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San Diego Finest Cuts #3
- Thread starter DoobieDuck
- Start date
Thanks, it's at 61 days in this pic with cloudy trichomes. I plan on taking it down within 3 days to maintain some Sativa effects.
Odub at 29 days (or so)
Odub looks kill as fuck.
S
Shan Diego
I just noticed the q-tip, was just starin at the plant before...didn't realize it was live action porn...whatcha hittin her with?
B
blue green
[rant]
ok. when other cats bring petty drama to this thread, i'm often one of the first to pipe up and ask them to please take that noise outside. pointless bickering serves no one. with that in mind, i apologize in advance for breaching a controversial subject. i feel it's important and in the best interest of the community as a whole though. important to the point where people's ability to earn a living have been and will continue to be compromised if this isn't brought to light.
first the bad news. that adub cut that i bitched about so vociferously? i shopped the flowers around to a few of the heads that's in the know, and it turns out that mine was completely dudded. like industrial hemp, good for making rope and nothing else dudded. i may as well have just cut checks for $10 grand to sdg&e, sd hydro, and my landlord and saved myself the time and energy of even growing the shit. my dubtech is serviceable, but by accounts, it isn't nearly up to par with what that strain should be. i suspected as much.
now the deeply troubling news. the individual from whom i sourced these genetics is a regular in this thread. he doesn't post pictures of his own flowers though because he doesn't grow flowers. he's a clone mill, plain and simple. out of respect for the thread, i won't mention his name publicly, but if you've got a clue what goes on here, you can easily figure out who the individual in question is.
when i brought the issue to his attention, his response was to flatly chalk it up to grower error. not an "i'm sorry my genetics torpedoed your whole fucking grow." not a "how can i make this right?" but rather, "well some guys do ok with those genes, so it must be you." now i could stomach that if i were a rank novice. i could deal with it if my gsc and diablo weren't blowing people's hair back and flying off the shelves. most of all, i could wrap my head around it if i were the only one. that's not the case though. i know of at least a handful of other growers who have had the exact same problem with the exact same cuts from the exact same source. all of them are competent growers. in fact, a couple of them are far better than me, hands down. better in fact than i may ever be. according to their accounts, at least one of them got the exact same story from this guy about how it couldn't have been the genetics.
i was on the fence about how to handle this situation, but then it clicked with me. when you're dealing with an individual who is making a living by WILLFULLY trading in genetics that may very well deprive his clientele of their ability to make a living, i feel that we all have an obligation to do what we can to prevent this sort of thing from continuing.
the man knows that multiple reputable growers have had serious issues with his stock. instead of doing the responsible thing and at least quarantining these strains until the issue has been figured out, he continues to offer the feeblest of excuses to explain why the problem is anything other than the dudded cuts he supplies. and he sells them as elite genetics without so much as a warning to guys who are counting on their grows to produce so they can pay the grocery bill and the mortgage. it's a predatory practice, and i don't want to see it happen to someone else because i didn't care enough to call it out when i had the chance.
if i had monocultured the adub (and i very nearly did) or if this had happened a couple months sooner when i didn't have the reserves to absorb this sort of loss, i would be ruined and back working in the building trades for $13 an hour.
bottom line is that it's still a buyer beware market, even among guys who are personally known to each other. i'm taking a few lessons away from this episode. first, never commit to flower out a whole room of anything until you've verified at least one example, no matter who it comes from. secondly, it is generally a bad practice to source genetics from anyone who either lacks the know-how or who simply doesn't care enough to flower out the stuff they are selling you. any grow report they can offer you is going to be second hand and therefore subject to extra scrutiny. and finally, when you're trying to get your hands on the snazzy new strain the everyone is talking about, the path of least resistance is very probably not the best one.
these things will happen. when they do, how we handle it—whether we allow it to continue or not in our little digital community and the larger local industry—this speaks volumes about our collective character.
