Everybody a breeder ?

[mexcurandero420]

sigh, you just don't get it... Listen, go buy june bearing strawberry seeds, you can't why? because they are propagated asexually, just as drug cannabis is and should be. The reason is because drug cannabis is too complex to be growing as reliably as you's like it to be from seed. Outside of technologies that are yet to exist in the industry, all you whiners are pipe dreaming, you don't know wtf you are talking about., not in regards to cannabis, not in regard to the way the biz really works, you are just spewing doodoo, yes, it's offensive. Go out and have some kind of clue before you set out to save the world.

I agree with you that Cannabis is a pretty complex plant when we only alone talk about the cannabinoid and essential oil profile, so what is the % to find a Haze which is purple, has the Frankincense trait and is electrifyingly cerebral??

BTW strawberry seeds are available but asexual propagation is much easier.

 

[VenturaHwy]

I like growing from seed, every plant is different so I don't get bored growing the same plant over and over.... and I always have something new to smoke. But I am looking for a few keepers just not sure how long I would keep them around....

 

[Infinitesimal]

BTW strawberry seeds are available but asexual propagation is much easier.

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hey mex,

I think maybe you missed toms point and or confused reproduction with propagation... you see, yes strawberries reproduce sexually and produce seeds but... they are propagated for farming/gardening by asexual reproduction because, and I believe this is tom's point, those are the "keeper" plants found by popping who knows how many seeds (I'm not positive on exactly how many but willing to bet it's a lot)... if you were to plant those seeds in your pic you would most likely not find a plant worth eating and therefor not worth growing...

as you can see on burpee's website... only the mignonette strawberries are even offered as seeds, the rest are sold as live plants... likely do to the variation found in traits like flavor and fruit production when growing from seed...
http://www.burpee.com/fruit-plants/strawberry-plants/?cid=PPC

so it is not that asexual propagation is so much easier than sexual propagation (i.e. planting seeds), it is because when asexual propagation is used the results will be consistent from each plant... instead of only finding 1 out of 50 to 100 plants or more that produce tasty berries and does so at a certain level of productivity as is the case with sexual propagation (in certain plant species... like cannabis)

 

[idiit]

here's a potential customer's perspective on the subject:

i see some bud. i like its bag appeal. i smoke it. i like its smoke attributes. i research it with my own desires in mind re indoor, outdoor, flowering time,yield, tolerance build up, hardiness, hermies, recessive or dominant keepers (easy to find clone mother for example).

tier 1: now, does the seed stock i bought produce within common sense expectations the bud i liked enough to try out growing for myself? this of course assumes the customer has the requisite skills and grow area. if i'm looking for a clone mother and i'm willing to do the work i'm willing to search for special phenos. if i'm wanting to run seeds then i'm looking for dominant homogenous true breeding characteristics. in this example.

tier 2: would in this example be; do my homemade f1's resemble the store-bought f1's. this assumes proper mate selection by the customer. the point in this example is how easy is it in this strain for the customer to replicate seed stock homemade f1's that pretty much produces bud like the original stock from the breeder/chucker.

tier 3: can the breeder or pollen chucker keep producing f1's that produce bud like the original over time? did he/she keep the parents (p1's). ie can i buy true breeding blueberry seed stock like the original?

tier 4: how easy/hard is it for the customer to replicate the store-bought f1's in the customer's subsequent f2's, f'3's, fx's?

i don't care how he/she got it done ( pollen chucking one time lucky shot or fifteen years and 1,000,000 plants later. i (in this example) want the seeds to easily produce the desired bud attributes or i want an easy to find clone mother that does the job.

pollen chucking is easy and fun. breeding is hard work and can be unrewarding. both can produce excellent f1's. how this strain stands up over time is what counts.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

This is going on when in another thread they are talking about potency being something that perhaps some consumers aren't interested in, yet many breeders going for the high potency strains.

I can appreciate the fact that not everyone is going for potency, I am certainly not a consumer that wants to get launched into outer space everytime I smoke. I am searching for a less potent strain with a cannabanoid profile that doesn't make people a burnt out and paranoid, I am hoping to find that in the higher CBD strains that are popping up all over. I would also like to see someone working on a cross with Hemp, some hemp has a ridiculous amount of CBD in it.

