Using heads method. Read 50'pages still a tip

[torealforthcbay]

I'm having great growth for sure but my pots are drying out after 10 hours or so. 1 gal pots 18/6 light cycle.

When I feed twice a day at 6/9 the leaves crinkle, the girls don't like it.
Is 1/2 strength recommended if feeding twice a day?

Also they could be greener on top but no signes of nute def in the lower leaves. Maybe I've just been over feeding in the past but I'm used to super green leaves

Thanks for any help

Peace

 

[torealforthcbay]

Still need a tip, the title should of said

 

[watts]

sounds like it's time to transplant into 3+ gallon pots if you are able to. Not sure why they would crinkle with 2 waterings a day though.

 

[FirstTracks]

I'd alternate full strength and straight water to keep the salt buildups out of the equation if watering twice a day.
Salt buildups or pH issues could be the reason your leaves aren't as green but you're still getting crinkling.
make sure your cal/mag are up to spec.

 

[Treetroit City]

Agree with watts. In my experience plants crinkle when the pots dry out cause the salt concentration increases. Keeping the coco moist always seems to prevent the crinkle.

Try sticking with an EC of around 1.0 for veg and see if that helps.

 

[nachoconqueso]

Heads formula is meant to be a constant feed. Always feed with waterings. Keep the coco moist and adjust the ec based on your lighting and water quality. If the plants are big enough then theres no reason not to feed full strength. I start with tap water at 0.2ec and require it to be at 1.3-1.4ec in order to avoid deficiencies in my heavy feeders. Sativas rock it at 1.3. This is at 600w.

Are you adding 1g MgSO4/gal as well?

 

[torealforthcbay]

Thanks guys.

Heads method is pretty specific.
Feed every water little to no run off.

No Epsom as head dropped it as well. Micro and bloom is the full program these days.
The crinkle only happens when I feed a second time in a day with full strength. 1.4 ec at 5.9-5.9 ph.
Last night I fed full strength and for the second feed went 1/2 strengths and no issues.

I'm uppi g to 3 gal smart pots today. Building picos drip manifold for my flower room as well.

I kinda think I need to increase the amount of nutes for the bubblegum strain I'm running. Ill do the same ratio with less water and see how they react x


But now that I'm up potting feeding once a day won't be an issue.


But when the roots take over the three gal and I need to water multiple times,
Is the normal procedure to reduce ec if watering more frequently or is it pretty standard to water multiple times a day with full strength Lucas style 6/9? It goes to 6/12 after week 4 of flower so ec is normally between 1.4 and 1.6.

 

[watts]

as long as it doesn't dry out and you have 10%+ run-off you should be ok watering multiple times if needed.

 

[torealforthcbay]

5.8-5.9 is what I meant above



Also if you are supposed to reduce ec, by how much and is it relative to the frequency of waterings per day?

 

[habeeb]

No Epsom as head dropped it as well

I would suggest since your not head, you don't have his water, and don't run his strains.. be flexible to try experimenting.

the biggest problem in his formulation I've seen with people is Ca/Mg problems, or the fact of adding them helped there problem.

 

[TribalSeeds]

How close are your lights?
Back them off 1/2ft for a day and see what happens

 

[nachoconqueso]

I would suggest since your not head, you don't have his water, and don't run his strains.. be flexible to try experimenting.

the biggest problem in his formulation I've seen with people is Ca/Mg problems, or the fact of adding them helped there problem.

This is correct.

 

[Tardigrade]

I'm always confused when a coco nut doesn't use Calmag...try it, they'll green up in a couple days!

 

[Lemon Larry]

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[torealforthcbay]

Right on. Ill raise the lights a little but is. Epsom recommended over cal mg?

 

[OGShush]

I would suggest since your not head, you don't have his water, and don't run his strains.. be flexible to try experimenting.

the biggest problem in his formulation I've seen with people is Ca/Mg problems, or the fact of adding them helped there problem.

I was pretty baked mixing my initial 10 gallon batch of nutrients. As a result I forgot to add the epsom salt. About 4 or 5 days later it was pretty obvious that I had.

torealforthcbay - If I recall correctly the reason h3ad chose epsom is because between his water and GH flora series he had plenty of calcium and just needed magnesium. Easiest and cheapest way to add magnesium is good ol' magnesium sulfate. If you're using RO water you'd still want to use Cal Mag to bring the water up to 100 ppm prior to mixing anything else.