[/rant]
ok. when other cats bring petty drama to this thread, i'm often one of the first to pipe up and ask them to please take that noise outside. pointless bickering serves no one. with that in mind, i apologize in advance for breaching a controversial subject. i feel it's important and in the best interest of the community as a whole though. important to the point where people's ability to earn a living have been and will continue to be compromised if this isn't brought to light.
first the bad news. that adub cut that i bitched about so vociferously? i shopped the flowers around to a few of the heads that's in the know, and it turns out that mine was completely dudded. like industrial hemp, good for making rope and nothing else dudded. i may as well have just cut checks for $10 grand to sdg&e, sd hydro, and my landlord and saved myself the time and energy of even growing the shit. my dubtech is serviceable, but by accounts, it isn't nearly up to par with what that strain should be. i suspected as much.
now the deeply troubling news. the individual from whom i sourced these genetics is a regular in this thread. he doesn't post pictures of his own flowers though because he doesn't grow flowers. he's a clone mill, plain and simple. out of respect for the thread, i won't mention his name publicly, but if you've got a clue what goes on here, you can easily figure out who the individual in question is.
when i brought the issue to his attention, his response was to flatly chalk it up to grower error. not an "i'm sorry my genetics torpedoed your whole fucking grow." not a "how can i make this right?" but rather, "well some guys do ok with those genes, so it must be you." now i could stomach that if i were a rank novice. i could deal with it if my gsc and diablo weren't blowing people's hair back and flying off the shelves. most of all, i could wrap my head around it if i were the only one. that's not the case though. i know of at least a handful of other growers who have had the exact same problem with the exact same cuts from the exact same source. all of them are competent growers. in fact, a couple of them are far better than me, hands down. better in fact than i may ever be. according to their accounts, at least one of them got the exact same story from this guy about how it couldn't have been the genetics.
i was on the fence about how to handle this situation, but then it clicked with me. when you're dealing with an individual who is making a living by WILLFULLY trading in genetics that may very well deprive his clientele of their ability to make a living, i feel that we all have an obligation to do what we can to prevent this sort of thing from continuing.
the man knows that multiple reputable growers have had serious issues with his stock. instead of doing the responsible thing and at least quarantining these strains until the issue has been figured out, he continues to offer the feeblest of excuses to explain why the problem is anything other than the dudded cuts he supplies. and he sells them as elite genetics without so much as a warning to guys who are counting on their grows to produce so they can pay the grocery bill and the mortgage. it's a predatory practice, and i don't want to see it happen to someone else because i didn't care enough to call it out when i had the chance.
if i had monocultured the adub (and i very nearly did) or if this had happened a couple months sooner when i didn't have the reserves to absorb this sort of loss, i would be ruined and back working in the building trades for $13 an hour.
bottom line is that it's still a buyer beware market, even among guys who are personally known to each other. i'm taking a few lessons away from this episode. first, never commit to flower out a whole room of anything until you've verified at least one example, no matter who it comes from. secondly, it is generally a bad practice to source genetics from anyone who either lacks the know-how or who simply doesn't care enough to flower out the stuff they are selling you. any grow report they can offer you is going to be second hand and therefore subject to extra scrutiny. and finally, when you're trying to get your hands on the snazzy new strain the everyone is talking about, the path of least resistance is very probably not the best one.
these things will happen. when they do, how we handle it—whether we allow it to continue or not in our little digital community and the larger local industry—this speaks volumes about our collective character.
[/rant]
the curious news is that i pollinated some of those a-duds with reversed dt7 and some others with subrob's gdp skunk. if nothing else, we should get a pretty good idea whether the dud syndrome—whatever the culprit may be—is a sexually transmitted disease.
and then there's the good news. my trimmers found 5 seeds in the cookies. daddy could be the gdp skunk, that reversed dt7, or maybe esben's diesel haze. hell, i didn't see any nanners, but they could be S1's for all i know. definitely going to run them out and see though.
and then there's the good news. my trimmers found 5 seeds in the cookies. daddy could be the gdp skunk, that reversed dt7, or maybe esben's diesel haze. hell, i didn't see any nanners, but they could be S1's for all i know. definitely going to run them out and see though.
