San Diego Finest Cuts #3

[Storm Shadow]

no visible stunting. insane stretch. just zero nose and zero trichs.

i've identified and treated for broad mites before with no appreciable lasting effects to the plants outside of 3 weeks. shan's stock showed no evidence of mites but i treated as a prophylactic like i do with everything new that comes in my shop, especially after hearing about his reputation for passing off bunk cuts.

anyway i'm still not convinced it's all broad mites. still waiting for one of the LA homies to get back to me with his treatment for verticillium which he believes is the pathogen.

you know though, as much as i want to find out and eradicate the source of the duds—whatever it may be—that's not even the thing that gets me. we know the score when we get in this business. you grow plants for a living, you are beholden to the whims of mites and molds and insects.

if nature steps in and trashes my grow, i may get angry. i may even cry like a little bitch. but i'll get past it. i'm talking about a guy who's calling himself a professional out of one corner of his mouth while he's literally costing guys tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost grows, and yet it continues.

I can help you save alot of time...Your plants are being deprived of Sulfur and Broad Mites have weakend the plants internal defense system..Sulfur being a huge componet of handling biz when it comes to pathogens like verticillium .. I can see you dont want to believe me... here you go buddy read for yourself

http://www.soilsolutions.net/uploads/The Roles of Sulfur in Nutrient-Disease Interactions.pdf

I grow in mulitple locations large and small...indoors and out... we are talking thousands of plants a year... I dont have any Broad Mite or Dud problems... Ive also been doing my homework...something alot of us on here have been slipped up on...

Why do you think I tell everyone to use Neem Oil after the bad ass chems? Systemic Fungicide to ward off any borad mite toxin which invites a host of problems like verticillium ..

Bro Science cannot be used when it comes to Broad Mites

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10658-012-0067-5#

Sulphur supply impairs spread of Verticillium dahliae in tomato

Abstract


Vascular wilt caused by the soil-borne fungus Verticillium dahliae is a major yield and quality-limiting disease across a broad spectrum of crop plants worldwide. Sulphur-enhanced plant defence mechanisms provide an opportunity to effectively and environmentally safely constrain the wilt disease levels in planta. To evaluate the influence of sulphur nutrition on the protective potential of these mechanisms, two near-isogenic tomato genotypes differing in fungal susceptibility, were treated with low or supra-optimal sulphur supply. Microscopic analysis revealed a significant sulphur-induced decrease in the amount of infected vascular cells in both genotypes. However, plant shoot and severely pathogen-affected root growth did not display this distinct alleviating influence of sulphur nutrition. Rates of leaf photosynthesis were impeded by Verticillium dahliae infection in both genotypes especially under low sulphur nutrition. However, assimilate transport rates in the phloem sap were enhanced by fungal infection more in the resistant genotype and under high sulphur nutrition suggesting a stronger sink for assimilates in infected plant tissues possibly involved in sugar-induced defence. A SYBR Green-based absolute quantitative Real-Time assay using a species-specific primer was developed which sensitively reflected sulphur nutrition-dependent changes in fungal colonization patterns. High sulphur nutrition significantly reduced fungal spread in the stem in both tomato genotypes. Concentrations of selected sulphur-containing metabolites revealed an increase of the major anti-oxidative redox buffer glutathione under high sulphur nutrition in response to fungal colonization. Our study demonstrates the existence of sulphur nutrition-enhanced resistance of tomato against Verticillium dahliae mediated by sulphur-containing defence compounds.

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://www.biolmedonline.com/Articles/MAASCON-1/Vol3_2_232-249.pdf

Role of secondary metabolites in defense mechanisms of plants

Abstract
In all natural habitats, plants are surrounded by an enormous number of potential enemies (biotic) and various kinds of abiotic environmental stress. Nearly all ecosystems contain a wide variety of bacteria, viruses, fungi, nematodes, mites, insects, mammals and other herbivorous animals, greatly responsible for heavy reduction in crop productivity. By their nature, plants protect themselves by producing some compounds called as secondary metabolites. Secondary metabolites, including terpenes, phenolics and nitrogen (N) and sulphur (S) containing compounds, defend plants against a variety of herbivores and pathogenic microorganisms as well as various kinds of abiotic stresses. This review presents an overview about some of the mechanisms by which plants protect themselves against herbivory, pathogenic microbes and various abiotic stresses as well as specific plant responses to pathogen attack, the genetic control of host-pathogen interactions

