NOT GOOD FOR WASHINGTON!!!
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Agaricus
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I just took a look at an interview with Kleiman from a few years ago. Actually, the guy comes off as pretty rational and thoughtful.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/interviews/kleiman.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/interviews/kleiman.html
PBS link above
right up until he says "they're not going to learn anything."
learning/study ability and pathway building may in fact actually be 'impaired' while stoned but; not totally shut down.
Seems a minor point but, it's the same kind of 'extreme' he dismisses early in the article
i agree that kleiman seems like a fairly reasonable assessor of cannabis but TBH; it actually bothers me that he doesn't prefer the term 'cannabis.' among other things~
right up until he says "they're not going to learn anything."
learning/study ability and pathway building may in fact actually be 'impaired' while stoned but; not totally shut down.
Seems a minor point but, it's the same kind of 'extreme' he dismisses early in the article
i agree that kleiman seems like a fairly reasonable assessor of cannabis but TBH; it actually bothers me that he doesn't prefer the term 'cannabis.' among other things~
Agaricus
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Yeah, there were several things in the interview that bothered me. But overall, he seems to be receptive to evidence-based science-based policies instead of the current shit. He's certainly not a drug warrior wannabe.
I don't mind so much about specifics as long as he has an open mind and a sense of balance.
As far as the impairment while stoned - I never could program for shit when I was baked. Although for some reason the semester I started smokin' lots of weed back in '69 was the first time I got on the Dean's list. The good one that is.
I don't mind so much about specifics as long as he has an open mind and a sense of balance.
As far as the impairment while stoned - I never could program for shit when I was baked. Although for some reason the semester I started smokin' lots of weed back in '69 was the first time I got on the Dean's list. The good one that is.
Nelson_Muntz
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During the last election cycle we in Washington state were bombarded with reasons to decriminalize marijuana, and my wife and I agreed with and voted for it. Don't get me wrong, we both stand behind our votes and we're both waiting for the day when we can look forward to getting a monstrous case of the munchies. But one of the new staples of Washington's news cycles is "Okay, we've decriminalized marijuana. Now what do we do?"
It's almost like a bad case of be careful what you wish for. Now we've got to decide issues that were never discussed or foreseen:
I also note one of the new places in Colorado Springs was robbed recently, so that state is starting to feel the effects, but at least CO dealt with DUI thing I think.
It's almost like a bad case of be careful what you wish for. Now we've got to decide issues that were never discussed or foreseen:
- How do we regulate the marijuana growers industry? If everybody can do it in their basements, it's very difficult to reliably tax such small growers. On the other hand, if we restrict growth to only those who can farm marijuana on a large scale, it becomes industrialized and small boutique growers would be crowded out especially once the large growers got a feel for their sudden political power in the state capital.
- How do we keep marijuana from being smuggled to the other states? I mean, are we (or the surrounding states) really going to set up taxpayer-funded dog-sniffing checkpoints at every road that crosses the border? I don't think so, but we'll see where this goes.
- How does the military keep marijuana from being brought onto its bases here? And then there's the not-so-small problem of convincing the soldiers, sailors, and Marines that yes, federal and military law does supersede state law. I can see it now: "Okay, troops, it is now against Army regulations to eat brownies in the state of Washington, because if somebody slips you a marijuana brownie, you'll wind up popping positive on your urinalysis test and you will be royally screwed if that happens." That last metaphorical phrase, by the way, is not as much of a joke as non-military people might think; military justice is no laughing matter.
- How do we desensitize our drug dogs to keep them from detecting marijuana when we're searching for illegal drugs?
- How do we license sellers? Particularly internet sellers?
I also note one of the new places in Colorado Springs was robbed recently, so that state is starting to feel the effects, but at least CO dealt with DUI thing I think.
I wrote a whole article on this guy, submitted it to IC Mag and it disappeared. Hopefully they'll look for it now that I messaged Payaso.
Kleiman sucks. Agaricus, his deal is this "third way" kinder, gentler prohibition. Aint nothing but. Russ Belville did a good piece on him featuring some interview quotes from a few years ago. He's a pro-establishment, status quo enforcer who has no substantive knowledge of cannabis or our community.
Kleiman sucks. Agaricus, his deal is this "third way" kinder, gentler prohibition. Aint nothing but. Russ Belville did a good piece on him featuring some interview quotes from a few years ago. He's a pro-establishment, status quo enforcer who has no substantive knowledge of cannabis or our community.