BROADMITES i got them too from someone on this page ruined everything im talking Gs his socal homies confirmed it, DUDDED out sounds like BMs all the way! came from ecsd to be exact, im still bitter as is my crew...
nah man. i do believe broad mites are the culprit in some of the cases we've seen, but that's not what's in play here.
i treated for broad mites. (avid-forbid-avid @7 days) and then propped those 4 cuts out til i could fill my room. i've read that mite saliva can poison and stunt the plant for as long as 6 weeks. probably 20 generations and over a year later, the cuts are still garbage.
thanks for the thought. can't help wondering if it's the same dude that burned y'all.
i treated for broad mites. (avid-forbid-avid @7 days) and then propped those 4 cuts out til i could fill my room. i've read that mite saliva can poison and stunt the plant for as long as 6 weeks. probably 20 generations and over a year later, the cuts are still garbage.
thanks for the thought. can't help wondering if it's the same dude that burned y'all.
Sunset...sorry to hear about your problem bro... I hate Broad Mites for this very reason..many months after they have been killed, their fucken Toxins just linger...its almost better to throw everything away and start over from seed...any seeds you make with dudded plants will be fine... did you notice much shorter plant than usual this round? Did your duds have minimal stretch to them?
We need to start a thread and make it a sticky on to revive our precious stock that gets tainted by Broad Mites....
We need to start a thread and make it a sticky on to revive our precious stock that gets tainted by Broad Mites....
100000000000000% Broad Mite causes Duds ...Ive been saying this since 2011
SmokeTrees.... do u remember that Larry OG you grew out years back and you posted only Black/White Photos of her? she looked nothing like the dank you grow....I swear I could see it dudded... Broad Mite damage has been in the scene for quite some years now...
Everyone Thank Progressive Options for only using Forbid and Never rotating to Avid or anything else... Shit even Elite Edge Genetics in Santa Ana has mad BM's...they are ex partners for P.O! Broad Mites are the Ebola of the game
Everyone Thank Progressive Options for only using Forbid and Never rotating to Avid or anything else... Shit even Elite Edge Genetics in Santa Ana has mad BM's...they are ex partners for P.O! Broad Mites are the Ebola of the game
I agree, a 2nd broad mite thread dedicated to rehabilitating duds is a great idea.
I also agree that Broad Mite have been around for a long time. It's a joke among friends that I sound like a broken record and that's it's my default explanation for everything but I too have felt that a lot of the great classics went south because of this scourge. After all they were first identified as a pest in the So Cal citrus groves all the way back in 1979.
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Veg N Out
Why dont those of you getting fucked over by this cat just go cut their stuff down? Around here no one would let a person like that continue to do business...You cant fuck with some ones livelyhood.
Can anyone tell me if my DT7s look dudded? I think mine could have been from the same source. I've been happy with them so far, but if they're not what they could be, I have plenty of seeds to find a keeper from. Although I only grow for myself and two other patients, I wouldn't want to waste time and space on something not up to par. Like I said, I've been happy with them so far, but I haven't grown enough to know a dud when I see one. If they're not dudded, and from the same source, could it be due to other factors and not necessarily grower or vendor error?