Peace

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Interesting thread though I am learning alot about breeders here.

Peace

 

[idiit]

except for the RSC their seeds were all over the map, I wouldn't dare be chucking pollen hoping for anything.

^ exactly! the difference between unworked landraces and worked landraces. cbg, ace, tom hill et al deserve and get respect for the worked lines they've made available. i still appreciate real seed co. for making entire landrace genepools available. if leo would allow, growers/chuckers/breeders would be able to run the large field test runs necessary to isolate and work the special gene pools like what was possible in the '80's.

there are large growers still around but to my knowledge they are mostly producing a highly valuable bud product. to take those types of risks for seed lines to produce an easily knocked-off pimp pot version by others to be sold dirt cheap ('cause they didn't put any time into it) doesn't make economic sense in the current anti-canna leo environment.

the worked landraces limit the potential easily available gene clusters ( phenos) but they do make easily available non hermie true breeding seed stock to work as pure and/or hybrid strains. then some jerk rips off their line and the public buys the cheapest knocked off version.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

. i still appreciate real seed co. for making entire landrace genepools available.

My Sentiments exactly, When I got the RSC seeds my intention was to find some newer genes to incorperate into some already great stable Indicas. And I did get a nice, real dark real broad leafed bushy pheno that was worth the purchase, plus they threw in some Nanda Devi which I can't see growing any time soon those MF'ERS look huge Mammoth Sativa. I Digress...

My purchase from RSC was a good one because they sold me what I wanted which is what they were selling and I knew I was getting a mix of phenos from a certain region.

I have to admit I am certainly happy with what is available on the market today, I think there is a lot of great work out there. I am just sad I won't be able to try them all.

Peace

 

[VerdantGreen]

I think the term Expert when it comes to breeding Cannabis is thrown around way to casualy.

Peace

well if you aint gonna call TomHill an expert then who is?

when it comes to breeding, Tom has the moral high ground to make those statements in this thread.

i'm just a closet hack but i know enough to see that a whole lot of nonsense has been talked in here by most of the people who think they know who is and isnt a breeder.

VG

 

[Tom Hill]

I am pretty sure when I buy a stable strain from a reputable source, They are pretty much all the same for the exception of a few minor differences, I may be clueless, cpuld you please fill me in on what I am missing here Tom?

Peace

Well it seems you are missing the point that these traits these "stable strains" are exhibiting with some regularity are qualitative in nature and are relatively insignificant as far as drug cannabis goes. More, you are missing the point that these quantitative traits where you're seeing "a few minor differences" (and always will) is massively significant to drug type cannabis.

You keep typing these antiquated thoughts "stable strains, reputable source" blah blah it just has never existed except for inside the heads of less than knowledgeable cannabis neophytes. Look I am the first to wish it worked the way some of you think it does/should man, but it just doesn't.

 

[2 Legal Co]

Well it seems you are missing the point that these traits these "stable strains" are exhibiting with some regularity are qualitative in nature and are relatively insignificant as far as drug cannabis goes. More, you are missing the point that these quantitative traits where you're seeing "a few minor differences" (and always will) is massively significant to drug type cannabis.

You keep typing these antiquated thoughts "stable strains, reputable source" blah blah it just has never existed except for inside the heads of less than knowledgeable cannabis neophytes. Look I am the first to wish it worked the way some of you think it does/should man, but it just doesn't.

So Tom; Please be so kind as to elaborate on the 'seed market' scenario. I'd like to hear your thoughts on what one should be able to expect when purchasing seed.

I a bit dumbfounded over what I'm seeing here.

thx
2LC

 

[Tom Hill]

what is that ^^^^ some kind of acid test question? What is it you think I've been trying to do here, shall I start all over? :/

 

[harry74]

Hello:
What is the reason to delete my post?
It was offensive for someone ??? I don´t think so....
Anyway

 

[OLDproLg]

GREAT BAND,GREAT SURPRIZE in another ic thread!

GREAT BAND,GREAT SURPRIZE in another ic thread!

Aahhhhhh..SWEEEET! THE ALMIGHTY RUSH!!!!!

Is the success of WiFi, really due to some rap turd singing about it.Or because it's a great strain?

FUCK YAAAAAA!
My favorite band with the WORD!

Cool,to see while the ranting went on..
Lg!