 

[Storm Shadow]

Read Read Read

http://cals.arizona.edu/plp/plpext/diseases/vegetables/tomato/tomatovert.html

Diseases of tomato ( Lycopersicon esculetum ) in Arizona
Verticillium wilt
Verticillium wilt of tomato is caused by the fungal pathogen Verticillium dahliae. Typical symptoms on tomato are yellowing of leaves, wilt and leaf drop. Cut stems show a characteristic discoloration along the xylem.
Like Fusarium wilt, Verticillium wilt is not common on tomato in Arizona and is often misdiagnosed. The most common cause of wilting of garden tomatoes in Arizona is tomato russet mite. Verticillium wilt can be distinguished from russet mite damage since Verticillium wilt causes plants to wilt from the top down or branch by branch and exhibits xylem discoloration while mites cause tomatoes to yellow and wilt from the bottom up and there is no xylem discoloration. Russet mite can be controlled with applications of sulfur.


Bye Bye Bro Science .... beetlejuice do some reading to...your tainting everyones shit ...bad karma buddy... I cant stand clone guys...they are like elitist smokers....dont know shit about growing cannabis... Bro Science 101

 

[bent]

I'm pretty sure my cuts didn't have verticillium wilt because there was no discoloration in the stalk, but I also use azamax regularly, no chems. I kept a mom and took cuts; they look good and are thriving.

 

[sunset limited]

I can help you save alot of time...Your plants are being deprived of Sulfur and Broad Mites have weakend the plants internal defense system..Sulfur being a huge componet of handling biz when it comes to pathogens like verticillium .. I can see you dont want to believe me... here you go buddy read for yourself

http://www.soilsolutions.net/uploads/The Roles of Sulfur in Nutrient-Disease Interactions.pdf

I grow in mulitple locations large and small...indoors and out... we are talking thousands of plants a year... I dont have any Broad Mite or Dud problems... Ive also been doing my homework...something alot of us on here have been slipped up on...

Why do you think I tell everyone to use Neem Oil after the bad ass chems? Systemic Fungicide to ward off any borad mite toxin which invites a host of problems like verticillium ..

Bro Science cannot be used when it comes to Broad Mites

with all due respect, you couldn't be less correct in your assessment of me. emipirical method is my religion and these articles are intriguing. you call it bro science. i say stoner logic. whatever name you give it, it's no substitute for peer review.

1. i had been looking at ways to add S to my rez, not specifically for the reasons outlined in the articles, but because of its role in terpene production. elemental sulfur prills—the ones they burn for PM—were the first thing that occurred to me, but they don't work. they just drive your pH way up and don't provide available S in solution. i don't know that it adds much S at all, but i've been using H2SO4 battery acid from the auto parts store as my pH up during flower. what do you use to boost your sulfur levels? how much? and where do you source it?

2. i just want to reiterate this so it doesn't get lost in a thread about broad mites. there is a guy in this thread wrecking people's grows by selling cuts that regularly dud. if you buy his clones in good faith that they are viable and invest a small fortune in nutrients, medium, electricity, and labor, you are still liable to wind up with shite for product. no amount of sulfur or miticide will reclaim a dollar for you at this point.

since this conversation started this morning, i have received no less than 5 messages from other growers i have never discussed this topic with before. all of them knew exactly who i was talking about. they knew because they have dealt with the same thing from him. they all thanked me for my post. the reason most of them cited for not calling him out publicly? they said they "don't want to deal with the drama." i can appreciate that i guess, but what i really didn't want to deal with was investing hundreds (maybe thousands) of hours of my life and the lives of my helpers to grow, harvest, and process buds that are fit for the compost pile.

you want to fuck up my grow, treat my like an asshole when i bring it to your attention, and then expect me to keep my mouth shut as a courtesy to you so you can ruin other people's lives with impunity? not on my watch sir.

beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice.