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1570-7458.2005.00275.x/abstract
Interaction between cucumber plants and the broad mite, Polyphagotarsonemus latus: from damage to defense gene expression
Abstract
The broad mite (BM), Polyphagotarsonemus latus (Banks) (Acari: Tarsonemidae), is a minute polyphagous mite that has severe effects on the host plant. Mechanisms of BM injury and subsequent plant responses are unclear. In this study we characterized the morphological and molecular reactions of cucumber plants (Cucumis sativus L., Cucurbitaceae) to BM infestation. Infested plants showed growth inhibition and a decrease in leaf number and leaf area. There was also an increase in the firmness of the infested leaves, as measured by a texture analyzer. Broad mite feeds on the epidermis, but structural and ultrastructural studies revealed aberrations in the whole leaf tissue. Severe infestation led to a complete loss of epidermis and an increase in mesophyll cell size and number. In transmission electron microscope (TEM) images, the entire epidermal tissue appeared to have collapsed, and the mesophyll cell walls appeared thick and distorted. In the infested leaves, a Northern blot analysis revealed the induction of genes related to the jasmonic acid (JA)/ethylene and salicylic acid (SA) pathways, such as lipoxygenase (LOX) and β-1,3 glucanase (BGL2), and an induction of oxidative stress-responsive transcripts, such as peroxidase (PRX). Transcript levels of ACC oxidase (ACO) that participate in ethylene biosynthesis, remained relatively constant. This work reveals that BM feeding causes dramatic morphological, structural, and ultrastructural changes, along with an induction of genes involved in defense pathways. Further studies are needed to evaluate whether the observed changes in leaf structure and ultrastructure affect the mite, and how the induction of the defense pathways affects the susceptibility of plants to BM infestations.
Believe it or not....Broad Mites = Duds
Interaction between cucumber plants and the broad mite, Polyphagotarsonemus latus: from damage to defense gene expression
Abstract
The broad mite (BM), Polyphagotarsonemus latus (Banks) (Acari: Tarsonemidae), is a minute polyphagous mite that has severe effects on the host plant. Mechanisms of BM injury and subsequent plant responses are unclear. In this study we characterized the morphological and molecular reactions of cucumber plants (Cucumis sativus L., Cucurbitaceae) to BM infestation. Infested plants showed growth inhibition and a decrease in leaf number and leaf area. There was also an increase in the firmness of the infested leaves, as measured by a texture analyzer. Broad mite feeds on the epidermis, but structural and ultrastructural studies revealed aberrations in the whole leaf tissue. Severe infestation led to a complete loss of epidermis and an increase in mesophyll cell size and number. In transmission electron microscope (TEM) images, the entire epidermal tissue appeared to have collapsed, and the mesophyll cell walls appeared thick and distorted. In the infested leaves, a Northern blot analysis revealed the induction of genes related to the jasmonic acid (JA)/ethylene and salicylic acid (SA) pathways, such as lipoxygenase (LOX) and β-1,3 glucanase (BGL2), and an induction of oxidative stress-responsive transcripts, such as peroxidase (PRX). Transcript levels of ACC oxidase (ACO) that participate in ethylene biosynthesis, remained relatively constant. This work reveals that BM feeding causes dramatic morphological, structural, and ultrastructural changes, along with an induction of genes involved in defense pathways. Further studies are needed to evaluate whether the observed changes in leaf structure and ultrastructure affect the mite, and how the induction of the defense pathways affects the susceptibility of plants to BM infestations.
Believe it or not....Broad Mites = Duds
no visible stunting. insane stretch. just zero nose and zero trichs.
i've identified and treated for broad mites before with no appreciable lasting effects to the plants outside of 3 weeks. shan's stock showed no evidence of mites but i treated as a prophylactic like i do with everything new that comes in my shop, especially after hearing about his reputation for passing off bunk cuts.
anyway i'm still not convinced it's all broad mites. still waiting for one of the LA homies to get back to me with his treatment for verticillium which he believes is the pathogen.
you know though, as much as i want to find out and eradicate the source of the duds—whatever it may be—that's not even the thing that gets me. we know the score when we get in this business. you grow plants for a living, you are beholden to the whims of mites and molds and insects.
if nature steps in and trashes my grow, i may get angry. i may even cry like a little bitch. but i'll get past it. i'm talking about a guy who's calling himself a professional out of one corner of his mouth while he's literally costing guys tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost grows, and yet it continues.
