Organic soil + root bound?

[t33to]

Heg ic,

Quick general question here. Im thinking about vegging some ladies for a full 8 weeks while their sisters flower away in the same timer period. My concern is that they will be too big and become root bound either before or after they are flipped to 12/12. So Im just curious whether or not organic soil plays a different role than regular soil in regards to root bounding. I know plants seem to fend of diseases better with organics so Im hoping they might get some perks on this matter too.

Thanks !

 

[dogfishheadie]

what pot size ya using my man?

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

I veg for 9 weeks from when my cuts are rooted and transplanted. I start in 1gal pot size and for 3 to 4 weeks and then finished them in 2 gals. Few days before flip they go to 7 gal I don't no root bound problems doing this.

I once veg my plants in there final blooming pot and noticed root bound problems. Unfortunately the organic soil haven't solved the root bound problem. Once its there u can get rid off it only with transplanting to bigger pot size.

 

[MrSterling]

Teeto, what size containers? Most of us use smartpots or some variant. The aeration along the sides allows for much better root development I've found. That plays the largest role.

 

[soursmoker]

hey dont wanna hijack but while we are talking about it...
how much generally do you guys water your smart pots?
for example, if you had a 2 gallon smart pot..would you give a half gallon of water, a gallon, gallon and a half? thanks guys... I am a first time smart pot user and kinda having trouble figuring it out.

I know about the lifting the pot to feel its weight technique, but idk it seems like it is always equally heavy maybe i am tripping lol.

thanks.

and to OP yes I believe you can still get rootbound in organic soil if you leave plant in pot for too long and dont have smart or air pots as has been stated...

so like everyone asked... what size pot do you plan on vegging them in?

 

[t33to]

I plan on using 15 gallon pots. 1 plant per 1000w light. Thanks for all the replies.

 

[soursmoker]

will you be vegging and flowering in the same pot or vegging in a smaller pot and transplanting into the 15 gal when its time to flip.

Is it a regular 15 gal pot or a smart pot?

 

[t33to]

will you be vegging and flowering in the same pot or vegging in a smaller pot and transplanting into the 15 gal when its time to flip.

Is it a regular 15 gal pot or a smart pot?

Regular pot. I have no experience with smart pots. I might be willing to try one though. I would be transplanting once during veg before the final transplant into the 15 gallon pot.

 

[soursmoker]

I would do like LAMBS-BREAD said then...

if you are growing from clone... put rooted clone in 1 or 2 gallon, transplant week 4 or so into a 5 or 7 gallon, then a week or so before the flip put em in the 15 gallons.

In reality you could prob grow em their whole life cycle in the 15 gals.

 

[ghostmade]

i would start in gallon pots then into the 15 give the plant time to strech there legs.i would also have the bottom third of the pot being and strong flowering soil mix(jamacain gauno),the middle third broad spectrum npk profile(seabird gauno) and a high n in the top third leave room for mulch/admendments

 

[VerdantGreen]

yeah i would up-pot a few times during veg, but as 15 gallons is quite big, if you are going from 5 or 7 gallons up to 15 for the last repot i would give them 2-3 weeks to veg into into it before you flip them.

VG

 

[t33to]

I'd also like to ask another sort of general question about "root bound" plants. What exactly does being root bound entail? Does that mean the plant physically has no more room to grow roots? In that case would I be seeing roots growing upwards to the surface of the soil as well?

Besides the plant not being able to grow any bigger, is there any other consequence? Does the plant physically suffer and do worse because of root bounding?

i would start in gallon pots then into the 15 give the plant time to strech there legs.i would also have the bottom third of the pot being and strong flowering soil mix(jamacain gauno),the middle third broad spectrum npk profile(seabird gauno) and a high n in the top third leave room for mulch/admendments

That's an interesting idea. Have you ever done a side by side test and seen that this is better than just mixing it all together?

yeah i would up-pot a few times during veg, but as 15 gallons is quite big, if you are going from 5 or 7 gallons up to 15 for the last repot i would give them 2-3 weeks to veg into into it before you flip them.

VG

Good advice. I suppose I'll intentionally tp them into their final big pots before I flip.

 

[t33to]

I veg for 9 weeks from when my cuts are rooted and transplanted. I start in 1gal pot size and for 3 to 4 weeks and then finished them in 2 gals. Few days before flip they go to 7 gal I don't no root bound problems doing this.

I once veg my plants in there final blooming pot and noticed root bound problems. Unfortunately the organic soil haven't solved the root bound problem. Once its there u can get rid off it only with transplanting to bigger pot size.

How much lighting do these plants receive. That's a great bit of information for me to consider.

 

[ghostmade]

i dnt kno VG,it takes about 3-4weeks to root bound a plant under hids in a gallon or 2(strain depending).so 15 gal will take a lil min to fill up 4-5weeks,to each there own though.i would do 2-3 plants to a 45gal smarty,2-3k(strain dependent) scrog 5 x 10 0r 6 x 12'

 

[dank.frank]

When my plants are healthy...I don't let them get root bound. I can go from a 9oz cup for 3wks under fluro to 3wks in a 1 gallon under 400w...by the third week under 400w they are showing signs they could benefit from transplant or being flipped to flower...although, not quite root bound.

If I was growing 1 plant per 1k - I'd start rooted clone to .5g container for 2 weeks. From there, I'd go with a wider more shallow 5 gallon container for 3 weeks - then put her in a 10 gallon for the last 4 weeks of veg. (9wk total, correct) Keeping in mind you don't really WANT your plant to become fully root bound.

From the 10 gallon - I'd move to a 25 gallon smart pot for flower - the entire time I'd have been training the plant - helping her grow as wide as necessary and getting as many internode sites for lateral growth as possible...

If you are in healthy soil and a dialed environment under HID lighting - it should be no problem filling the containers with roots in those time frames; give them space to get big and they will.

Just my opinion on it...



dank.Frank

 

[al-k-mist]

give them space to get big and they will.



dank.Frank

I second that!
Pretty much everyone hit the nail on the head. ( I hate nails, and screws, and screw gunz..) Not allowing the plant to become root bound is a key. But, almost. like, its at that point, and then you up-pot 'em, and they are all like "oh, thank you so much". Im sure, maybe, that big ass pots, especially wider pots, coupled with a mycorrhizae innoculant, will equal big roots, which will equal wide plants, more flowers from up top!

Training will also play a critical role here, if its one per light,( fuck yeah!!!)..as Dank Frank said..

From the 10 gallon - I'd move to a 25 gallon smart pot for flower - the entire time I'd have been training the plant - helping her grow as wide as necessary and getting as many internode sites for lateral growth as possible...

I was going to say 30 gallon. If the plant can grow wide in veg, youre on!
Good luck,
Joseph

 

[SpicySativa]

Hell yeah... Some day I'll do a big-ass single plant under my 600...

I've found that regardless of how many plants I put under my light, I'm using about the same amount of soil to fill the same amount of canopy space. I usually run 4 plants in 7-gal smart pots (28 gal total). This round I did 7 plants in 4ish gal (28 gal total).

So on that note... I'd give it AT LEAST 30 gallons.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

How much lighting do these plants receive. That's a great bit of information for me to consider.

I use a combo of 2 x 400Mh and 2 x t5 4 neons. I veg 30 plants under this set up and then I use 5 x 600's light in a star shape and adjust a wing avenger pro reflectors to flower.

Also I have increased perlite ratio in my soil mix, this help to bring more air to the roots. I can see air bubbles coming off the soil when I water. Think this will help a bit with root bound.