did you ask dank.frank's permission to use his CBxDB Bx1 in a seedline for public release? just curious
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DJ SHORT PRE 99 BLUE BERRY PROJECT
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what up guys sorry about the delay hears the last pics of the f2 cbxdb projec the first part of this pre 99 project the cbxdb is a great plant but not as bb as im looking for im going to hope i get a better phneo out the new 5 i poped last month but as far as the pre 99 goes wow va true gem she is week 1 of flower and she smells of bb already the no question this is going to be something great i will take some pics today i still plan on making the cbxdb x pre 99 but still looking for another male huge bb nugs is the goal but tell me what u think of this girl ill have it mt jam this year for sale and may be bonaroo if it last
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If you don't think you found a good pheno - then by all means DO NOT F2 that particular plant...seems to make sense to me.
I've said it before - I don't think that F2'ing the CB x DB line is really a magical ticket. The plants were selected for a given cannabinoid profile that was consistent across both plants - and the blue pixy stick smell of the Carolina Blue certainly couldn't hurt to be infused with the intense blueberry muffin of the digi, which my Bx1 male bred quite true for.
Carolina Blue, as a clone, auto-flowers quite easily under stress and can be difficult to keep as a mother. This comes from the Sweet Tooth in her...ie blue sat 2.2. Given Carolina Blue is a dominant plant in many of the offspring she has produced and that auto-flower isn't seen in her first generation filial offspring.
Digi, as a clone, when taken to long into flower or pushed too hard with nutrients, will throw male nanners all over. After all, she is an early 80's thai dominant blueberry cut...some finicky growth is to be expected. In her filial offspring, you have to be patient and sort and look for phenos that are stable under various stress conditions that still retain the desired qualities of the mother plant...
I put two of my favorite, yet very separated and far removed blue lines together (CB (2009) x DB (1986) Bx1) and some how got a rather stable line that produces great flowers true to cannabinoid profile and given pheno will have true blueberry terepene profile. Out of about 20 seeds you find 2 or 3 mutants that require very little to no food and then under such conditions begin to grow fine...
NOW if you take and F2 what you consider to be "less than desirable" phenos - and I can't hardly expect the results to be stable or progressive - I put out a warning against possible stability issues when exploring F2's in the CB x DB line from day - so - I don't know what you should expect when you F2 - could get messy, not sure.
What happened to the heavily serrated male that you said was blueberry smelling? I happened to notice you didn't explain / answer the one members post in regards to the serrations either. What is the deal with the serrations? (devils advocate)
dank.Frank
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Frank your shit was off the hook I know that ill find the bb in the 20 seeds I got I don't have the room at the time to pop all at once. the cbxdb was a monster thick leather leaves I got the sour bubble end of it I think it's strong as fuck and the smell of the tall one I got was very sour under a light sweet smell allmost may be wine but more sour then any thing the other fem I got the short shout one its not sour at all just sweet resin to the max it like fluffy but the resin fills it in ill take some pics
It's bomb frank I was in a rush after work and didn't give your work is proper report I'm sorry I got other I pop coming up I'm hoping to find the bb
It's bomb frank I was in a rush after work and didn't give your work is proper report I'm sorry I got other I pop coming up I'm hoping to find the bb
Not trying to discourage and wasn't offended in anyway at all - just wanted to give my input as I've been watching but largely silent and saw SourSmoker asking if I was aware of the project...
Just want to help direct in pheno selection so you get the results you are after in the line. Don't settle is my point. I'm sure you can find something within 20 seeds that is to your liking for the project if the first few aren't really screaming for attention...the reviews are solid and consistent on the line and what you seek is certainly there...albeit there are certainly some phenotype variations.
It's not about me - it's about the plant and the medicine - and getting from A to B successfully.
dank.Frank
Just want to help direct in pheno selection so you get the results you are after in the line. Don't settle is my point. I'm sure you can find something within 20 seeds that is to your liking for the project if the first few aren't really screaming for attention...the reviews are solid and consistent on the line and what you seek is certainly there...albeit there are certainly some phenotype variations.
It's not about me - it's about the plant and the medicine - and getting from A to B successfully.
dank.Frank
And in having stated your goals - "huge bb nugs" - you may run into a bit of a stalemate. It's in part why such crosses like BB x NL are staples for people seeking blue dominant phenos that yield.
Again, think out crossed families...Blue Dream another example of blue + yield - but that blueberry influence in that outcross was due to wise pheno selection...
The blue family incrosses - well, that's an entirely different ball game and why there are so many threads dedicated to those purists doing such types of work within the DJ specific gene pools...
dank.Frank
Again, think out crossed families...Blue Dream another example of blue + yield - but that blueberry influence in that outcross was due to wise pheno selection...
The blue family incrosses - well, that's an entirely different ball game and why there are so many threads dedicated to those purists doing such types of work within the DJ specific gene pools...
dank.Frank
Ya I just poped a gorilla grape x north berry the north berry is nl x blue berry
I will hit this with the pre 99 down the line
And making f2 of the cbxdb will show more selection othe the line correct even if I find a good bb Dom cbxdb female I can stress that bb Dom female and cross with the pre 99 with both Dom bb get A ratio of bb dom seeds if I take then if u take the best find out of that then self that to a S1 And if u make S2 S3 S4 it will be homogeneous correct ?
