Broad Mites?

[medicalmj]

just ordered a bottle of Pylon actually... seems like good stuff. looking at Talstar, Sanmite, and Kelthane 50W as well. any experience with those Storm?

My buddy in the commercial biz gave me a pint ($400+ normally) for free right when I finally got rid of spider mites so I haven't used yet. But he gave it to me because he says its probably the best stuff out there for veggies. They got acres under glass so I believe him.

 

[RetroGrow]

I wonder if with many of these grows, the mites were not actually fully controlled?

Its difficult to go on these results alone as the BM's are very hard to control and people won't as a rule (we hope) don't spray chems in flower, and I wonder how many actually heat treated and used predators through flower to keep them down, as has been said they keep coming back and I'm sure this would have a bearing on many of the 100's of threads you've seen people fail miserably. Have you had these experiences? and if so, do you think your grow remained mite free from when you first treated them? I aim to be really on it with these now, regular checks and regular heat treatments, regardless of whether I find any or not with Aspirin given every feed. I'm wondering if silicon would be of benefit to mite damaged plants, anyone used it?

My other alternative is to bin them and wait for new cuts to become available and then keep them treated from the off. Thing is Its going to be at least a month before I can get some clones rooted up from a mate, so I may as well keep these ones going and see how they're looking by then. If they've recovered into nice looking non deformed bushy plants I'll see them through and see how they go with the treatments. If they're all still showing signs of struggling I'll ditch them if fresh ones come along.

I must get around to starting a diary with this lot so others can weigh up the odds on seeing them through.

Anyone know of any threads/diaries, here or anywhere else where people are growing or have grown mite infested crops to the finish. I'd be interested in reading them through if so. If anyone can provide links I'd much appreciate it.

My plants are pretty bad huh? Some of them seem to be saying fuck it lets get going and the others saying fuck it I'm too tired and poorly.

Any opinions from the folks here who've done battles with these mites on whether its worth seeing them through? Not looking for assurances, just opinions based on your own experiences.

Thanks, Trev

Yes on the silicon. It toughens up the leaves/plants. Makes them more resistant to insects. And as far as finishing grows. As I've posted before, I finished a grow with Critical+ and AK47 before I knew it was BMs. Thought it was a virus, as many others did. Grown from seed, and started to go downhill @ week two. Treated only with aspirin, and they recovered. They flowered and yielded nicely, but the AK47s were duds. However, the Critical+ were stellar in every way:smell, taste, potency. I'll post some pictures of them when i get time.

 

[Some old dude]

Did not have the heart

Did not have the heart

I wonder if with many of these grows, the mites were not actually fully controlled?

Its difficult to go on these results alone as the BM's are very hard to control and people won't as a rule (we hope) don't spray chems in flower, and I wonder how many actually heat treated and used predators through flower to keep them down, as has been said they keep coming back and I'm sure this would have a bearing on many of the 100's of threads you've seen people fail miserably. Have you had these experiences? and if so, do you think your grow remained mite free from when you first treated them? I aim to be really on it with these now, regular checks and regular heat treatments, regardless of whether I find any or not with Aspirin given every feed. I'm wondering if silicon would be of benefit to mite damaged plants, anyone used it?

My other alternative is to bin them and wait for new cuts to become available and then keep them treated from the off. Thing is Its going to be at least a month before I can get some clones rooted up from a mate, so I may as well keep these ones going and see how they're looking by then. If they've recovered into nice looking non deformed bushy plants I'll see them through and see how they go with the treatments. If they're all still showing signs of struggling I'll ditch them if fresh ones come along.

I must get around to starting a diary with this lot so others can weigh up the odds on seeing them through.

Anyone know of any threads/diaries, here or anywhere else where people are growing or have grown mite infested crops to the finish. I'd be interested in reading them through if so. If anyone can provide links I'd much appreciate it.

My plants are pretty bad huh? Some of them seem to be saying fuck it lets get going and the others saying fuck it I'm too tired and poorly.

