Anyone used the BioWave ?

[catalyte]

i just found a vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U9nlP0I8LY&list=UUnXxihb-IOJ0KutvM7kdvUQ&index=7&feature=plcp for a new product that Sunlight Supply is distributing apparently(???)... the video makes sense to me but i'm really wondering how much difference it makes?

Has anyone here used one of heard of any proof of this technology's effect on Hydroponic yields??

 

[krunchbubble]

what a great way to fork over more cash for some bullshit, snake oil product...

IMO of course....

 

[catalyte]

i haven't heard of it being a significant new technology here...

Krunch would already be onto it if it was real

 

[SensiBC]

I saw one of those at my local shop not too long back. It was sitting on the counter and caught my attention so I asked what it was. When he told me what it was I laughed. When he told me it was supposed to increase yield 20%, I laughed again. I forget how much he told me it retailed for, but it was well over a grand... certainly seemed laughable to me.

Last time I was in there I didn't see it on the counter, so I asked and he said it's currently being tested to see if it works. Not that I really trust him to be completely truthful since he's a reseller, but if it turns out that the thing actually works it's quite revolutionary.

People have always claimed that talking to your plants and/or leaving certain types of music playing in the growroom is beneficial... perhaps there is more to it than we thought.

...maybe I'll add a cheap subwoofer one of these days. lol

 

[farmdalefurr]

ill speak for everyone............ MONEY TRAP !!!!

for that much $, it better grow my plants, feed my plants, harvest my plants and give me a blowjob

 

[catalyte]

I saw one of those at my local shop not too long back. It was sitting on the counter and caught my attention so I asked what it was. When he told me what it was I laughed. When he told me it was supposed to increase yield 20%, I laughed again. I forget how much he told me it retailed for, but it was well over a grand... certainly seemed laughable to me.

Last time I was in there I didn't see it on the counter, so I asked and he said it's currently being tested to see if it works. Not that I really trust him to be completely truthful since he's a reseller, but if it turns out that the thing actually works it's quite revolutionary.

People have always claimed that talking to your plants and/or leaving certain types of music playing in the growroom is beneficial... perhaps there is more to it than we thought.

...maybe I'll add a cheap subwoofer one of these days. lol

there's definitely scientific evidence that plants respond to certain Frequencies or Sound Waves that stimulates the stomata opening and exchanging C02 with 02.... i'm just not convinced this product is worth the cash. I would just go for a decent portable stereo and a Peter Tosh CD....

i read evidence that the bass from reggae and dancehall works on plants best.... also read that heavy metal works well.... hahaha, definitely hard music, no classical!!

I haven't tried gangster rap yet, maybe that will toughen up my girls and gettem all fat and slutty!! LOLOL

 

[BrnCow]

$2400 will buy a lot of seeds or clones...sounds like a con job...

 

[Snagglepuss]

This sounds like a good/fun experiment...Maby ill rig up a computer outside my tent.And put some speakers in their transmitting the special frequencies.Youtube has all the different frequency tunes for meditation...

 

[Hydro-Soil]

there's definitely scientific evidence that plants respond to certain Frequencies or Sound Waves that stimulates the stomata opening and exchanging C02 with 02.... i'm just not convinced this product is worth the cash. I would just go for a decent portable stereo and a Peter Tosh CD....

i read evidence that the bass from reggae and dancehall works on plants best.... also read that heavy metal works well.... hahaha, definitely hard music, no classical!!

I haven't tried gangster rap yet, maybe that will toughen up my girls and gettem all fat and slutty!! LOLOL

From a purely physics point of view... the right frequencies would allow faster transport of the elements within the plant.

Think of a box full of packing peanuts with balls and bricks on the top. As you bang/vibrate the box... all the elements are much more free to move around. Of course, gravity pulls them to to bottom but you get the idea of freedom of movement available.

Whether this actually does what it says... Pbbbbt! I have no clue other than it's been out for a while in various forms and never 'taken off' like it's a miracle device.

Stay Safe!

