nto sure whats wrong with my grils need help

[baddagger]

ok heres whats been happening I started to germ seeds in paper towels on 3/18/13 then I put the seeds in 1 gallon pots of fox farm soil. I been watering with 1ml of liquid karma and root growth enhancer to 1 gallon of water.

about 5-6 days ago I flushed the plants cause I was seeing the sides of the leaves starting to turn yellowish and getting spots in the middle of the leafs. and also getting dry spots.

so today I went to water the plants and notced that it was getting worse and the leafs are really drooping. so I transplanted them into bigger pots and watered with 3ml of liquid karma and the root enhancer. the room stays around a mid 70ies with the light on and the inline fan running. I have a fan in the room blowing back and forth on all the plants.


as for the ph ..today the ph I watered with was 6.5.. the watering I did 5 days ago for flushing was just tap water at around 7.0ph and before that It was around 6.3 cause everybody I was talking to was telling me it had to be around 6.2-6.3ish.

 

[festerous]

What is the PH of your runoff?

 

[medicalmj]

Whats the RH? and how moist is that soil? It looks kinda dry, but hard to tell? Is liquid karma a complete fert. w micro nutes? Perhaps a foliar spray. Will help w nute issues and humidity if either are a prob.

 

[shredGnar]

Have they been fed at all?

What's your watering schedule like? How much, how often??

They look hungry and perhaps overwatered to me..

 

[baddagger]

for run off I have not checked it. did not know to check my run off (first time growing). well each plant got a little over a gallon of water.

liquid karam is not a fert. http://www.botanicare.com/Liquid-Karma-01-01-05--P47.aspx

I am using the botanicare line. I have not started using any ferts yet cause the foxfarm soil. and the plants only been in the soil for 3 weeks now.

 

[baddagger]

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Have they been fed at all?

What's your watering schedule like? How much, how often??

They look hungry and perhaps overwatered to me..

well they are deffenly not over watered cause it was 5 days between watering and the soil was really dry. the last watering they plants were in 1 gallon pots about 3/4ths full and they got about a half gallon of water.

 

[festerous]

Unless you are in a very dry climate a half gallon of water in a one gallon container with plants that small is not the best approach. Chances are the roots are not receiving enough oxygen due to the amount of water in the container.

 

[baddagger]

the humidity in the room is about 30-34%

 

[Canniwhatsis]

OVERWATER!


Let the soil dry out for a couple days,.... I'm in an ARID climate,.... and if I start a clone in a half gallon that needs more than a quart of water a day I'll be surprised!


Your plant is tiny,... so too are its roots.... Personally I'd have that in a beer cup right now just so it drys the soil out between waterings! Roots need a certain amount of air to grow, and if your soil is soggy the roots will drown.

What do you think happens to the soil when you water it before the roots have grown into it?


Back off your watering, and don't just touch the topsoil and think you know how moist your soil is,... test it 1/2" down,.... You'll get a "Feel" for it eventually.

Also, a heavy pot has water in it,... a light one doesn't,.... so try lifting them before and after watering,.... if it's pretty heavy and before runoff there's no change in weight, well you probably didn't need to water,... if there's a lot more weight with just a little runoff, you've got it right...... if there's a lot of runoff and little weight change with just a little water, your too dry.

 

[baddagger]

OVERWATER!


Let the soil dry out for a couple days,.... I'm in an ARID climate,.... and if I start a clone in a half gallon that needs more than a quart of water a day I'll be surprised!


Your plant is tiny,... so too are its roots.... Personally I'd have that in a beer cup right now just so it drys the soil out between waterings! Roots need a certain amount of air to grow, and if your soil is soggy the roots will drown.

What do you think happens to the soil when you water it before the roots have grown into it?


Back off your watering, and don't just touch the topsoil and think you know how moist your soil is,... test it 1/2" down,.... You'll get a "Feel" for it eventually.

Also, a heavy pot has water in it,... a light one doesn't,.... so try lifting them before and after watering,.... if it's pretty heavy and before runoff there's no change in weight, well you probably didn't need to water,... if there's a lot more weight with just a little runoff, you've got it right...... if there's a lot of runoff and little weight change with just a little water, your too dry.

well I do check the soil and it was bone dry when I watered it today, last watering was 5 days ago. and I did check down a 1-2 inch. and I have been checking the weight and it was very light.

but if it was over watered would the bottom leafs be drying out? and be getting yellowing on the out side of the leaf tips?

 

[festerous]

You could always "carefully" dig one up and examine the roots. I'm willing to bet that they are not white and healthy.