Any opinions from the folks here who've done battles with these mites on whether its worth seeing them through? Not looking for assurances, just opinions based on your own experiences.

Thanks, Trev

After seeing those pics I did not have the heart to tell you what I would do. Because I know how much actual work goes into this hobby. Of course it's up to you but those I would not put any more time into. My plants look BM free. But from experience just at your height of exuberance come a fall. You can't turn your back on these bugs for a moment. When these bugs bite you won't even know for possibly weeks.And then when they are supposedly gone you won't know for sure for I would say at least a month.And then get a microscopic egg float through the door on a wind gust and your infected again. Thats why I'm throwing everything at this battle. Heat, predators, this fungus stuff(Mycotrol-o)my swirskii supplier turned me onto. But no more non-OMRI Poison.

 

[Hosttrevor]

Fuck me! I just wrote a long detailed post about a few things I wanted to bring up here with you all, but it got lost in the submitting process. I use Tor browser to avoid being traced, but its slow and every time you do a new action on this site, you have to log in again. From now on I'll type up in Word or notepad and copy and paste it in, a few times its caught me out now.

I'll leave it for now, and try and get around to posting it up tomorrow.

Thanks Retro, a mate of mine here, Scrogerman suggested it. Its something I've used quite extensively in the past, but not for the past few years. I'll get some in and add it as standard from now on again, it can only be of benefit and its relatively cheap.

It encourages me that you had a result with the Critical.

It looks like a mate has some Critical in veg that I can clone from in the next few days. I'll take some and root them up and then decide whether to go with the ones I have now or the new ones, depending on how things are looking by then.

There's a lot of doom and gloom about bringing plants through this, and no doubt to some extent, justified, but I think there may be some things being overlooked which is what I wanted to discuss, but I'll get around to it tomorrow.

Thanks, Trev

 

[Hosttrevor]

After seeing those pics I did not have the heart to tell you what I would do. Because I know how much actual work goes into this hobby. Of course it's up to you but those I would not put any more time into. My plants look BM free. But from experience just at your height of exuberance come a fall. You can't turn your back on these bugs for a moment. When these bugs bite you won't even know for possibly weeks.And then when they are supposedly gone you won't know for sure for I would say at least a month.And then get a microscopic egg float through the door on a wind gust and your infected again. Thats why I'm throwing everything at this battle. Heat, predators, this fungus stuff(Mycotrol-o)my swirskii supplier turned me onto. But no more non-OMRI Poison.

I hear what you're saying mate, I've had the big let downs from healthy looking crops just to find the off gassing stunts them around week 3 flower and only taking a 1/3 of the expected yield, so I know the feeling. Its part of what I wanted to post up, but lost it. I'll be back to you on it tomorrow though ;-)

The fungus sounds very interesting, almost too good to be true. If its possible to treat the clones with it and that's enough to give it protection for the duration that'd definitely be the way forward huh? ;-)

Trev

 

[Some old dude]

Oregon Friends

Oregon Friends

I hear what you're saying mate, I've had the big let downs from healthy looking crops just to find the off gassing stunts them around week 3 flower and only taking a 1/3 of the expected yield, so I know the feeling. Its part of what I wanted to post up, but lost it. I'll be back to you on it tomorrow though ;-)

The fungus sounds very interesting, almost too good to be true. If its possible to treat the clones with it and that's enough to give it protection for the duration that'd definitely be the way forward huh? ;-)

Trev

This fungus stuff is worth a read. It's called "Mycotrol O" it's a systemic that you water in. It's Omri rated and when my friends in Oregon say that this is working for broad mites my ears go straight up. Nothing better than a systemic for this kind of bug .But the problem has always been the systemics have been real toxic. This is a deal where the bug feeds and get a fungus that grows on its eating parts and the bug dies is how it was explained to me . And because the predators don't feed on the plant it's relatively safe for the predators at least until maybe broad has just ate and not died yet when the predator strikes.When the Oregon dudes say something works it's usually a good bet.Later, all the best.