 

[mtlakehydro]

KrunchBubble do you have to be so negative about a product that has been proven to work over and over year after year by very competent growers and scientists. I have read a lot of your posts and like most of what you have to say but you really should check into the facts about a product before you dismiss it. I also was very skeptical but upon researching the credibility and the proven science behind this product I have decided to represent the Biowave myself. I have over 20 years experience producing hydroponic crops for major buyers on the east coast . Buyers like Wegmans,Wies , and Wholefoods. I currently own the Hydroponic Consultancy.com company that offers professional consulting to beginner to experienced growers in the U.S. and internationally . I would be glad to answer any questions you have and I also will post the scientific data that proves this new technology really does work as claimed. Just think If I had a smart phone say 15-20 years back would that technology seem possible ? NO . Don't ever underestimate the power of inventions and new advances in technology or you will be left in the past. Im here to help not to bash or criticize anyone. Therefore I will answer any questions that are productive. As for the doubters and haters we will leave you to your own devices. Cheers

 

[OGShush]

On their wesbite under "science" the first test they have (after insect test) show brix reading of 11.4% for non biowave peaches and only 12.4 and 14.2%. I'd imagine the testing equipment to have a low margin of error, but the difference in results could be explained my many others things. I have to believe that anyone not trying to sell this advice would say the results were statistically insignificant given such a small sample (4 peaches). If you had a few hundred samples and consistently showed an increase in brix we might have something to discuss.

If you read the ten acre study they base their 12% increase off a PROJECTED yield of 400,000 pounds. Big surprise final yield was 453,000 pounds huh? I found it quite curious that the brix reading in tomatoes were nearly doubled when the peach readings increased by less than 20% versus control.

If these are proven to work, they definitely do not increase brix or yield across the board and the differences between peaches and tomatoes plus the methodology of testing is enough to make me skeptical. I appreciate the opinions of people on this site that use them, but regardless of your experience you must realize anecdotal evidence means jack shit. I read one guy claiming they got rid of his spider mites, something they aren't advertised to do, but I'm sure if we can convince people correlation = causation we'll sell a lot of units.

Hey mtlakehydro, you got any better studies than the bullshit they list on their poorly designed site? Have they tested these on hops plants? Not quite cannabis but I think the results would be much more applicable to our situation than a 20% brix increase in 1 sample out of 4 from some outdoor grown peaches, which tells me that they are willing to put up any study that shows promising results no matter how insignificant the differences or how flawed the methodology.

EDIT: hey guys I had a projected yield of 8 ounces last time, I got 10 ounces. I've been farting in a can and leaving it in my grow room overnight. That's a 20% increase versus my initial projections, so who wants to get in line to by my exclusive $60 per can bottle ass gas? I have graphs, please form an orderly line to the right.

 

[mtlakehydro]

OK you want another source backing up the Biowave.

I think most of us would agree that American Hydroponics has been a reliable company to order trusted products from over the last few decades. Well here is the companies statement about the Biowave.

American Hydroponics testimonial
“We used one in our grow room, and had some interesting results. Our Rudbeckia grew the thickest leaves we've seen with plentiful flower sites and robust flowers with thick petals. The Purple Opal Basil and Sweet Basil grew amazingly well with unusually big leaves and thick stems (under strictly HID light). A Purple Bell Pepper that just pumped out the peppers, faster than we've seen before... they were delicious, very sweet. Got 2 lbs of peppers off of one 24" pepper plant. That's extreme pepper production. The Reason this is so unusual is that under HID we never seem to get the robust full growth and terse leaf structure that we do in our greenhouses under natural light... though this wasn't a strict control experiment... it did make a big enough difference that we suspect that this technology really Works... it appears to improve plant vitality and quality of growth.”
-Michael
_______________________
Michael Christian, CEO President
AMERICAN HYDROPONICS
12
Tests on the Biowave.

 

[hvac guy]

If plants repsond to certain frequencies and SPL, then use woofers, midranges, and tweeters, between these three types of drivers, frequencies from 50 Hz to 20KHz can be produced just need a frequency generator.

 

[OGShush]

2 pounds of peppers off one 24" plant? Check out this pic from my gallery, it is a mini chocolate bell pepper plant in a solo cup of coco coir. It's not fully ripe yet (peppers still green) but I would guess I already have a pound of peppers on it and it's nowhere near 24" tall. I had to pile rocks on it so it doesn't tip over. The testimonial you gave me would fall under the realm of "anecdotal evidence" and it's not very convincing.



Don't take it the wrong way or anything, I'm not trying to be a prick here I'm just saying the results across the board are inconsistent and the plants studied so far aren't very similar to the plant we're all growing. Making a 12 to 20% claim in yield increase based on estimated yield from historical averages is complete bullshit.

Also, keep in mind that the statement you gave me was from a CEO of a company, not someone in research and development. I have friends that went to business school and if you asked them to explain something as simple as the nitrogen cycle they'd probably tell you it's magic because they flunked college bio, just sayin. Even the ones that didn't flunk college bio take fewer science classes than a freshman biology major. I can't tell you jack shit about credit default swaps but I know flawed methodology when I see it. I'd take anecdotal evidence from a PhD with a grain of salt, anecdotal evidence from a CEO is damn near useless. Would you go to the CEO of a large hospital and ask him to fix your broken leg?

