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how the fed will respond... CO/WA

MIway

Registered User
Veteran
this is a 32 page doc written by two legislative attorneys covering federal preemption over CO &WA. Summary is pasted below, link to doc at the bottom. Its an interesting read as it covers existing tactics and new legislation currently proposed. Wriiten this month, so most detailed outline of what the fed is mulling over to date.




Summary

May a state authorize the use of marijuana for recreational purposes even if such use is forbidden by federal law? This novel and unresolved legal question has vexed judges, politicians, and legal scholars, and it has also generated considerable public debate among supporters and opponents of “legalizing” the recreational use of marijuana.

Under the federal Controlled Substances Act (CSA), the cultivation, distribution, and possession of marijuana are prohibited for any reason other than to engage in federally approved research. Yet 18 states and the District of Columbia currently exempt qualified users of medicinal marijuana from penalties imposed under state law. In addition, Colorado and Washington recently became the first states to legalize, regulate, and tax small amounts of marijuana for nonmedicinal (so-called “recreational”) use by individuals over the age of 21. Thus, the current legal status of marijuana appears to be both contradictory and in a state of flux: as a matter of federal law, activities related to marijuana are generally prohibited and punishable by criminal penalties, whereas at the state level, certain marijuana usage is increasingly being permitted. Individuals and businesses engaging in marijuana-related activities that are authorized by state law nonetheless remain subject to federal criminal prosecution or other consequences under federal law.

The Colorado and Washington laws that legalize, regulate, and tax an activity the federal government expressly prohibits appear to be logically inconsistent with established federal policy toward marijuana, and are therefore likely subject to a legal challenge under the constitutional doctrine of preemption. This doctrine generally prevents states from enacting laws that are inconsistent with federal law. Under the Supremacy Clause, state laws that conflict with federal law are generally preempted and therefore void and without effect. Yet Congress intended that the CSA would not displace all state laws associated with controlled substances, as it wanted to preserve a role for the states in regulating controlled substances. States thus remain free to pass laws relating to marijuana, or any other controlled substance, so long as they do not create a “positive conflict” with federal law, such that the two laws “cannot consistently stand together.”

This report summarizes the Washington and Colorado marijuana legalization laws and evaluates whether, or the extent to which, they may be preempted by the CSA or by international agreements. It also highlights potential responses to these recent legalization initiatives by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and identifies other noncriminal consequences that marijuana users may face under federal law. Finally, the report closes with a description of legislative proposals introduced in the 113th Congress relating to the treatment of marijuana under federal law, including H.R. 499 (Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2013); H.R. 501 (Marijuana Tax Equity Act of 2013); H.R. 689 (States’ Medical Marijuana Patient Protection Act); H.R. 710 (Truth in Trials Act); H.R. 784 (States’ Medical Marijuana Property Rights Protection Act); and H.R. 964 (Respect States’ and Citizens’ Rights Act of 2013).


http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43034.pdf
 

Growcephus

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Veteran
The feds will react in a manner that is as costly to the tax payer as possible, makes the least amount of sense, and inflicts the most amount of misery to citizens as possible.
 

Mud Boy

Member
Here's what's on Holder's plate: eighteen states with MM laws, 2 states have legalized, over half the country is in favor of legalization, 45-50% of the population hates the government and resents it's interference in their lives, anti-drug politicians, over zealous drug warriors and the for-profit prison industry screaming 'no no no', LEAP, ASA, MPP and a hundred other acronyms screaming 'yes yes yes'. I hope his fucking head explodes. :biggrin:
 

unregistered190

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Here's what's on Holder's plate: eighteen states with MM laws, 2 states have legalized, over half the country is in favor of legalization, 45-50% of the population hates the government and resents it's interference in their lives, anti-drug politicians, over zealous drug warriors and the for-profit prison industry screaming 'no no no', LEAP, ASA, MPP and a hundred other acronyms screaming 'yes yes yes'. I hope his fucking head explodes. :biggrin:

yup, that about sums it up
 

Chunkypigs

passing the gas
Veteran
I think cali goes legal in 2014 with Gavin's run for gov...
the wave has not crested on this by a long shot but not all states have the means to pull off ballot initiatives.
 

xmobotx

ecks moe baw teeks
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Veteran
whats interesting is internet in general comments relative to cannabis issues

while voters have moved in to the over 50% category in favor of cannabis; people in general {many of whom must not vote apparently ~unless the elections are rigged} overwhelmingly approve ~something like 7 to 1 in favor in the comments on a typical article from a news site

it seems to be becoming the exception to run in to anyone who has any adverse opinions about cannabis IRL ~but; people tend to play to the audience they have IRL ~however the internet w/ its anonymity makes a pretty good reference
 

VenturaHwy

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"May a state authorize the use of marijuana for recreational purposes even if such use is forbidden by federal law?"

To me the US Constitution is the only place to look for a conflict between States and Federal laws...

(1) the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution...
 