 

[Hosttrevor]

This fungus stuff is worth a read. It's called "Mycotrol O" it's a systemic that you water in. It's Omri rated and when my friends in Oregon say that this is working for broad mites my ears go straight up. Nothing better than a systemic for this kind of bug .But the problem has always been the systemics have been real toxic. This is a deal where the bug feeds and get a fungus that grows on its eating parts and the bug dies is how it was explained to me . And because the predators don't feed on the plant it's relatively safe for the predators at least until maybe broad has just ate and not died yet when the predator strikes.When the Oregon dudes say something works it's usually a good bet.Later, all the best.

Yeah, I understand systemics, and don't like to use lasting toxins, but this sounds great, wonder if its available in the UK? ;-)

 

[SooperSmurph]

I have experienced this exact problem.

I'm guessing that over time continued feeding with aspirin will neutralize the remaining BM toxin in the plants once they're no longer infested, did you stop feeding aspirin after clearing the mites?

 

[ballplayer 2]

Trevor, I know how frustrating it can be to type a long response... then be prompted to log in again when attempting to post the response. No need to break out Word, simply type your response in the message box and copy it from there. With your response copied, attempt to publish your post. If prompted to log in, do so, then revisit the thread you would like to post in and paste your copied response to the message box and post your reply.

Hey guys I'm not trying to burst bubbles, or say that Mycotrol wont work. I understand that Mycotrol O is simply the OMRI version of Botanigard, a brand name for the Beauvaria Bassiana fungus. I suspect the Mycotrol O version might be softer on plants due to the exclusion of petroleum distillates present in Botanigard. I have read literature that suggests Beauvaria Bassiana may work to control Tarsonemid mites (broad/cyclamen) as part of an IPM program, so that is certainly good. However, the hiccup is that I don't believe Beauvaria Bassiana is systemic. You cannot water it in and expect it to protect your foliage, and vice versa. What your sources may mean to say is that the fungus CAN spread from mite to mite, creating a fungal epidemic among the mite population. However,the literature I have read suggests that MAY only happen at very high population densities.

I am in no way discouraging anyone from using Mycotrol O or Botanigard, and I do believe it could help kill off a BM/CM problem. I could be wrong, and hope I am, but I am pretty certain Beavaria Bassiana is Not systemic. Though it would be sweet if BB was systemic or there was such a thing as a systemic fungus for the treatment of these terrible creatures.

Thank you for all your time, help, and continued updates in this battle,
BP2

 

[RetroGrow]

This fungus stuff is worth a read. It's called "Mycotrol O" it's a systemic that you water in. It's Omri rated and when my friends in Oregon say that this is working for broad mites my ears go straight up. Nothing better than a systemic for this kind of bug .But the problem has always been the systemics have been real toxic. This is a deal where the bug feeds and get a fungus that grows on its eating parts and the bug dies is how it was explained to me . And because the predators don't feed on the plant it's relatively safe for the predators at least until maybe broad has just ate and not died yet when the predator strikes.When the Oregon dudes say something works it's usually a good bet.Later, all the best.

This sounds really good if it works on Broad/Cyclamen mites, however, they are not listed on the label as one of the insects controlled. It's OMRI, and can be used until day of harvest. They list a lot of pests on the label, but not broads or cyclamen. Not trying to discourage you in any way. Please try it and let us know how it works. It would be a Godsend if it did, as the heavy duty miticides are not something I enjoy using, and they are worthless in flower.

 

[Some old dude]

My Oregon suppier

My Oregon suppier

This sounds really good if it works on Broad/Cyclamen mites, however, they are not listed on the label as one of the insects controlled. It's OMRI, and can be used until day of harvest. They list a lot of pests on the label, but not broads or cyclamen. Not trying to discourage you in any way. Please try it and let us know how it works. It would be a Godsend if it did, as the heavy duty miticides are not something I enjoy using, and they are worthless in flower.

