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Marijuana laws new tool to ban gun ownership

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BrnCow

OF course we knew this...


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The Obama administration has a zero tolerance policy on enforcing federal drug laws, White House drug czar Gil Kerlikowske recently told the National Press Club. So why should gun-owners be paying attention?
The website for the Office of National Drug Policy includes this warning: “Marijuana and other illicit drugs are addictive and unsafe especially for use by young people. … Marijuana contains chemicals that can change how the brain works. And the science, though still evolving in terms of long-term consequences of marijuana use, is clear: marijuana use is associated with addiction, respiratory and mental illness, poor motor performance, and cognitive impairment, among other negative effects.”
Why, then, hasn’t the Obama administration launched legal action against Colorado and Washington, where voters last fall voted to “legalize” marijuana under their state laws – even though federal law doesn’t allow that?
After all, the White House has been more than emphatic that state laws exempting people from the federal Obamacare law are invalid, and when Arizona took it upon itself to adopt a state law to enforce federal immigration restrictions, Washington went after those renegades immediately in the courts.
Is there something about the idea of legalizing marijuana that Washington LIKES?
That seemingly strange idea may have been borne out just days ago when the Congressional Research Service released its report on the “State Legalization of Recreational Marijuana: Selected Legal Issues.”
As attorneys Todd Garvey and Brian Yeh wrote in the report, Washington has flexibility regarding drug prosecution, stating, “The extent to which federal authorities will actually seek to prosecute individuals who are engaged in marijuana-related activities in Colorado and Washington remains uncertain. President Obama himself has suggested the prosecuting simple possession is not a priority, while the Department of Justice has said only that ‘growing, selling or possession any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law.’”
What is more certain, they wrote, is that federal firearms regulators will be aggressive about banning anyone who uses marijuana from buying – or possessing – a weapon.
“With the legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes in Colorado and Washington, it seems likely the ATF will … consider a recreational user of marijuana to be a prohibited possessor of firearms regardless of whether the use is lawful under state provisions,” they wrote.
The attorneys said the ATF specifically has stated, “any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her state has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance, and is prohibited by federal law from possessing firearms or ammunition.”
They further wrote, “These individuals are to answer ‘yes’ when asked on the firearms transfer form if they are unlawful users of a controlled substance.”
Answering falsely, of course, is also a felony.
According to the Denver Post, the CRS report was touted by U.S. Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., an advocate of legalized marijuana, for saying that while “the federal government may use its power of the purse to encourage states to adopt certain criminal laws … it … is limited in its ability to directly influence state policy by the Tenth Amendment.”
Polis told the Post, “I’ve long believed that Colorado, Washington and other states that have decriminalized or legalized marijuana for personal or medical use have acted within the legal bounds of the law.”
But Obama attacked a state decision to enforce federal immigration standards, so why, as the Post reports, are “Colorado, Washington and 17 other jurisdictions … still holding out for any word from the Department of Justice on whether marijuana possession and distribution – which is illegal under federal law – will be enforced, despite the legalization within local borders.”
Dave Workman, senior editor at TheGunMag.com, a spokesman with the Second Amendment Foundation and a former member of the NRA board of directors wrote about the possible solution last fall as the votes in Washington and Colorado were approaching.
“A source with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Washington, D.C. … confirmed what had been explained in a Sept. 21, 2011, letter from Arthur Herbert, assistant director for enforcement programs and services to firearms retailers…
“Washington state gun owners need to know they cannot get stoned and head for the gun range or hunting camp,” he wrote.
A letter from Herbert, at the time, blew out of the water the option for the libertarian concept of unrestricted guns and unrestricted marijuana.
“There are no exceptions in federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such is sanctioned by state law,” he wrote. Even selling a gun to someone can catch an owner outside the law.
“An inference of current use may be drawn from evidence of a recent use or possession of a controlled substance or a pattern of use or possession that reasonably covers the present time,” Herbert wrote.
Workman told WND his assumption is that the Obama administration is hesitant to step on the toes of marijuana users who may support the left-leaning administration.
At the same time, with Obama’s agenda for gun rules, regulations, restrictions and requirements looming large, anything that has the potential to trip up a gun owner couldn’t be all bad.
Impacts from strategies such as this are not unknown. There are millions of Americans whose ability to obtain a firearm could be challenged under the position that they are taking a variety of mood-altering psychiatric drugs carrying the FDA’s “suicidality” warning label. An increasingly high percentage of Americans are taking these meds, which have demonstrated an alarmingly high correlation with school shooters.
And the government has been using its interaction with veterans to designate many of them – by the tens of thousands – incapable of handling their own financial affairs and therefore banned from having guns.
A lawsuit was just filed by the United States Justice Foundation against the Veterans Administration for snatching veterans’ gun rights without “due process” or any “factual or legal basis.”
WND has published multiple reports about how returning veterans were being deprived of their Second Amendment rights without a court-based adjudication competency process, based on arbitrary VA agency decisions.
The problem arises when the agency wants to appoint a fiduciary – someone to advise a disabled veteran or one receiving certain government benefits – to help with the management of those benefits.
The government then routinely notifies the FBI’s NICS system, a federally maintained list of those whose competency has been challenged, and that means they no longer can purchase a gun – or even keep the one they may have.
Michael Connelly, executive director of the USJF, told WND the initial lawsuit is to compel the VA to respond to two requests under the Freedom of Information Act.
“The information requested included Veterans Benefits Administration rules, regulations and criteria for making ‘determinations of incompetency due to a physical or mental condition of a benefit recipient,’” the legal team explained.
“The USJF has received numerous complaints from military veterans around the country who are being declared incompetent to handle their own financial affairs and then told that they can no longer purchase or own firearms or ammunition,” said Connelly. “This determination is being made without due process protections for the veterans and the basis for the incompetency ruling is often arbitrary and without a factual or legal basis.”
CRS attorneys, however, note that there doesn’t have to be a huge case for an American to pay huge consequences.
“Given the Obama administration’s informal statements and current approach to medical marijuana, it would appear unlikely that the DOJ is going to expend significant resources to investigate and prosecute individuals who merely possess and use less than one ounce of marijuana, in private, pursuant to Washington or Colorado Law,” they wrote.
“However, even if the probability of becoming the subject of a federal criminal prosecution for a violation … appears remote, there does exist a number of other consequences under federal law that are triggered by the mere use of marijuana, even absent an arrest or conviction.
“Most prominently among these concerns is the possibility that marijuana users may lose their ability to purchase and possess a firearm …”
 