I will hit this with the pre 99 down the line
And making f2 of the cbxdb will show more selection othe the line correct even if I find a good bb Dom cbxdb female I can stress that bb Dom female and cross with the pre 99 with both Dom bb get A ratio of bb dom seeds if I take then if u take the best find out of that then self that to a S1 And if u make S2 S3 S4 it will be homogeneous correct ?
Depends if the plant expresses itself to any degree of a homozygous nature or not...but you can certainly incross via selfing to theoretically narrow variation to a given expression...
At the same time - plants that breed true for multiple expressions are hard to find. So you might find yourself with say a CB x DB Bx1 female that isn't really the best - but when S1'ed is very consistent to itself. You could attempt to re-establish traits back into a plant that has less variation - but this line is so poly-poly-poly - you know! It's not a "true" F1 - even with the blue lines being that removed from each other...there is still that sour bubble latency in there lurking - so...that puts yet another modern poly twist you avoid if selecting to the blue side - even if it does express more stability, in my opinion.
You have to explore the phenos you are presented with in whatever way you deem valid and important / significant to your end goal. Having a desired outcome is essential to the direction of your project. You can't vary too far outside those parameters or you end up pollen chucking into oblivion in what once was an organized directive...
dank.Frank
At the same time - plants that breed true for multiple expressions are hard to find. So you might find yourself with say a CB x DB Bx1 female that isn't really the best - but when S1'ed is very consistent to itself. You could attempt to re-establish traits back into a plant that has less variation - but this line is so poly-poly-poly - you know! It's not a "true" F1 - even with the blue lines being that removed from each other...there is still that sour bubble latency in there lurking - so...that puts yet another modern poly twist you avoid if selecting to the blue side - even if it does express more stability, in my opinion.
You have to explore the phenos you are presented with in whatever way you deem valid and important / significant to your end goal. Having a desired outcome is essential to the direction of your project. You can't vary too far outside those parameters or you end up pollen chucking into oblivion in what once was an organized directive...
dank.Frank
Personally - I find that Carolina Blue yields much better - has a trichome field density that is just extreme. I want to find a Carolina Blue x Digi Bx1 pheno that is pure blueberry muffin, like Digi - to take back to the Bx1 male pollen.
ie
(Carolina Blue x Digi Bx1) x Digi Bx1
From there - a male to double back to Carolina Blue -
Carolina Blue x [(Carolina Blue x Digi Bx1) x Digi Bx1] - for the CB Bx1 line -
Now, I'll not change that plan AT ALL. The plants I want will fit into THIS scheme. Given the right pheno...and enough sorting..I'll find the piece of the puzzle I seek to put things back together the way I personally want.
You have to have a goal - you have to stick within that plan. In your situation, with limited seeds, you are right to think F2 - so you can increase the amount of stock you have to sort - it's just, you know...F2 unlocks A LOT with so much poly action going on. Gets hectic FAST.
Again, I just want to help you make that F2 selection the BEST you possibly can with what you have. And really, it isn't personal. They are plants. If the gear doesn't stack up - don't sugar coat it. BUT ALSO - don't use it!!! Don't work your project the wrong direction just because you feel limited by the current expressions!
dank.Frank
ie
(Carolina Blue x Digi Bx1) x Digi Bx1
From there - a male to double back to Carolina Blue -
Carolina Blue x [(Carolina Blue x Digi Bx1) x Digi Bx1] - for the CB Bx1 line -
Now, I'll not change that plan AT ALL. The plants I want will fit into THIS scheme. Given the right pheno...and enough sorting..I'll find the piece of the puzzle I seek to put things back together the way I personally want.
You have to have a goal - you have to stick within that plan. In your situation, with limited seeds, you are right to think F2 - so you can increase the amount of stock you have to sort - it's just, you know...F2 unlocks A LOT with so much poly action going on. Gets hectic FAST.
Again, I just want to help you make that F2 selection the BEST you possibly can with what you have. And really, it isn't personal. They are plants. If the gear doesn't stack up - don't sugar coat it. BUT ALSO - don't use it!!! Don't work your project the wrong direction just because you feel limited by the current expressions!
dank.Frank
Thanks frank I def plan on taking time todo it right before anything goes out as long as it take I have no prob changing my mine if it does go they way I wanted
I have more cbxdb seed to look for the phneo I want it's in there I just got to fine it not saying what I grow wasn't bomb as fuck
I have more cbxdb seed to look for the phneo I want it's in there I just got to fine it not saying what I grow wasn't bomb as fuck
Just know I am actually here, watching, reading and more than willing to help with any information I can.
I'D REALLY like to see you address that serration question. It's very relevant to the phenotypes that will be seen in the plant. It is essential to understand as much as you possibly can about the parents. If you can't answer that question - you don't have a full understanding of what you are selecting for - no offense intended.
Just to make sure we are on the same page with your selection criteria and such. Looking forward to seeing your project progress...
dank.Frank
I'D REALLY like to see you address that serration question. It's very relevant to the phenotypes that will be seen in the plant. It is essential to understand as much as you possibly can about the parents. If you can't answer that question - you don't have a full understanding of what you are selecting for - no offense intended.
Just to make sure we are on the same page with your selection criteria and such. Looking forward to seeing your project progress...
dank.Frank
How's the high on the ones you've pictured thus far? The plants were certainly grown very well - it appears to be good herbs! Would love to know what you think!
dank.Frank
dank.Frank
