Noobin up a PPK

[DaveTheNewbie]

you are keeping the medium too wet. the roots have no impetus to spread. now that you have torn off the roots in the res the roots in the container will spread more.

i suspected this myself, thats why im now watering 1 min per 2 hours

with a wave pulse you want frequent, small amounts. you have yet to do this in either grow and it is the reason you are having problems.

i was watering frequent small amounts (1 min per 8 with a low volume)

you really need a repeat cycle timer.

i have one : thats how i water 1 min per 8

 

[delta9nxs]

ok then, i thought you were still running a one minute minimum duration timer.

so what is the volume of each pulse?

with a wave pulse it's about volume not duration.

set your volume to approx a liter then try it at 30 minutes and see how that looks.

 

[farmari]

My web browser isn't loading photos properly but do the tailpieces on these plants have those black caps you showed in your installation howto post? When looking at it again I don't know why that wouldn't clog, that's such a tiny amount of drainage surface area. I'm probably missing something.

Regarding the lack of roots in the upper half of the container, I'm tempted to ask what the lights on RH is, but then why would it be too dry if you're watering every hour. Does a relatively low amount of moisture in the container reduce root gravitropism?

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

ok then, i thought you were still running a one minute minimum duration timer.

so what is the volume of each pulse?

with a wave pulse it's about volume not duration.

set your volume to approx a liter then try it at 30 minutes and see how that looks.

thats a 10-4 good buddy, but there is just 1 problem. My cheap ass cycle timer only goes for a max of 8 minutes (hence the regular waterings) so i have to go back to a digital for anything longer than that. Its currently 1 minute every 2 hours, and i will see what happens.

The problem is that right now its blocked with roots and i need to fix this situation or the perlite will float up every watering, and that cant be a good thing?

My web browser isn't loading photos properly but do the tailpieces on these plants have those black caps you showed in your installation howto post? When looking at it again I don't know why that wouldn't clog, that's such a tiny amount of drainage surface area. I'm probably missing something.

Regarding the lack of roots in the upper half of the container, I'm tempted to ask what the lights on RH is, but then why would it be too dry if you're watering every hour. Does a relatively low amount of moisture in the container reduce root gravitropism?

nope not using the black caps, havent been in ages. standard flywire and screw clamp like D9 uses. As far as big words like gravitropism i cant help you sorry

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

You could place the plant between 2 tables/boxes whatever.,so u can get under it.
Like a car in the shop.
Pull the screen and drill, scoop or some how get the wick emptied and refill with perlite. .
I've taken root filled wicks off and have yet to have a plant suffer from it.

This is assuming you can't just disconnect the wick and do it the easy way.

Though my plants have always had roots in the rest of the pot when they've lost a wick.


2 cents. ..


Hope ya figure it out bro...

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

You could place the plant between 2 tables/boxes whatever.,so u can get under it.
Like a car in the shop.
Pull the screen and drill, scoop or some how get the wick emptied and refill with perlite. .
I've taken root filled wicks off and have yet to have a plant suffer from it.

This is assuming you can't just disconnect the wick and do it the easy way.

Though my plants have always had roots in the rest of the pot when they've lost a wick.


2 cents. ..


Hope ya figure it out bro...

you know what dawg, i think your right. There is no reason at all why i cant pull it all out, cut the roots at the base of the pipe, refill the pipe and plug her back in.

sometimes the simple things are the best

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

You could place the plant between 2 tables/boxes whatever.,so u can get under it.
Like a car in the shop.
Pull the screen and drill, scoop or some how get the wick emptied and refill with perlite. .
I've taken root filled wicks off and have yet to have a plant suffer from it.

This is assuming you can't just disconnect the wick and do it the easy way.

Though my plants have always had roots in the rest of the pot when they've lost a wick.


2 cents. ..


Hope ya figure it out bro...

well dawg you were spot on. I transplanted them both. The plant with the clogged pipe had a much smaller rootzone and the tips were yellowing (drowning again). Getting the clog out was tricky, it was wedged in tight.
You may notice now that the plants are in a red pot not a blue one

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Glad it went smoothly .. I would think the roots will try and spread more now rather than just shoot straight down the wick..

Rock on...