Crusader Rabbit

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The Top Ten Things You Need To Know About Federal Gun Law


"5. No guns for drug users. Federal law also says that any person "who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance" is barred from possessing guns. 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3). What does that mean? Good question. "[T]he exact reach of the statute is not easy to define," to say the least! United States v. Jackson, 280 F.3d 403, 406 (4th Cir.), cert. denied, 536 U.S. 911 (2002).

The consensus seems to be that the statute does not apply to "infrequent" drug users or to those who used drugs in the "distant past." Instead, it is aimed at those whose drug use is "sufficiently consistent, 'prolonged,' and close in time to [their] gun possession to put [them] on notice that [they] qualified as an unlawful user of drugs under the statute." United States v. Edwards, 38 Fed. Appx. 134, 138 (4th Cir. 2002), cert. denied, --- U.S. ---, 123 S.Ct. 1764 (2003).

The bottom line is that if you have someone with a drug problem, you should tell them to get rid of their guns. If it is a close call, tell them about the law and let them decide if they want to take the risk of owning a gun."


http://www.williamslawonline.com/Press-Room/Top-10-Things-Know-About-Federal-Gun-Law.shtml
 

DemonPigeon

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Where I live both are banned...

Though actually, being british I do feel a lot safer knowing the idiots who fight each other, drunk, outside pubs and are still somehow more "socially acceptable" than pot smokers aren't allowed guns either...

Guns are like all forms of power, the person most suited to weild it sensibly is the person who least wants to.

Also to make hunting fair and therefore more like a real sport, I suport the right to arm bears :D
 

WelderDan

Well-known member
Veteran
Alcohol and nicotine are mind altering drugs too. No guns for drunks or smokers either.

Makes about as much sense to me.

The difference being alcohol is socially acceptable. Cigarettes not so much, but still legal.

I wish Henry Anslinger was still alive just so I could kick him in the nuts.
 