 

[Crooked8]

I think the plants(due to their droop) are either under or over watered. As for the ff soil. People have complaints up and down about that stuff. I never had more problems when i ran soil than when using ff. so inconsistent. Anyway, id add a base nute also to eliminate the possibility of deficiencies and to make sure they have readily up takable food. Just add a small amount to supplement. Throw 2 mls a gallon of some house and garden soil a and b in there along with a little cal mag and make sure you arent under or over watering. I bet they perk right up. I think your pot is too large also. Just my opinion, wish you the best!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Unless you are in a very dry climate a half gallon of water in a one gallon container with plants that small is not the best approach. Chances are the roots are not receiving enough oxygen due to the amount of water in the container.

this. your plants are overwatered. just leave em alone and don't water again till the leaves stand back up.

 

[medicalmj]

Ok there seems to be some disagreement, but also some themes. Not that I know it all but lets point out what is in agreement:
1. Transplanting into very large pots in relation to small root mass is problematic because the root zone may dry out much faster than surrounding areas. If you water like normalk you will "drown" the roots. So to overcome this issue, be sure the whole pot is moist but not super saturated. Next, water more frequently (everyday to every other day) BUT only water w small amount(maybe 8-16 oz) and only directly above root mass, which is only 3-4" in diameter.

2. 30-40% RH is really low. Plants with any water stress will close stomata and perform "photorespiration", which is not good (ask me and I'll explain the process in detail). Simply misting plants a few times a day will help the plants fixate carbon 3, which is good.

That being said, and with the added info about dry soil, and low RH, it seems more likely than not, that the problem is low RH and unstable(was too dry) moisture levels in root zone.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

nah underwater doesn't look like that it looks like this.

see how all the leaflets are limp and weak, no turgor.

as for overwater, i have tons of experience, dunno if you can see this picture from my old gallery. overwatered grown in miracle gro and with high pH over 7.

let the plants dry out, you will see growth resume and the leaves will straighten out and perk up. after that water again and check the pH of the run off.


overwater the leaves are heavy and curl down hanging from the leaf stems.

underwater the leaves are limp and everything droops and hangs low including the leaf meristem.

 

[medicalmj]

nah underwater doesn't look like that it looks like this...

Nice pics to show effects. But I don't think it's that simple in this case. It's probably an "imbalance" with dry and wet in the wrong places due to the large pot size. And also, if the clones were root bound, that just adds to the problem if they weren't untangled first. Add to that the very low RH and this plant is "stuck".

I don't want to give this as advice w/o more info, but I'd be inclined to pull them out of the pots (if they had swirling roots and weren't pulled a little) and give them a bare root soak a rooting/transpalnt type solution and ensure the roots were good to go. Then replant in moist but not saturated medium. And then water as I explained.

If one is concerned about a bare root soak...

I recently got a clone in soil just a bit little smaller than the one here. I did the aforementioned then replanted in 5 l airpot w 100%. I should add that I also put the entire plant including the beer cup it came in totally submerged in neem oil before doing the bare root soak w transpo solution. And I cleaned to the bare roots, no soil at all was transferred into my coco. In one week it was totally rocking.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i dunno man, seems pretty simple. little plant in a big wet ball of soil with barely any roots to suck it all up. usually spells over watering. its also why he's seeing deficiencies. anyway that's my advices from my years of hard mode.

 

[shredGnar]

The others said it.. Overwater because of the large pot. I think they could use a bit of food as well.. The interveinal yellowing makes me think that.. But that's not as prudent as the overwatering..

I would Let them dry out nicely for a few days, then water her with a pint or so of a weak nutrient solution.. 250 ppm on the .5 scale should be good..

 

[baddagger]

well for all about the big pot, I just transplanted them yesterday to the bigger pots, the plants were in a 1 gallon pot that was 3/4 full for 3 weeks. when I pulled the plant out there were roots all around the out side of the soil.

I got to finish transplanting tonight 2 more plants.. cause I ran out of soil but I will take some pics of the roots and upload them.

Also on a side note I did check the girls real fast this morning before I went off to work and they looked a little better and a little less droopy . I will take some more pics of them also and see what u guys think.

 

[baddagger]

well here are the new pics the girls look a lot better and stronger.. still got the leafs on the bottom that look like crap and drying out but im guessing that was damage that was done a little while back and it is what it is now and just got to wait for them to die off or something.

oh and I checked the ppm of my house water and it is at 170

also I took a pic of the roots of 1 of the 2 plants I had to finish transplanting