The Name Game

[chefboy6969]

Hi all you ICMAG'ers...i just wanted to present something that has been bothering me.

IT SEEMS THESE DAYS, IT"S MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE SMOKER AND GROWER KNOW THE NAME OF THE STRAIN THEY ARE GROWING OR SMOKING..THAN THE ACTUAL QUALITY OF SMOKE

I am the first one to admit I love researching and reading strain reviews and grow journals..This is how i make the decision to buy my seeds..
BUT that being said...I have been reading threads in here with regards to strain names...I have been involved in the dope game long enough to know that name is what sells...BUT from a growers perspective..the name shouldn't really matter...What matters is, easy to clone, big yielder, potent smoke, duration of high, and so on....the name is the last thing I care about as a grower,,BUT this is not the case with lots of people here...

NOW THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NAMES AND ORIGINS

i understand that people want to know where the smoke comes from...the origins...like the Chem story or the NYCD story or the HAZE story...but come on guys...do names really matter?

I call it the "NAME GAME"

How does everyone else feel?

has the strain name game gone too far??

Please lets keep this civil...No mud slinging please

peace
Chefboy

 

[Galactic]

name game uses reputation as an analytical tool, to the best of our ability to incite confidence in something

like people being named john or paul after the biblical... the underlying strength/reputation that the name invokes...

yes, the name game can be abused... casanova is fitting, or is pussymaster?

do you cook? no then gtfo... (i sense this is your attitude towards names)

 

[chefboy6969]

do you cook? no then gtfo... (i sense this is your attitude towards names)

Seriously this is how you respond when i prefaced no mud slinging...You grow up...and btw I do cook

and am a trained CHEF

if you want to comment great...but don't be an ass

peace
Chefboy

 

[Galactic]

I am quite blunt with words, but my message is of central importance. The vocabulary is just my entertainment.

 

[Galactic]

do you cook? no then gtfo... (i sense this is your attitude towards names)

I am proposing a concept not making a simple statement

Your name is chefboy... i said do you cook... i am trying to engage you in real-time experiential experience of name game...

if your natural answer to question was "yes" then you can see the side of the coin that loosely says "names matter, the represent a larger idea, and i embody/adopt that in my own decisions"

if your natural answer to question was "no" then you can see the side of the coin that loosely says "names dont matter, im chefboy but not a chef, naming may not always represent a larger idea.."

i stated this bluntly as "are you a cook? no then gtfo", i hope i am clearer

 

[Galactic]

it can only be mudslinging if you are worried about getting your Sunday best dirtied up

....im a pig

 

[BullDogUK]

Well obviously names are important in being able to identify the type of effects that the weed might give you. If you're familiar with a certain 'family' of strains (say 'hazes' or 'cheeses') then it can perhaps help you identify if a strain is going to be for you or not.

Saying that, I appreciate that we're fast reaching the point where names and the ability to sell a product by a 'brand' association (I think thats a better term than just the 'name' of the strain) is so abused that a name can't tell you too much.

I do really appreciate your point though. Every time I see a new 'kush' strain with no relation to the genetics of the Kush valley I die a little inside.

 

[chefboy6969]

I do really appreciate your point though. Every time I see a new 'kush' strain with no relation to the genetics of the Kush valley I die a little inside.

Well said, and i agree with you..this is what got me started on this... everything is labelled KUSH nowadays..even if it isn't remotely related to a KUSH....I mean OG and Bubba aren't even true Kush in the sense of the word

A Kush by definition has its origins from the Hindu Kush mountain range..

so well said

peace
Chefboy

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Galactic is an attention seeking troll. Just put him on ignore and he'll shrivel up and blow away in the wind.

I dont care about a name, I just want to know whats in it. I could careless if every strain was just named like A x B.

 

[Galactic]

Would you care more if they were named Rom x White

 

[killa-bud]

A name is supposed to denote something,the problem is not with names In general but with random non descriptive ones....

 

[BullDogUK]

Killa the problem is that the names are quickly becoming brands. People will slap an 'OG' or 'Kush' onto some random f1 cross they've made just because people have come to associate it with better than average weed.

Kinda similar to 'skunk' in the UK I suppose though with less hysteria from the media who now seem to think that all herbal cannabis is skunk and that it's somehow strong enough to make your head explode. Or something like that...

 

[Chevelleface]

...I have been involved in the dope game long enough to know that name is what sells...BUT from a growers perspective..the name shouldn't really matter...What matters is, easy to clone, big yielder, potent smoke, duration of high, and so on....the name is the last thing I care about as a grower,,BUT this is not the case with lots of people here...


peace
Chefboy

you are right!
A fancy name doesnt really matter to me the genetic makeup is more important.

 

[chefboy6969]

you are right!
A fancy name doesnt really matter to me the genetic makeup is more important.

when i hear people passing up, weed because it's not called KUSH

I know I am right...but appreciate your input..

example: the other week i was talking to a big dealer buddy i know he moves weight..and i asked him..hey why is there only Kush out there..he says its what people want..then i say yea but these assholes have never smoked real Jack Herrer, or SAGE or Island Sweet Skunk..or any real Haze strain...it's a name they know..like Nike, or Apple..Kush has become the Kleenex of tissues..I am Canadian and we call any tissue Kleenex...its a brand..a brand we know.

it's funny how humans levitate to something we know...we tend to be SHEEP

peace
Chefboy

 

[Mountaindragon]

Just give me well grown, and the type of stone i am after, and the rest of it is really all just piss in the wind!
I can't put much stock in names and titles unless i have purchased the seed direct, or received a cutting from a very few select friends of mine who are as pedantic as myself. Aside from that then i have very little faith in the truth of what any pot is being called by anybody! In my experience many growers/sellers would not have a fucking clue what they are moving, and hence will either make an uneducated guess at what it is or just call it whatever they think is popular at the time.....and that shits me to tears!
I remember back in the day around here every turkey about the place was calling EVERYTHING 'skunk'...and before that EVERYTHING was being called 'thai buddha' or 'red beard'! 90% of it was bullshit then, and still is to this day, and I really doubt that will ever really change...for the masses at least!