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BasementGrower

just another tactic to disarm the us.. so they can start there fema camps .. here comes NAZI AMERICA.
 

four20puppy

Active member
I asked my Native American friend how that worked for them. He said he would gladly trade back his Charecter for their land..
 

DemonPigeon

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Olordy? I thought the vigilanteism there was a reaction to the threats of violence from drug cartels rather than the authorities?

I think this thread is relevant and important because it relates to real issues over how the state is kept in check, and whether accountability can be held in the sights of a gun.

But I do feel that one of the posts above does rather feel like it was written by a man wearing a tin foil hat...

I was thinking about this, the American right to bear arms is to give the people the chance to overthrow tyrannical and corrupt leaders:

The right to bear arms against "bad" government was surely what inspired John Wilkes Booth and I wonder how many people would consider him an American patriot?

Likewise the action of a few radical serbians shooting the Arch-Duke of Austria-Hungary lead ultimately to two world wars...

Perhaps everyone should have the right to own guns, but I don't think guns have ever resolved a political or moral conflict.

People should bear arms because they are free to do so and they desire to do so, not because the guns are protecting freedom.
 

DemonPigeon

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I'd not want to live in the USSR :-S
I just don't think the reason that the USSR was bad was a result of gun control, they had so many bad policies.
(I wasn't saying you were wearing the tinfoil hat)

I was just wondering about the mexican thing? seeing as I live a long way from mexico it's sometimes not the easiest to keep up with the news :p
 

C+W

Member
Alcohol and nicotine are mind altering drugs too. No guns for drunks or smokers either.

Makes about as much sense to me.

The difference being alcohol is socially acceptable. Cigarettes not so much, but still legal.

I wish Henry Anslinger was still alive just so I could kick him in the nuts.

I agree 100% - the rationale is the same. I've caught a helluva buzz off a cuban cigar before and wouldn't have felt comfortable behind the wheel. It is all about personal responsibility...
 

Maj.PotHead

End Cannibis Prohibition Now Realize Legalize !!
Mentor
Veteran
just wait until the mental health expansion of the back ground checks

google New York gun confiscation underway
 

Indie

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Why wouldn't you trust the government?

Why wouldn't you trust the government?

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DemonPigeon

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Don't be silly indie, everyone knows collonialism, religeous intolerance, belief in racial superiority, government by groups of powerful, wealthy families and politicians who go back on their agreements are all things that only happen in the past ;-)
 
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daylighting

I'd leave you some rep for that, but I have to spread it around some first. ;)
 

imnotcrazy

There is ALWAYS meaning to my madness ®
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just wait until the mental health expansion of the back ground checks

google New York gun confiscation underway


Yeah NY SAFE gives mental health professionals the right to trump Doctor/Patient Confidentiality rules.

Funny how this state law (S.A.F.E) will trump federal law (H.I.P.PA.) but not when it comes to our favorite plant


"
Privacy Rule

The effective compliance date of the Privacy Rule was April 14, 2003 with a one-year extension for certain "small plans". The HIPAA Privacy Rule regulates the use and disclosure of Protected Health Information (PHI) held by "covered entities" (generally, health care clearinghouses, employer sponsored health plans, health insurers, and medical service providers that engage in certain transactions.)[14] By regulation, the Department of Health and Human Services extended the HIPAA privacy rule to independent contractors of covered entities who fit within the definition of "business associates".[15] PHI is any information held by a covered entity which concerns health status, provision of health care, or payment for health care that can be linked to an individual.[16] This is interpreted rather broadly and includes any part of an individual's medical record or payment history. Covered entities must disclose PHI to the individual within 30 days upon request.[17] They also must disclose PHI when required to do so by law such as reporting suspected child abuse to state child welfare agencies.[18]


A covered entity may disclose PHI (Protected Health Information) to facilitate treatment, payment, or health care operations without a patient's express written authorization.[19] Any other disclosures of PHI (Protected Health Information) require the covered entity to obtain written authorization from the individual for the disclosure.[20] However, when a covered entity discloses any PHI, it must make a reasonable effort to disclose only the minimum necessary information required to achieve its purpose"


From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountability_Act#Privacy_Rule
 
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ak-51

The form only asks if you're a user. So apparently you are a-ok if you only grow and sell it.

Dealers: good
Patients: bad
 

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