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[forkup]

I know it sucks dave, you're running into pitfalls we didn't know existed but thankfully you're showing us and we can all learn from it. Hang in there rome wasn't built in a day. I'm sure you will prevail.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

these pitfalls seem very surmountable, unlike the coco ones where it all flooded and there was nothing i could do

 

[forkup]

Did the roots grow thru the holes in the screening or what? How exactly are they bypassing the screen?

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

Did the roots grow thru the holes in the screening or what? How exactly are they bypassing the screen?

they grew right thru the screen, but the block was before it
the block was pretty solid and hard to get out too

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

ok so Sunday it is

ok so Sunday it is

here are my 4 week veg plants being moved into the flower cab (Querkle) :

Here are the clones moving into the veg cab (Ace of Spades) :

and here is the weekly comparason :

The Perlite plants arent as dense or filled as the coco one. This could be because of a different strain (Ace of Spades => Querkle) or the different medium, or the fact that i had to pull it all out and rip roots out, or just beacuse its 1 plant vs 2. I have both clones so now i can choose which i prefer and which i will keep (or both)

anyway it is what it is.

The biggest problem is that the plants wont sit upright on thier own. They just tip over. Now i know that Hempy growers grow trees in perlite so its either the shallow wide pots or the fuckup with the roots. Im leaning for the latter myself. Ive tied the plants to the flower cab with wires everywhere to stop them falling over, which i shouldnt have to do at this point.

again it is what it is.

Im considering going 50/50 perlite coco to give the roots something heavy to hold them down, or even putting in a 50/50 perlite and hydroton. But the current 2 sets are all pure perlite to give a fair comparason of the 2 strains.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

I wouldn't have thought to support the ladies either. .
Makes sense tho. . Shallow and perlite. . Not much for roots take grab on too..

Ya might try a small chicken wire ring around the main stem take get ya through this round...

Sure you'll figure something out. .

Looking good bro. . Trees in the making. ..


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[delta9nxs]

they're alive! hallelujah!

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

they're alive! hallelujah!

thats exactally how i feel

 

[ozzieAI]

hey dave...thought it was about time that as a fellow aussie grower i say hi...

man i have to say the love and help that have gone into your grow is heart warming...BIG props to all contributors...

your experiences have (sorry to say) made me smirk a little...and confirms to me that hand watering plants in organic soil works best for me...i do know where your head is at though...as mine has been there also...

i wish you all the best with your grow and really hope you get the outcome you are trying so hard to get...

good luck....

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

hey dave...thought it was about time that as a fellow aussie grower i say hi...

HI !

man i have to say the love and help that have gone into your grow is heart warming...BIG props to all contributors...

I will second that. So many people have had so much positive influence in my threads, with virtually zero negativity. Its all this positive energy that's keeping my plants up off the floor

your experiences have (sorry to say) made me smirk a little...and confirms to me that hand watering plants in organic soil works best for me

Awesome! Ive always wanted to go down that route too, and I cant tell you why I haven't yet.

The best advice I can give is: Neem Oil is systemic, add 5ml/litre to your water once a week and your plants roots will take it up. This will protect your plant from most bugs indoors and out and will also condition your soil giving you a better plant all round.

I love this in your sig BTW.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

ok so im the first to own up when I fuck things up, and I do both a lot.

this is my clone on sunday :

and this is the same clone today (Tuesday) :

It looks wilted and drowning. But I just cant believe it is drowning.

Step #1 : check EC and PH.
water in the veg cab control bucket is PH:7.0 and EC:1.46
I check the water going into the control bucket from the raised res, PH:6.5 and EC:1.40

I see a problem. But before I do any major PH changes I calibrate the pen. The 7.0 mixture is rating at 6.5. After calibration I have the raised res water at PH:6.9 and control bucket PH:7.1

Now I see a big problem.

So I drain the control buckets in both veg and flower, rePH the nutes and refill the control buckets. PH is now 5.9.

Lets hope this peaks things up!

The health of the flower plant is testament to how a PPK can survive just about anything, as it was thriving at 7.1 PH

EDIT : and I dumped a big bucket of ro water in to lower the EC to 1.2 as well

 

[ozzieAI]

i got a mate just like you dave...give him nice, healthy plants and he turns them into crispy brown twigs....he is slowly getting better these days the can pull a few oz...