 

[habeeb]

Right on. Ill raise the lights a little but is. Epsom recommended over cal mg?

well no specific answer, as I said earlier, some are on the idea or thought that running high Ca is a good thing. some run the idea cannabis is a Mg hog, and needs lots of Mg.

epsom is sulfur and Mg ( sulfur is good also )

while some Ca/Mg products, well have Ca / Mg, and sometimes iron and N. most Ca/Mg products contain low amounts of Mg, while trying to bump up the Mg you are raising high ca levels, and adding N and iron ( sometimes ) to the mix.

I suggest epsom as it's very cheap, and easy to dose. Gives you Mg without adding Ca / N / iron. I also suggested using it as I find there is no need for high levels of Ca. but don't take my word for it..

experiment around, try out some things and see how your plants respond.. this is a hobby, that means there is no end. once you get there , there's only some other place to go..

what I do suggest though before, is reading these ( parts 1-5 second tab ) as water quality I think is often overlooked, unless running R/O. some problems might arise from high alkalinity, already high levels of Ca/Mg .. when looking at nutes, it's equally important to look at your water your using, as nutes might not fix the problem

 

[KidKId]

I am also using H3AD's formula for my first medical grow. At first I thought I was having issues, but with the help of people on this forum, I realized I am not, and just have very indica genes.

My plants are super healthy, perfect green, and I have never had deficiencies or leaf problems. I have a thread on this forum, take a look at it to see.

I use 1 TSP of Epsom Salts every watering in combination with the 6/9 formula. H3AD dropped the Epsom Salt because he was using Tap Water and found out his Tap Water had more than enough MG in it. His base formula has enough Calcium.

In terms of watering. I water until runoff. I have not had a problem with this, and I know for a fact my plants have plenty of Oxygen and nutrients for the roots this way. My plants are in 3 gallon pots, and when I feed them 1/2 gallon each, I can go 2 days in between feedings and the coco stays moist.

Even after 2 days, and feeding them 1/2 gallon each, for a total of 1 gallon, I get about 1/2 gallon of runoff.

The main reason I water until runoff is to get rid of any old nutrient solution in the plant. When plants drink they don't always consume equal parts Nutrients and water. Sometimes they consume more water than nutrients, leaving a higher nutrient concentration behind. By watering until runoff I know I am replacing all the old solution with new.

Some things I will begin applying after researching (since 2007 on another forum) are the following.

- Letting them dry out twice during flower. Green House Seeds does this, as well as a few others.

- Giving them double their normal amount to flush them once every couple weeks.

- Giving them 3 KoolBloom powder slams during Bloom, google Rezipe for his success doing this.

As I said, I don't use Cal/MG, but I do use Epsom. H3AD's seems to have enough CAL in it, but lacks a little bit of MG. I do have Calimagic on hand incase, but I have had no problems with Calcium.

Pointed out in this thread is the biggest issue people see with H3AD's formula is CA/MG issues. Personally, I have not seen any Calcium issues with it, but I have seen TONS of MG issues. This is why I won't drop the Epsom Salt. Although I may begin feeding it every other feeding, as opposed to every feeding.

With all this wall of text said. I have seen success from guys like HygroHybrid who only feed their Coco plants once a week. I have also seen him have success by feeding it once a week, then watering it a bit every day until the next feeding. He has gotten 1 pound off one plant under a 600 watt light this way. So although it goes against all the advice I have read, you can't argue with his results.

 

[nachoconqueso]

I'm one of the people that experienced cal issues when I first switched to heads formula. People were trying 6/12 at the time, but when I did that it made it worse due to excess K (locks out cal). Since I'm using tap water I was also getting excess Mg when adding the 1g of MgSO4 per gal. It was a nice environment to prevent calcium uptake

Anyways, it was about knowing my water. If its RO then Epsom away, but it's possible one might not need it.

 

[FirstTracks]

Any reason you're not pushing for a bigger pH swing than 5.8-5.9? pH swings seem kind of important to making all nutrients available.

You haven't let us know how hard or soft the water you're using is. That can make quite a difference with these formulas.