it going down.... how it's been for me for the last few years...
kinda the opposite of how home brewing goes....
i think the stigma of cannabis is going to make MANY MORE people grow than ever have, because they have been forbidden to do so for SO MANY GENERATIONS. I've given away MANY MANY plants to first time growers this season, all because they can legally have 6 per adult now.
I doubt all these newbs will grow outstanding product, but some will, and hopefully they will hit me up to trade some flavs.
dragging hooks
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That is exactly what we have
when a plant comes down a veg plant takes it's place and I cut a clone from it before it goes into flower
strictly for personal use at home with the car keys put away
they want it treated like booze and that is what we are doing
I toss our son a sack every now and then
I am digging being a law abiding citizen for the first time since 1969
In the modern age with 'Ctrl+F',
anyone can at the very least become minimally educated with case law and existing statutes.
It's called getting educated and forming your own opinion.
It's called being a small business owner.
Or, like most Americans, you can sacrifice you rights in the name of convenience by way of others interpretations and the fear they spread. Namely, the Task Force. Which itself is heavily scrutinized by many more progressive politicians at the Capitol. Of course, General Hickenlooper being of the Alcohol Lobby gives them his blessing...I wonder how many drunks have left the Wynkoop in their cars over the years??? I know I did.
But their shenanigans will last only so long when the professional investors get involved, tearing through their shit with a fine tooth comb and the general public gets more used to these new liquor stores opening up.
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SooperSmurph
Just out of curiousity Av, where is the "home brewers" network undermining the efforts of big beer?
I think you might be overestimating the suddden organization of people by their shared enjoyment of a legal recreational intoxicant.
The market will grow and evolve for everyone, just enjoy supplying that demand instead of hoping someone else's part of the market disappears.
I think you might be overestimating the suddden organization of people by their shared enjoyment of a legal recreational intoxicant.
The market will grow and evolve for everyone, just enjoy supplying that demand instead of hoping someone else's part of the market disappears.
smurph; im not saying that the industry of pot shops will be undermined by home growers, on the contrary, i believe increased regulations will make it more difficult for homegrowers (HOPE I'm wrong) & that over time potshops will get better, cream will naturally rise to the top; the shitty ones will close, the crooked ones will get busted by mmed or the feds, also tourism dollars are gonna keep potshops in biz along with peeps who can't or don't want to grow.
I look forward to the unfolding of the cannabis industry in Colorado, I'm sure there will be plenty of slices of pie for growers in different situations as time goes on. *hope i don't come off sounding "anti dispensary" or like im hoping for anyone to be regulated out of the market at all... I think as it is now anyone who wants to grow can and should, and hopefully over time that will be a trend in the future.
Alcohol doesn't have this "forbidden fruit syndrome" like cannabis does. check it - first time in GENERaTIONS that we can grow our own herb legally, even in 6 plant quantities that's an amazing freedom that's just NOW been granted,
on the contrary
alcohol is inborn in our culture. the beer industry is much more established (even with the whole micro-brew thing going on now) than the "cannabis industry" could hope to be at the moment, at least.
during alcohol prohibition only manufacture, distribution, trafficking and were prosecuted, not simple possession, like the guy holding a drink (spliff).
cannabis prohibition has always been much more hardcore than the prohibition of alcohol ever was (temporarily).
I look forward to the unfolding of the cannabis industry in Colorado, I'm sure there will be plenty of slices of pie for growers in different situations as time goes on. *hope i don't come off sounding "anti dispensary" or like im hoping for anyone to be regulated out of the market at all... I think as it is now anyone who wants to grow can and should, and hopefully over time that will be a trend in the future.
Alcohol doesn't have this "forbidden fruit syndrome" like cannabis does. check it - first time in GENERaTIONS that we can grow our own herb legally, even in 6 plant quantities that's an amazing freedom that's just NOW been granted,
on the contrary
alcohol is inborn in our culture. the beer industry is much more established (even with the whole micro-brew thing going on now) than the "cannabis industry" could hope to be at the moment, at least.
during alcohol prohibition only manufacture, distribution, trafficking and were prosecuted, not simple possession, like the guy holding a drink (spliff).
cannabis prohibition has always been much more hardcore than the prohibition of alcohol ever was (temporarily).
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Interesting perspective. A great deal of the future of Colorado MJ depends on the Feds. If they'll tolerate retail MJ, the industry will flourish. If not, then the games will continue.
