Maintaining a healthy veg brain picking

[BugJar]

I have no problem keeping plants health but recently I have been working with some very aggressive feeders and I am having to feed these beasts with every single watering. I have been top dressing but it is too slow to be as effective as I need

If I miss a feeding the OG's lowers yellows overnight almost same with the headband. It is getting hard to manage in a multi strain garden and fairly expensive to feed every watering.
I usually put rooted cuttings right into a 1gallon smartie with a roots organics and light warrior mix lightly ammended with kelp meal and ewc.

so the real question is how do you guys maintain a long veg with a very greedy feeder, while maintaining healthy microbes and using as few store bought items as possible.

I'm just sick of having to make separate teas for different strains I also lament the thought of having to compost a second batch of soil strictly for vegging. would it be advisable to take my hotter flowering soil and layer that in the bottom ala "super soil" in my 1 gallons?

further amendment or general advice would be very appreciated







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[bigshrimp]

put it in the dirt

 

[imnotcrazy]

Super duper secret trick:

FOLIAR FEED

 

[John Deere]

Build your own soil. It's much better than bagged FF or RO. FTI has a great thread if you're not familiar with starting from scratch.

1 G smarties are not large enough. My first organic run was that size and it didn't work very well. 3 G worked better, 5 G buckets are probably the most common.

 

[BugJar]

Super duper secret trick:

FOLIAR FEED

I do foliar feed fairly often but it is always pretty mild.

maybe I will take it up a notch

 

[BugJar]

Build your own soil. It's much better than bagged FF or RO. FTI has a great thread if you're not familiar with starting from scratch.

1 G smarties are not large enough. My first organic run was that size and it didn't work very well. 3 G worked better, 5 G buckets are probably the most common.

I build my own soil for flowering currently. I only use the bagged stuff for veg just because the concentration of available nutrients are pretty high and they are never in the smart pots for more than 3 months. I guess that seems like a while now that I type it out.

they end up in 7 gallon smarties later but my veg area doesn't have the capacity for much more than the one gallons at the numbers I have to maintain.

I'm going to try to layer a few and just cut the hot stuff down 2:1 and see what works out better for me next run.

Just to clarify this is far from my first organic run but in the last 6 months I have switched almost everything up so I am just attempting to dial it in as well as I can and as quickly as I can

 

[imnotcrazy]

Another thought....

Another thought....

Sometimes they just don't like being root bound and start getting funky looking when they do..

Not uncommon for certain strains to trigger flower when they get root bound as well.. Had a RezDog Wonder99 that was FIRE and would do exactly that.. Had to be root pruned often

 

[BugJar]

Sometimes they just don't like being root bound and start getting funky looking when they do..

Not uncommon for certain strains to trigger flower when they get root bound as well.. Had a RezDog Wonder99 that was FIRE and would do exactly that.. Had to be root pruned often

I was hoping smartpots would mitigate most of those concerns but maybe I will root prune one and see if she digs it

 

[imnotcrazy]

It might not necessarily be root bound that causes these issues as much as root DENSITY in the medium..

Attempting a root pruning on one of your individuals and foliar feeding would be the route I would take in an attempt to mitigate these issues if you are forced to use smaller pots for your vegetative girls

Hope this helps

 

[Infinitesimal]

make a stronger soil mix to begin with

 

[BugJar]

It might not necessarily be root bound that causes these issues as much as root DENSITY in the medium..

Attempting a root pruning on one of your individuals and foliar feeding would be the route I would take in an attempt to mitigate these issues if you are forced to use smaller pots for your vegetative girls

Hope this helps

good advice. Thanks

 

[ClackamasCootz]

BugJar

Are you anywhere close to Portland, i.e. I-205 and OR 224 Expressway?

CC

 

[BugJar]

sorry clack I'm on the opposite end of the state

 

[ClackamasCootz]

sorry clack I'm on the opposite end of the state

Gotcha!

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I keep my moms in the same soil for 6 months with no problems. They are in 1 gallon smart pots. My headband does the best. I feed a plant based tea once a week, and a compost tea once a month, or so. They grow like weeds. Mix your own soil, and you will be good. My vegged sucked until I started making my own soil. Now I only have to use water if I wish.

 

[VerdantGreen]

some things to try.

1. if you arent already, give your vegging plants a dark period of 4-8 hours.

2. if you cant fit bigger than 1g pots then try transplanting the clone into a smaller pot first, and then up-pot when the roots have filled that pot. this way you may get more root-mass overall. also perhaps you need to veg for a shorter time if you cant use a bigger pot.

3. make your soil richer in nutrients - especially for the second up-pot.

perhaps veg for a week or so in the final 7g pot in your flower area if possible rather than trying to keep them happy in the 1g pots for longer/

VG

 

[BugJar]

some things to try.

1. if you arent already, give your vegging plants a dark period of 4-8 hours.

2. if you cant fit bigger than 1g pots then try transplanting the clone into a smaller pot first, and then up-pot when the roots have filled that pot. this way you may get more root-mass overall. also perhaps you need to veg for a shorter time if you cant use a bigger pot.

3. make your soil richer in nutrients - especially for the second up-pot.

perhaps veg for a week or so in the final 7g pot in your flower area if possible rather than trying to keep them happy in the 1g pots for longer/

VG

very solid advice thanks

There are several great options on the table now.

most of them seem obvious but sometimes I need a boot to the assand now that I think about it I was going to solo cups from the rockwool and potting up to the 1g

In the last few months I was skipping the cup and going straight to 1 gallon pots.

I see this issue being resolved rather quickly now

thanks for everyone's advice

 

[supermanlives]

hey man no offense but if you complain\cant afford ferts your in the wrong game or need to up your game. you can look into worm farms, composting, collecting seaweed if near ocean and a whole list of other things to help you get there . theres always local stuff to make teas ect out of . get stoned and read my friend its all here. I quit composting my soil from flower. any left nutes are mainly p and k and help new cuttings root. I saw no improvement using composted soil and have quit doing so on purpose. theres a few overflow tubs lol. why do you need so many teas? blood meal teas are cheap and quick if ya aint vegan

 

[BugJar]

hey man no offense but if you complain\cant afford ferts your in the wrong game or need to up your game. you can look into worm farms, composting, collecting seaweed if near ocean and a whole list of other things to help you get there . theres always local stuff to make teas ect out of . get stoned and read my friend its all here. I quit composting my soil from flower. any left nutes are mainly p and k and help new cuttings root. I saw no improvement using composted soil and have quit doing so on purpose. theres a few overflow tubs lol. why do you need so many teas? blood meal teas are cheap and quick if ya aint vegan

Thanks for your beaming wisdom... my cup runneth over