 

[whatthe215]

thanks for the posts sunset, this issue needs to be addressed publicly.

he gave me cyclamen mites about 2 months ago... no one should be getting cuts from him. they're fuckin trash... not just infected with toxin, but eggs everywhere and mite damage galore.

i've struggled with getting an elite cut in my gardens for awhile, so i said screw it ill take the risk and quarantine and treat them. cuts of cuts of cuts and then finally flower some out down the road. they still look like shit after 2 months of babying them and treating with miticides and heat.

it ain't worth the risk fellas, no matter how beautiful the flowers in this thread are.

 

[Greyskull]

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[hobb3s93]

is there anyway to detect a dud early in flower?
had some kind of bugs it seems like since i got some cuts from PO a year ago. had some of their blackberry do almost nothing in flower, aswell as look like its preflowering in veg. this time around everything seemed heatly till like week 3 then the bottoms started dying ,yellowing and shriviling. really weird never figured it out ,all the tops made it through healthy.

 

[bent]

Man, you guys have got me a little worried. Can anyone tell me whether my cuts are duds? Like I said, I kept a mother, took cuts, and they look great, but you guys are making it sound like my dubtech are definitely tainted, and I should abort.

I did have a mutant in my original order that I was suspicious of but I treated it with a foliar rotation of azamax, evergreen, and spinosad. I also root drenched with azamax. Threw it into flower, and it turned out ok, although small and funky looking.

 

[Storm Shadow]

Sunset your a skilled grower...i wasnt directing bro science towards you at all...

Epsom Salts (magnesium Sulfate) anywhere from 1/2 teaspoon - 1tsp per gallon

My favorite! I use both of these btw...

Calcium Thiosulfate - 6% Calcium, 10% Sulfur

http://www.plantfoodco.com/lib/pdfs...C-Secondary-Nutrients-Calcium-Thiosulfate.pdf

same dosing as above ...this is all in RO water of course...your going to have to adjust if you use Tap since its got undisclosed amounts of sulfur in it....

Your strains that havent been effected by the dud problem will come out so nice and yummy after feeding it so much sulfur.....

 

[Storm Shadow]

Bent...Dud for sure...there are different levels of dudding...from hardcore Hemp to semi ok looking ...but nada like the original version

 

[sunset limited]

Man, you guys have got me a little worried. Can anyone tell me whether my cuts are duds? Like I said, I kept a mother, took cuts, and they look great, but you guys are making it sound like my dubtech are definitely tainted, and I should abort.

I did have a mutant in my original order that I was suspicious of but I treated it with a foliar rotation of azamax, evergreen, and spinosad. I also root drenched with azamax. Threw it into flower, and it turned out ok, although small and funky looking.

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without better resolution on the trichs (or lack thereof) it's pretty hard to tell.

 

[bent]

This pic might be better, but I guess you guys already answered my question. Fuck. I'm tempted to cull and start germinating. Anyone have a MNS strain they would recommend?

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10493-012-9638-6


Herbivory-associated degradation of tomato trichomes and its impact on biological control of

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Aculops lycopersici​

The collapse of glandular and non-glandular trichomes could either be the result of mites directly feeding on the trichomes or from mite-induced physiological changes in the plant. Preliminary data suggest that russet mites suppress JA defences in tomato reminiscent of some spider mite genotypes It is well known that a plant’s jasmonate metabolism can have a profound impact on trichomes i.e. on their development density and chemistry. ​

 

[groady-ho]

Bent...Dud for sure...there are different levels of dudding...from hardcore Hemp to semi ok looking ...but nada like the original version

besides the leaf deformations how can you tell it'a a dud?

 

[sweetsativa760]

Bent that looks like my adub, and I'm dropping it. Pretty sure its a dud. Does it smell like a very very faint og?

 

[bent]

During flower it smelled just like some alien dawg I used to get from a delivery guy a few years back; now it's curing.

 

[Storm Shadow]

besides the leaf deformations how can you tell it'a a dud?

its hard to tell unless your familiar with the strain and have grown it or seen it grown free of any BM damage...Smell will be minimal and taste is gone along with potency...all things that point to degradation of trichomes...and Nugs usually are not as dense

 

[bent]

My veg and flower are in close proximity; should I just get rid of my mom and flower the clones out while I germinate? Do you think they still have broad mites, or just residual damage?