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Well it seems you are missing the point that these traits these "stable strains" are exhibiting with some regularity are qualitative in nature and are relatively insignificant as far as drug cannabis goes. More, you are missing the point that these quantitative traits where you're seeing "a few minor differences" (and always will) is massively significant to drug type cannabis.

You keep typing these antiquated thoughts "stable strains, reputable source" blah blah it just has never existed except for inside the heads of less than knowledgeable cannabis neophytes. Look I am the first to wish it worked the way some of you think it does/should man, but it just doesn't.

I appreciate you filling in the blanks for me, I totally accept what you say as your educated experienced opinion and likely is the truth, it would seem I am perfectly happy being a less than knowledgeable cannabis neophytes. Not even sure what that is I will google it in a minute.

It is very evident that you have some spectacular genetics in your fold, I never clamied to understand breeding anymore than the internet has shown me, I totally get that there is a much higher level of understanding that goes along with breeding, I just think that perhaps at some point your pissing in the wind.

Going any faster than the speed of sound hasn't served any purpose, although achieveable easily it isn't really feasible, it is my opinion, that all this breeding Tech. for lack of a better term has inflated itself beyond it's useful limits. Blah Blah Blah...

I apologize for any lack of propriety.

Peace

 

[Applesauce]

From the early days I realized Tom Hill was the real deal. I don't have access to clones, don't deal with commercial cannabis or the breeding of it. I've never produced pollen besides unintentional hermies. This discussion has intrigued me. Mr. Tom Hill, you say 1 out of 40 seeds will be a standout. In your experience, what tiers exist to cannabis? If 1 out of 40 specimens is standout what is 1 in 100 and so fourth?

I have heard other breeders throw around things like that 1 in 2000 plant but it isn't thoroughly discussed; although I haven't exactly scoured the internet and books.

 

[OLDproLg]

Like the sound of THIS POST,what a good thought!!

Like the sound of THIS POST,what a good thought!!

I only have 4 word's for all here

STOP THE KUSH CRAZE

There are so many varieties of fine cannabis strains from all over the world and some TRUE breeders are working with some amazing genetics... But I find most of the wannabe "breeders" are Kush crazed...they don't know anything else...It's very sad...we are bottle-necking the worlds cannabis strains by crossing every fucking strain with some sort of KUSH...PLEASE PRESERVE DO NOT WATER DOWN OUR BELOVED PLANT

peace
Chefboy

RIGHT ON MAN,when i got out of the pen i couldnt believe my eye's????
What are their now some 1000 kush types jeeeeeez??

DOnt over cross,your best bet is to unlock the older parent gene pools!

 

[Sativa Dragon]

From the early days I realized Tom Hill was the real deal. I don't have access to clones, don't deal with commercial cannabis or the breeding of it. I've never produced pollen besides unintentional hermies. This discussion has intrigued me. Mr. Tom Hill, you say 1 out of 40 seeds will be a standout. In your experience, what tiers exist to cannabis? If 1 out of 40 specimens is standout what is 1 in 100 and so fourth?

I have heard other breeders throw around things like that 1 in 2000 plant but it isn't thoroughly discussed; although I haven't exactly scoured the internet and books.

I am curious as well, I am sure there is some literature that closely resembles your ideology as far as breeding is concerned, care to share?

Peace

 

[DIDM]

"Breeder" isn't some holy title you gain after a lifetime of apprenticeship

if you take pollen and put it on a female, you just did some breeding


holding on to the past for the sake of having something to hold on to is wasting time

I feel what others offer in seed is just potential breeding material, and I am grateful they offer their wares so that someday I might as well

 

[OLDproLg]

aaahm ahm excuse me???

aaahm ahm excuse me???

Maybe for flowers but who is doing this just to select a few good plants?

You think the plants grown in these grows you speak of are top quality or do you think they are beaster grade buds?

You also think these grows you speak of are popping 1000 plants from seed? Nobody paying production cost on a warehouse grow is going to run a commercial grow from seed, a few herms in the crowd and the whole harvest value just dropped.

YOU EVER SEEN MY GROWS<from seed!!!

Way stronger plants everytime..

Sorry for quoting,couldnt help it haha!!
Now i gotta go back to that page an read again!!!
good stuff,love oppinions!