The provisions of A64 that allow for unregistered home growing are the wildcard in the whole thing, the part that will really stymie any attempts at repressive control. Colorado law enforcement has little power in that regard, and the Feds have always depended on locals for enforcement. They also depend on the willingness of juries to convict, which may prove lacking, given that federal juries are drawn from the metro Denver/Boulder area. That's where support for A64 is strongest.
I figure that if retail is successful then Medical MJ will rapidly become a thing of the past. No exam, no card, no renewal fees, no bullshit games. I also think that we'll see lawsuit if requirements for MJ are much more restrictive than those for alcohol- the fees & licensing requirements will need to be similar to comply with the stated purpose of A64.
The issues surrounding outdoor cultivation will have an enormous impact on outcomes, both for home growers & commercial growers. Would a giant greenhouse or a 40 acre plot surrounded by a solid 12' fence be "out of public view"? If they are, then growing indoors under lights will become extremely non-competitive. Irrigated farmland all along the Arkansas river valley would provide excellent MJ cultivation, having an extended dry fall season most years. Outdoor Spanish varieties would likely do very, very well.
Seeded pot could very well stage a big comeback because of full utilization of the plant's potential- producers get kief, edible seed & fiber from the same harvest. If pot moves outdoors, price competition will be ruthless, and that extra margin could easily make or break producers.
It's been a little odd for me, coming back to MJ after many years of abstinence. One of the strangest things about it is that younger smokers have often never had the pleasure of smoking really good seeded pot. I always thought that it had a more complex high, better tawny flavor & smoother smoke than sinsemilla. It's where traditional hash comes from, after all...
MJ abstinence??? WTF??? A64 is a step in the right direction... Veteran Growers will always have the edge. Cheeba Libre!!!!
We'll have to agree, to disagree on that one.
Also, plenty of hash farmers will slash males, eats into their hashish production. I'm sure you'd notice the yield difference on an acre by acre scale. Kinda like some grow the Chron, and others pump out bricks.
We'll have to agree, to disagree on that one.
Also, plenty of hash farmers will slash males, eats into their hashish production. I'm sure you'd notice the yield difference on an acre by acre scale. Kinda like some grow the Chron, and others pump out bricks.
I predict that one day, we'll have to have a 'smoke off' to decide that argument.
.......But then we'll probably forget the results and have to do it over. 
I'm lookign forward to it.
Jjohn: SSSSShhhhhhhh!!!! bout the Ark. And then you'd need land with water rights on a ditch. lol
aceofspades
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On vacation, and I have been processing BHO and bubble for days now! deffinetely not all trim but I have to get rid of it. This frosty batch was blue hawaiin that has been curing for about 20 days and figured I would trim the stash down a bit and make some bubble. Having a sour brown ale as well, very interesting flavor. ANd theres a pic of st marys falls from back in May.
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We'll have to agree, to disagree on that one.
Also, plenty of hash farmers will slash males, eats into their hashish production. I'm sure you'd notice the yield difference on an acre by acre scale. Kinda like some grow the Chron, and others pump out bricks.
As I understand it, traditional Hashish cultures use seeded bud. Some may slash early males, I'm sure, but that's not universal. They're subsistence level (or nearly so) farmers in fairly remote regions, and they need to produce their own seed for next year's crop. Cannabis seed is highly nutritious, as well, both for humans & domestic animals.
Per gram weight, they don't even get nearly as much money for their product as we pay for seeds. Price increases exponentially as product moves from producer to consumer across international borders, and is a rich source of funding for graft all along the way.
I think you misunderstand. I toked as often as I could from 1967 until 1988. I was extremely involved & well connected through much of that, also growing both indoors & out at various times. I also drank & used cocaine to great excess, the combination of which nearly destroyed me. I had to change my whole life to survive, and I did. I went straight. In the process, I became disconnected from MJ sources, given that they were the same people I associated with for the rest of it. I married, raised a family, worked in an industry where mandatory random drug testing was initiated some years later. Getting high didn't seem to be worth it, all things considered.
Things have changed in the meanwhile, particularly with A64, internet seed banks & my pending retirement at the end of the year. I don't have to associate with the same self destructive people I did back then, and I won't have to put up with the indignity of piss tests, either. So long as I just grow my own, I doubt that the Feds will be interested in me, at all. That's the plan, staying Colorado legal.
I toke occasionally now, careful to have enough time before going back to work to pass a random test. I enjoy it as much as I ever did, maybe more, because I'm not concerned about being busted.
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