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what was the smoke like back in the 20s n30s
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must have been stoney ass dogsjahrastafarii
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Watch yourself there boy
Watch yourself there boy
You could be hitting a little close to home. Know what I mean Vern?
Watch yourself there boy
You could be hitting a little close to home. Know what I mean Vern?
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greenmatter
i read someplace that all the hemp seed in the national seed bank (yes we have one) were destroyed by government order back in the 80's when the drug war was hot and heavy in the headlines.
the funny part is that all the seeds were from plants that were grown for rope and not head stash ......... the genetic lines that drug crazed assholes like ben franklin was said to have smuggled back from france when he was our ambassador to that country
EastFortRock
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Don't know about the 30's, but a friend of my brother said in 50's Kansas City , he was getting good weed 5 bucks an ounce and it was pretty common that all ages of folks were smoking it. [Low income neighborhood] He is gone now, so no more info on it.
sharkrider
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my grandfather told me many times of smoking hashish in Paris which was where he was from.
Here, from Satchmo himself talking about his memories of Mary Warner
http://www.ukcia.org/potculture/30/louis.html
http://www.ukcia.org/potculture/30/louis.html
The 1944 LaGuardia Committee Report is interesting.
Imports from Africa?
I know it's out of place here, but the April 28, 1945 editorial response from the Journal of the American Medical Association is also interesting:
For many years medical scientists have considered cannabis a dangerous drug. Nevertheless, a book called "Marihuana Problems" by the New York City Mayor's Committee on Marihuana submits an analysis by seventeen doctors of tests on 77 prisoners and, on this narrow and thoroughly unscientific foundation, draws sweeping and inadequate conclusions which minimize the harmfulness of marihuana. Already the book has done harm. One investigator has described some tearful parents who brought their 16 year old son to a physician after he had been detected in the act of smoking marihuana. A noticeable mental deterioration had been evident for some time even to their lay minds. The boy said he had read an account of the La Guardia Committee report and that this was his justification for using marihuana.
...The book states unqualifiedly to the public that the use of this narcotic does not lead to physical, mental or moral degeneration and that permanent deleterious effects from its continued use were not observed on 77 prisoners. This statement has already done great damage to the cause of law enforcement. Public officials will do well to disregard this unscientific, uncritical study and continue to regard marihuana as a menace wherever it is purveyed.
They also published Harry Anslinger's response and 9 other articles he wrote for them.
Imports from Africa?
I know it's out of place here, but the April 28, 1945 editorial response from the Journal of the American Medical Association is also interesting:
For many years medical scientists have considered cannabis a dangerous drug. Nevertheless, a book called "Marihuana Problems" by the New York City Mayor's Committee on Marihuana submits an analysis by seventeen doctors of tests on 77 prisoners and, on this narrow and thoroughly unscientific foundation, draws sweeping and inadequate conclusions which minimize the harmfulness of marihuana. Already the book has done harm. One investigator has described some tearful parents who brought their 16 year old son to a physician after he had been detected in the act of smoking marihuana. A noticeable mental deterioration had been evident for some time even to their lay minds. The boy said he had read an account of the La Guardia Committee report and that this was his justification for using marihuana.
...The book states unqualifiedly to the public that the use of this narcotic does not lead to physical, mental or moral degeneration and that permanent deleterious effects from its continued use were not observed on 77 prisoners. This statement has already done great damage to the cause of law enforcement. Public officials will do well to disregard this unscientific, uncritical study and continue to regard marihuana as a menace wherever it is purveyed.
They also published Harry Anslinger's response and 9 other articles he wrote for them.
jahrastafarii
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NICE
barnyard
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"It was a change in the laws rather than a change in the drug or in human nature that stimulated the large-scale marketing of marijuana for recreational use in the United States. Not until the Eighteenth Amendment and the Volstead Act of 1920 raised the price of alcoholic beverages and made them less convenient to secure and inferior in quality did a substantial commercial trade in marijuana for recreational use spring up.