Mud Boy

Member
Looks like they're gonna trot out Kerlikowski tomorrow to announce Obama's new drug policy. Get ready for re-education camps. :moon:
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
Veteran
California is the planet's eighth largest economy with Significant influence. Like it or not, they are a Huge player in the world. If California sides with Washington and Colorado the tide will be turned in the Federal Prohibition of Marijuana. With that will come a complete shift in politics and economy that will shake the world.
 

k-s-p

Well-known member
Veteran
I think cali goes legal in 2014 with Gavin's run for gov...
the wave has not crested on this by a long shot but not all states have the means to pull off ballot initiatives.

This is key. If the eastern states had the initiative process, the feds would have even more on their hands.
 

LayedBack

Member
Looks like they're gonna trot out Kerlikowski tomorrow to announce Obama's new drug policy. Get ready for re-education camps. :moon:

I wouldn't be too cynical and negative just yet. We need a complete turn around in drug policy and any little bit of change could be a really good thing. I'd rather they at least try something new instead of being all negative anytime someone tries to make a change.

Also I'd rather end up in a drug treatment facility than prison. Just sayin'.
 

castout

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Veteran
IF they are even entertaining the idea of legalization, it is only because BIG PHARMA is ready to get in the mix......follow the BIGPHARMA SUPERPAC.....nothing gets done in Washington, unless it is bought and paid for.
 

Tony Aroma

Let's Go - Two Smokes!
Veteran
As the report states, the Feds don't have any really good options. Which they already knew.

My prediction: The Feds will not make any official policy announcement about WA and CO. Ever. They might release another "Ogden Memo," but nothing that clarifies their position or is legally binding. They will continue as they have -- with smash and grabs, threats to landlords and property seizures, threats to banks and credit card companies, calling in the IRS, etc. However, I'd bet they rarely if ever actually arrest or charge anybody in WA or CO. That's because they'll no longer get any help from local LEO, and it will become increasingly difficult to get a marijuana conviction form a jury in those states. Instead, they'll stick with doing things that bypass the criminal justice system (to avoid a showdown in court), and hope that Congress does something about the situation so the administration doesn't have to make any actual decisions.
 

Mud Boy

Member
I wouldn't be too cynical and negative just yet.

I can't be anything but cynical, I've been waiting too long, had too many hopes dashed. I smoked my first joint in 1968, I've been a member of NORML since 1970, and I have seen states decriminalize and re-criminalize several times, I've watched judges sentence my friends to 90 days in jail for a fucking seed, I've seen cops beat the shit out of people just for smoking a bowl in the park, I've had the shit beat out of me in handcuffs in the back room of the jail. I've seen people get their kids taken away over this shit, and I trust absolutely no one who says that we're going to make everything better. Been there, done that. Sorry bro, I still think we're a long way off, and I would still rather be in jail than treatment. I will not submit.:2cents:
 

barnyard

Member
one thing to keep in mind...

"Law enforcement officers at area national parks and forests are reminding visitors that the use of marijuana for recreational purposes is illegal on federal lands.

The recently passed state law, which allows recreational marijuana use, has no bearing on federal laws, which continue to identify marijuana as a Schedule I illegal drug and prohibit its use, said Donna Nemeth, a spokeswoman at Olympic National Forest.

“Mount Rainier National Park, as do all National Park Service areas under federal jurisdiction, has the exact same regulations regarding marijuana possession and use that Olympic does,” said Chuck Young, chief ranger at Mount Rainier.

Possession of marijuana or use of any amount of marijuana is still prohibited on all national forest and park lands and at all such facilities. Violations are punishable by a fine of not more than $5,000 for an individual or $10,000 for an organization, or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both.

Federal officials wanted to issue the reminder because of the change in Washington’s laws legalizing the possession of up to an ounce of marijuana and stories such as the recent seizure of 40 marijuana plants from a Seattle park.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/03/17/2517619/temporary-new-boss-at-mount-st.html#storylink=cpy"

it's tough to drive on Interstate highway without crossing Federal lands...and here's a scary thought, are Interstate Highways considered Federal property?
 

LayedBack

Member
I can't be anything but cynical, I've been waiting too long, had too many hopes dashed. I smoked my first joint in 1968, I've been a member of NORML since 1970, and I have seen states decriminalize and re-criminalize several times, I've watched judges sentence my friends to 90 days in jail for a fucking seed, I've seen cops beat the shit out of people just for smoking a bowl in the park, I've had the shit beat out of me in handcuffs in the back room of the jail. I've seen people get their kids taken away over this shit, and I trust absolutely no one who says that we're going to make everything better. Been there, done that. Sorry bro, I still think we're a long way off, and I would still rather be in jail than treatment. I will not submit.:2cents:

Fair enough then. I still differ in opinion, I feel like getting a treatment policy out there could potentially be the first step to something hopefully much more fair and beneficial. But then again, I'm much younger than you are and have more reason to hope for the future. That's not to say I don't realize it's completely possible that the administration is bullshitting and none of this will come to any good but I'll wait and see. Either way we're still on the same side here, we both want whats best for our fellow growers, tokers, and medicators right.
 

Ian T. MacLeod

New member
Something I have NEVER figured out is that the Federal Government was designed to have ONLY certain powers, and was specifically designed NOT to be able to overpower, out-vote or be superior to the States it was supposed to serve. So why in HELL has it done just that ALL THE DAMNED TIME for centuries?? I doan gedit... *sigh*

Ian
 

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