 

[dank.frank]

I tend to disagree with this largely, from my personal stand point...

When using certain genetics, they are already named....TO USE THEM - and to keep some things some concurrent, you have to play off what start with...

I'll use myself as an example, and I'm certain you will hate this (apologies):

Ghost OG "kush" x (pre98 Bubba "Kush" x Digi Bx1) -

If you walked up to random people,, and said the above genetic line - you are correct - most people, likely 8:10 would be 100% clueless what you were babbling about - but would likely hear the word "kush" uttered a couple times and infer you were talking about "weed"...

That little project was, I feel, aptly named "BooBerry Kush" - Given the Digi is blueberry Ghost ie BOO - kush, well. bubba and "og" - it covers all the bases in a clever and fun way.

However, I also find that the "name game" has a distinct advantage. If by chance a conversation about cannabis were to ever occur with another individual, their knowledge of the "name game" can be VERY telling how involved they are with cannabis in general...

For a simple example - when you say Sour Diesel, and are asked...Rez's or the clone... I think those indications of knowledge are some what key in how we identify not only with each other as "insiders" but also the "name game" helps us narrow in on what we truly enjoy and like...

Take the Chem families - you and another person both enjoy Chem 4 as your favorite, which then makes you more inclined to try other suggestions (by name) coming from this person as you discover whatever for why ever you enjoy the same types of cannabis...

I just wanted to offer a different THOUGHT on things...

I mean, what if we never tried to differentiate between different types of potato or orange or blueberry or grape or hop or.....it isn't just cannabis is my point. People identify with names - I'm not certain to identify a norm that exists within a very small portion of a sub-culture (the growers) that exist in a small sub-culture (cannabis users) of the whole of society...is really an good assessment. Especially if you consider there are likely MORE "each years best bag seed growers" than there are specific seed strain cultivators...though I could be wrong.

Anyway...just thoughts...



dank.Frank

 

[aridbud]

QUALITY grows, knowing the gene pool....for a skillful agronomist, uber important!!!!
Some like bag seed...typical Mexican brick. Others, well it's like wine...I LOVE pinot noirs and cabernet. I like knowing flavor, texture, taste of each...just like knowing Jack Herer or Blueberry foundations.

So, when developing hybrids, I look for the best complimentary traits/effects.

 

[4evergreen]

I tend to disagree with this largely, from my personal stand point...

When using certain genetics, they are already named....TO USE THEM - and to keep some things some concurrent, you have to play off what start with...

I'll use myself as an example, and I'm certain you will hate this (apologies):

Ghost OG "kush" x (pre98 Bubba "Kush" x Digi Bx1) -

If you walked up to random people,, and said the above genetic line - you are correct - most people, likely 8:10 would be 100% clueless what you were babbling about - but would likely hear the word "kush" uttered a couple times and infer you were talking about "weed"...

That little project was, I feel, aptly named "BooBerry Kush" - Given the Digi is blueberry Ghost ie BOO - kush, well. bubba and "og" - it covers all the bases in a clever and fun way.

However, I also find that the "name game" has a distinct advantage. If by chance a conversation about cannabis were to ever occur with another individual, their knowledge of the "name game" can be VERY telling how involved they are with cannabis in general...

For a simple example - when you say Sour Diesel, and are asked...Rez's or the clone... I think those indications of knowledge are some what key in how we identify not only with each other as "insiders" but also the "name game" helps us narrow in on what we truly enjoy and like...

Take the Chem families - you and another person both enjoy Chem 4 as your favorite, which then makes you more inclined to try other suggestions (by name) coming from this person as you discover whatever for why ever you enjoy the same types of cannabis...

I just wanted to offer a different THOUGHT on things...

I mean, what if we never tried to differentiate between different types of potato or orange or blueberry or grape or hop or.....it isn't just cannabis is my point. People identify with names - I'm not certain to identify a norm that exists within a very small portion of a sub-culture (the growers) that exist in a small sub-culture (cannabis users) of the whole of society...is really an good assessment. Especially if you consider there are likely MORE "each years best bag seed growers" than there are specific seed strain cultivators...though I could be wrong.

Anyway...just thoughts...


dank.Frank

couldn't agree more, very well said!!!!

 

[Galactic]

couldn't agree more, very well said!!!!

and thus every OG hybrid will forevermore include "Kush"

 

[DemonPigeon]

I think one of Bulldog's points is that people aren't necessarily following the system.

Lets say "bob" gets a hazey plant from a "Haze" bagseed:
Lets say he calls it
"Bob's Sativa" - its bob's, its sativa - no issue here
"Bobs Haze" - Yeah it's bob's and probably is haze of some kind - it's an ok name
"bob's Haze kush" - what? ... No - You can't know it's from the kush valley and there's no kush in haze