Evidence for such a trade comes from New York City, where marijuana "tea pads" were established about 1920. They resembled opium dens or speakeasies except that prices were very low; a man could get high for a quarter on marijuana smoked in the pad, or for even less if he bought the marijuana at the door and took it away to smoke. Most of the marijuana, it was said, was harvested from supplies growing wild on Staten Island or in New Jersey and other nearby states; marijuana and hashish imported from North Africa were more potent and cost more. These tea pads were tolerated by the city, much as alcohol speakeasies were tolerated. By the 1930s there were said to be 500 of them in New York City alone. 1
In 1926 the �New Orleans Item and �Morning Tribune, two newspapers under common ownership, published highly sensational expos�s of the "menace" of marijuana. 2 They reported that it was coming into New Orleans from Havana, Tampico, and Vera Cruz in large quantities, plus smaller amounts from Texas. "In one day, ten sailors were followed from the time they left their ships until they delivered their respective packages of the drug to a particular block in the Vieux Carre." 3 The sailors, it was said, bought marijuana in the Mexican ports for $10 or $12 per kilogram (2.2 pounds) and sold it in the Vieux Carr� for $35 to $50. 4 This was far more profitable than smuggling a comparable weight of whiskey.
Much of the smuggled marijuana was smoked in New Orleans; but some, it was said, was shipped?? up the Mississippi and "found its way as far north as Cleveland, Ohio, where a well-known physician said it was smoked in one of the exclusive men's clubs." 5
In New Orleans, the reporters in 1926 laid particular stress on the smoking of marijuana by children. "It was definitely ascertained that school children of 44 schools (only a few of these were high schools) were smoking 'mootas.' Verifications came in by the hundreds from harassed parents, teachers, neighborhood pastors, priests, welfare workers and club women.... The Waif's Home, at this time, was reputedly full of children, both white and colored, who had been brought in under the influence of the drug. Marijuana cigarettes could be bought almost as readily as sandwiches. Their cost was two for a quarter. The children solved the problem of cost by pooling pennies among the members of a group and then passing the cigarettes from one to another, all the puffs being carefully counted." 6
A Louisiana law passed in 1927, after the newspaper expos�, provided a maximum penalty of a $500 fine or six months' imprisonment for possession or sale of marijuana. * 7 There followed "a wholesale arrest of more than 150 persons. Approximately one hundred underworld dives, soft drink establishments, night clubs, grocery stores, and private homes were searched in the police raids. Addicts, hardened criminals, gangsters, women of the streets, sailors of all nationalities, bootleggers, boys and girls?? many flashily dressed in silks and furs, others in working clothes all were rounded up in the net which Captain Smith and his squad had set." 8
The newspaper investigation, the new law, and the heavily publicized police roundups did not, however, accomplish their purpose. On the contrary, according to Commissioner of Public Safety Frank Gomila, during the next few years New Orleans "experienced a crime wave which unquestionably was greatly aggravated by the influence of this drug habit. Payroll and bank guards were doubled, but this did not prevent some of the most spectacular hold-ups in the history of the city. Youngsters known to be 'muggle-heads' fortified themselves with the narcotic and proceeded to shoot down police, bank clerks and casual bystanders. Mr. Eugene Stanley, at that time District Attorney, declared that many of the crimes in New Orleans and the South were thus committed by criminals who relied on the drug to give them a false courage and freedom from restraint. Dr. George Roeling, Coroner, reported that of 450 prisoners investigated, 125 were confirmed users of marihuana. Mr. W. B. Graham, State Narcotic Officer, declared in 1936 that 60 percent of the crimes committed in New Orleans were by marihuana users." 9
Intensive patrolling of the New Orleans harbor tended to curb imports; but Louisianans were little inconvenienced by the smuggling curbs; they simply began to grow their own marijuana. "The first large growing crop in the city was found in 1930 and its value estimated at $35,000 to $50,000.... In 1936 about 1,200 pounds of bulk weed were seized along with considerable quantities of cigarettes. On one farm, 5-1/2 tons were destroyed and other farms yielded cultivated areas of about 10 acres....�
One resident of the city was found growing 100 large plants in his backyard." 10 The net effect of eleven years of vigorous law enforcement was summed up by Commissioner Gomila in 1938: "Cigarettes are hard to get and are selling at 30 to 40 cents apiece, which is a relatively high price and a particularly good indication of the effectiveness of the present control." 11 Marijuana smoking, in short, had become endemic in New Orleans?? and remains endemic today. What years of law enforcement had accomplished was to raise the price from two for 25 cents to 30 cents or 40 cents apiece?? and even this increase might be attributable in part to inflation.