 

[OGShush]

Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that American Hydroponics is a distributor for said product? If someone stands to make 10% of the product cost or more as a distributor their opinion is even less than useless it's marketing. Before anyone starts in on me not having any money I have plenty and trust me you don't accumulate it by blowing it on useless shit. I'd spend $1000 on shoes or glass or seeds before I'd spend it on something akin to a mechanized post modern art piece for my grow room.

If you have any studies on sounds of different frequencies eliciting responses in a certain species of plants I'm game to read it. If there's a patent application from these people I'll read it. Whatever you've got I'll sit down and waste my time to read and dissect for the benefit of the community. Please don't waste my time with statements from accountants and MBAs, I want to hear from someone with a scientific background not a businessman.

 

[mtlakehydro]

OGShush- I understand your skepticism. Lets look at this another way. With the internet websites are easily found about products when then are a scam. If you look up a certain product that people have been ripped off on you can find sites telling all about there horrible ordeal and how they are not satisfied.

The Biowave has no such site. Not 1 . Don't you find that curious?

Here is another testimonial from a reputable indoor gardening supplier.
And how long can these guys lie about products they deal with making a living everyday. It gets to a point where the bad guys get weeded out. That's called a reputation.

Now lets build the proper reputation for such a great new product that will help us yield more in smaller places.

In the indoor gardening industry, reputation is everything, that’s why I waited two years before submitting a testimonial on Biowave machines. I want to be sure of something before giving it my seal of approval. After observing and collecting feedback on numerous machines in different settings and with different growers, I can now announce with complete confidence that these devices DO work and their impact is SIGNIFICANT.

If you don’t believe all the studies out there that support this claim, then believe this: In a facility with genetically identical plants (clones) the Biowave makes everything more lush, more healthy and bear larger fruits and you can actually see these benefits increase from plant to plant the closer they are to the machine. In addition, BioWaves use minute amounts of energy. The ROI (return-on-investment) is one of the best in our industry. BioWaves easily pay for themselves in the yield upgrades they provide to your very first harvest. Initially, the design of the machine had some mechanical flaws, making them loud (especially upon start-up) and prone to failure. Biowave Industries addressed this issue and has since redesigned the internal workings. The machines are now reliable, smooth and best of all, QUIET! I highly recommend BioWaves for any commercial scale grower.

George Archambault - Owner
Mile Hydro
Lakewood, CO

 

[mtlakehydro]

Just to get the record straight the indoor unit that cover 500sqft are $ 1250.00 not $ 2400.00

 

[SooperSmurph]

Sonic Bloom didn't have a lot of fans, they had "plant frequencies" played in the background of several genres of music if I recall properly, so I can't imagine this new stuff faring well unless new research has come to light.

If you want a good sound track for your plants, play them heavy metal. Why? The many different sound types present in metal are more likely to carry those frequencies which plants respond to than a more pleasant but acoustically more limited piece.

 

[OGShush]

Mtlakehydro no disrespect but once again you provide me with the testimonial of a SALESMAN and not a SCIENTIST. Do you understand what I'm saying here? I don't care what hydro store owner or distributor or sales rep says it works. All that reflects is that people will buy it. Necessity is no longer the mother of invention, a good marketing department and some solid sales rep is all you need. Do you have any more studies or anything written by someone with a PhD in a related field that has a shred of credibility?

Also, the fact that there isn't a site disputing the BioWave claims isn't a solid indicator that the BioWave is legit, but rather a solid indicator that no one cares enough to seriously invest in debunking it. Further more it's hard to debunk something that is based on claims of salespeople and a few tests that don't seem too promising IMO. Without a full published proof and methodology all I can say is that the brix test with peaches lacks enough samples to be considered and that given the number of samples the % increase isn't beyond a normal statistical variation within a crop. On the tomato yield test I believe the methodology is flawed because the yield is based on projected numbers rather than a control group and a biowave group.

Now am I going to go out and purchase www.biowaveiscrap.com? No. Why? Because I don't give a shit. A fool and his money are separated every day, far be it from me to disturb the natural order of the universe. I was only commenting on the lack of reputable information and the reputability of the available information. If you have a hard time understanding that and want to quote me another hydro store owner, please save your finger energy to count money.

 

[mtlakehydro]

Dr Lynette Morgan PhD – Scientific Director
Simon Lennard M.Hort.Sc – Technical Director

Here are 2 Scientists that are well known and have a very long standing reputation in the hydroponic community that have studied the Biowave and stand behind it with plenty of scientific research.