Thats why I'm a little exited. My Oregon guy said the peeps up in Oregon are using this against broad mites and it's working.I had a long talk with him today. He said it's not on the label but it has the same affect on all bugs .He said there mouth eating parts get destroyed from the fungus spores that start growing immediately. I guess all I can do is believe him. He's always been straight up with me before.We will see.All the best.

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://ir4.rutgers.edu/ir4_pdf/defa...ummaryReports/MiteEfficacyDataSummary2012.pdf

Pylon is nice stuff...Its a bit ovepriced for how effective it is against BM's...Its MOA is different than Forbid and Avid so its nice to rotate and keep those evil bastards from evolving ...

Beavaria Bassiana is crap against BM's ..Your supplier should read this

http://www.pvamu.edu/Include/TEXGED... latus (Banks, 1904) (Acari Tarsonemidae).pdf

Nothing can step to the Combo of Forbid/Avid.... All Stage Killer ..All the studies prove it

 

[ballplayer 2]

Hey Storm, have you seen or heard anything about Kontos for fighting BM's? I believe Tarsonemid mites were added to the label for 2013, at least according to some state EPA sites I have found (search terms Kontos and Tarsonemid in google). So do Kontos and Forbid have the same MOA? Is one more effective than the other? Just wondering for rotational purposes, and for the fact that Kontos IS systemic. Thank you for your help.

BP2

 

[Some old dude]

http://mdvegetables.umd.edu/files/Insecticides for GH vegetables.pdf

 

[Storm Shadow]

Hey Storm, have you seen or heard anything about Kontos for fighting BM's? I believe Tarsonemid mites were added to the label for 2013, at least according to some state EPA sites I have found (search terms Kontos and Tarsonemid in google). So do Kontos and Forbid have the same MOA? Is one more effective than the other? Just wondering for rotational purposes, and for the fact that Kontos IS systemic. Thank you for your help.

BP2

http://www.greenhousecanada.com/images/PDFs/5403 broad mites.pdf

 

[Storm Shadow]

Forbid - spiromesifen

Kontos - spirotetramat

Different MOA....Go for it....Always love to keep BM's on their toes

 

[Some old dude]

What I believe

What I believe

http://ir4.rutgers.edu/ir4_pdf/defa...ummaryReports/MiteEfficacyDataSummary2012.pdf

Pylon is nice stuff...Its a bit ovepriced for how effective it is against BM's...Its MOA is different than Forbid and Avid so its nice to rotate and keep those evil bastards from evolving ...

Beavaria Bassiana is crap against BM's ..Your supplier should read this

http://www.pvamu.edu/Include/TEXGED/Journal/Biology%20and%20control%20of%20the%20broad%20mite%20Polyphagotarsonemus%20latus%20(Banks,%201904)%20(Acari%20Tarsonemidae).pdf

Nothing can step to the Combo of Forbid/Avid.... All Stage Killer ..All the studies prove it

I can say without a doubt if the people I know up in Oregon that have been growing longer than the thirty five years i have and they say it works that's all i need . But thanks for your imput. Plus people are always pissed cause I'm out of non -poisonous medicine they get pissed when they have to go to the dispensary and get poisoned.

 

[Storm Shadow]

Kontos Being a systemic Drench seems like the perfect addition to our eliminate these fuckers

 

[Storm Shadow]

Some Old Dude dont get all butt hurt buddy...You bring a Knife to a gun fight and let me know how it works for you.... in Your case...You've created Super BM's for never rotating Chems... Say hello to your Progessive Options super Mites ...They did the same thing and created The Uncanny X-BroadMites ...

Your going off Bro Science ... No thanks

 

[bubbler720]

hey storm, what concoction+ratios do you recommend for dunking clones? i've got in my arsenal: forbid,avid,spinosad,3x neem,azamax, indicate. gracias