In Colorado, the Denver News launched a similar series of sensational marijuana expos�s following the pattern set in New Orleans. 12 Mexican laborers imported to till the Colorado beet-sugar fields, it seems, had found Prohibition alcohol very expensive and so had resorted instead to marijuana, bringing their supplies north with them. A Colorado law against marijuana was duly passed in 1929."
from:
http://ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/469967?pageData=Post/469967
Evidence for such a trade comes from New York City, where marijuana "tea pads" were established about 1920. They resembled opium dens or speakeasies except that prices were very low; a man could get high for a quarter on marijuana smoked in the pad, or for even less if he bought the marijuana at the door and took it away to smoke. Most of the marijuana, it was said, was harvested from supplies growing wild on Staten Island or in New Jersey and other nearby states; marijuana and hashish imported from North Africa were more potent and cost more. These tea pads were tolerated by the city, much as alcohol speakeasies were tolerated. By the 1930s there were said to be 500 of them in New York City alone. 1
In 1926 the �New Orleans Item and �Morning Tribune, two newspapers under common ownership, published highly sensational expos�s of the "menace" of marijuana. 2 They reported that it was coming into New Orleans from Havana, Tampico, and Vera Cruz in large quantities, plus smaller amounts from Texas. "In one day, ten sailors were followed from the time they left their ships until they delivered their respective packages of the drug to a particular block in the Vieux Carre." 3 The sailors, it was said, bought marijuana in the Mexican ports for $10 or $12 per kilogram (2.2 pounds) and sold it in the Vieux Carr� for $35 to $50. 4 This was far more profitable than smuggling a comparable weight of whiskey.
Much of the smuggled marijuana was smoked in New Orleans; but some, it was said, was shipped?? up the Mississippi and "found its way as far north as Cleveland, Ohio, where a well-known physician said it was smoked in one of the exclusive men's clubs." 5
In New Orleans, the reporters in 1926 laid particular stress on the smoking of marijuana by children. "It was definitely ascertained that school children of 44 schools (only a few of these were high schools) were smoking 'mootas.' Verifications came in by the hundreds from harassed parents, teachers, neighborhood pastors, priests, welfare workers and club women.... The Waif's Home, at this time, was reputedly full of children, both white and colored, who had been brought in under the influence of the drug. Marijuana cigarettes could be bought almost as readily as sandwiches. Their cost was two for a quarter. The children solved the problem of cost by pooling pennies among the members of a group and then passing the cigarettes from one to another, all the puffs being carefully counted." 6
A Louisiana law passed in 1927, after the newspaper expos�, provided a maximum penalty of a $500 fine or six months' imprisonment for possession or sale of marijuana. * 7 There followed "a wholesale arrest of more than 150 persons. Approximately one hundred underworld dives, soft drink establishments, night clubs, grocery stores, and private homes were searched in the police raids. Addicts, hardened criminals, gangsters, women of the streets, sailors of all nationalities, bootleggers, boys and girls?? many flashily dressed in silks and furs, others in working clothes all were rounded up in the net which Captain Smith and his squad had set." 8
The newspaper investigation, the new law, and the heavily publicized police roundups did not, however, accomplish their purpose. On the contrary, according to Commissioner of Public Safety Frank Gomila, during the next few years New Orleans "experienced a crime wave which unquestionably was greatly aggravated by the influence of this drug habit. Payroll and bank guards were doubled, but this did not prevent some of the most spectacular hold-ups in the history of the city. Youngsters known to be 'muggle-heads' fortified themselves with the narcotic and proceeded to shoot down police, bank clerks and casual bystanders. Mr. Eugene Stanley, at that time District Attorney, declared that many of the crimes in New Orleans and the South were thus committed by criminals who relied on the drug to give them a false courage and freedom from restraint. Dr. George Roeling, Coroner, reported that of 450 prisoners investigated, 125 were confirmed users of marihuana. Mr. W. B. Graham, State Narcotic Officer, declared in 1936 that 60 percent of the crimes committed in New Orleans were by marihuana users." 9
Intensive patrolling of the New Orleans harbor tended to curb imports; but Louisianans were little inconvenienced by the smuggling curbs; they simply began to grow their own marijuana. "The first large growing crop in the city was found in 1930 and its value estimated at $35,000 to $50,000.... In 1936 about 1,200 pounds of bulk weed were seized along with considerable quantities of cigarettes. On one farm, 5-1/2 tons were destroyed and other farms yielded cultivated areas of about 10 acres....�
One resident of the city was found growing 100 large plants in his backyard." 10 The net effect of eleven years of vigorous law enforcement was summed up by Commissioner Gomila in 1938: "Cigarettes are hard to get and are selling at 30 to 40 cents apiece, which is a relatively high price and a particularly good indication of the effectiveness of the present control." 11 Marijuana smoking, in short, had become endemic in New Orleans?? and remains endemic today. What years of law enforcement had accomplished was to raise the price from two for 25 cents to 30 cents or 40 cents apiece?? and even this increase might be attributable in part to inflation.
In Colorado, the Denver News launched a similar series of sensational marijuana expos�s following the pattern set in New Orleans. 12 Mexican laborers imported to till the Colorado beet-sugar fields, it seems, had found Prohibition alcohol very expensive and so had resorted instead to marijuana, bringing their supplies north with them. A Colorado law against marijuana was duly passed in 1929."
from:
http://ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/469967?pageData=Post/469967
the himalayan hashplants are ancient,, ganja has been very potent for many many millenia which is why we have such a diverse gene pool and set of genotypes to play with..
we know that hash is a very old commodity as well, "landrace" hash is as potent today as it ever was, as well as all entheogens essentially which humanity once enjoyed to it's heart's content..
we walk in the footsteps of our ancestors..
in terms of sensi buds and not hash, africa has seen some of the longest selection towards that, which, imo, is why african sativas are so different to the others..
we know that hash is a very old commodity as well, "landrace" hash is as potent today as it ever was, as well as all entheogens essentially which humanity once enjoyed to it's heart's content..
we walk in the footsteps of our ancestors..
in terms of sensi buds and not hash, africa has seen some of the longest selection towards that, which, imo, is why african sativas are so different to the others..
An old link from a friend
http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/12.htm
Amazing if true ther are footnotes/references
New York Times speaks of hashish early as 1914
I love the mention of the tea pads in Harlem an the differnt grades an possible origins S.america / Africa .Some coincidence How Nyc an Uptown are still known to have the best available .It's somthing to think maybe the NYC haze is Descended from one of these old strains
1luvbigherb
http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/12.htm
Amazing if true ther are footnotes/references
New York Times speaks of hashish early as 1914
I love the mention of the tea pads in Harlem an the differnt grades an possible origins S.america / Africa .Some coincidence How Nyc an Uptown are still known to have the best available .It's somthing to think maybe the NYC haze is Descended from one of these old strains
1luvbigherb
Heh. Back sometime in the mid 70's, when my brother was married, we were going from the Church to the reception across town. My great aunt Anita, very sharp, very spry for a woman in her 70's, insisted on riding across town with myself & the other stoners.
Bummer? Not at all. We hadn't gone a block when she piped up- "Who's got the dope?" I laughed, lit up a joint of primo red Colombian, passed it to her... After exhaling, she complimented the taste, then the high as the joint went around a couple of times... She explained that she'd been a NYC flapper in the 20's, a real party girl who got married, moved West & that her husband had disapproved, & besides that she didn't know anybody who toked when she got to Colorado Springs... Hadn't been high since a vacation in Cuba in the 50's... They were both drinkers, so she made do with that... I lit another, & we were all stoned silly when we got to the reception, with much disapproval from the straights. She didn't care one bit, but rather regaled in being scandalous... She was always a lot of fun, anyway, and a complete laugh riot stoned that day... lots of stories about the scene in NYC in the 20's. Never had the opportunity to enjoy her company much after that & she passed away not too many years later. A truly amazing woman.
Bummer? Not at all. We hadn't gone a block when she piped up- "Who's got the dope?" I laughed, lit up a joint of primo red Colombian, passed it to her... After exhaling, she complimented the taste, then the high as the joint went around a couple of times... She explained that she'd been a NYC flapper in the 20's, a real party girl who got married, moved West & that her husband had disapproved, & besides that she didn't know anybody who toked when she got to Colorado Springs... Hadn't been high since a vacation in Cuba in the 50's... They were both drinkers, so she made do with that... I lit another, & we were all stoned silly when we got to the reception, with much disapproval from the straights. She didn't care one bit, but rather regaled in being scandalous... She was always a lot of fun, anyway, and a complete laugh riot stoned that day... lots of stories about the scene in NYC in the 20's. Never had the opportunity to enjoy her company much after that & she passed away not too many years later. A truly amazing woman.
jahrastafarii
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AWESOME MAN
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jahrastafarii
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idk man maybe they fertilizing the dank with mamoth manure
