Wa legislature working hard to lump patients and recreational users together

[Tokin]

PATIENTS BEWARE! I502 means sick people harm!
Call your lawmakers and tell them patients and recreational users must be kept separate!!!
I502 means to strip patients of their right to grow their own!
I seriously hope the feds stop i502 so we can do this again, but the right way this time.

 

[trichrider]

a little more forthcoming...

is this just an opinion?

 

[yortbogey]

paranoia = selfdestroya...
I502 changes nothing about medical in WA ..............................


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Initiative_502_(2011)

 

[Holdin']

Re: Wa legislature working hard to lump patients and recreational users together

I've heard nothing from an official source of this. Its been declared by the state numerous times that there is nothing in I-502 that affects med patients in any way. And from my understanding it would take a separate initiative to change our WA state MMJ laws. But, I am no political or legal expert so if anyone can correct me, feel free.

The I-502 initiative does have its real pros and cons.... but immediately affecting MMJ is not currently on the agenda as far as I know.

 

[yortbogey]

Initiative 502 doesn’t change Washington’s medical marijuana law, but patients receive new
arrest protection and regulated access to quality-controlled, locally-grown marijuana.
I-502 does not change the Washington State Medical Use of Cannabis Act.
• Washington’s Medical Use of Cannabis Act, codified at Chapter 69.51A of the Revised Code of
Washington,1
provides qualifying patients with terminal or debilitating medical conditions an “affirmative
defense” to marijuana charges brought in state and local courts.2
• I-502 amends Washington’s Uniform Controlled Substances Act, codified at Chapter 69.50 of the Revised
Code of Washington,3
and makes no changes to the Medical Use of Cannabis Act. Patients will continue to
be allowed to grow their own marijuana plants and possess a 60-day supply of medical marijuana.4
I-502 offers medical marijuana patients protection from arrest.
• Because Washington’s medical marijuana law only provides an affirmative defense that can be raised at
trial, patients can still be arrested, searched, and prosecuted – and have their medical marijuana seized –
even if they are in complete compliance with the law.5
• I-502 decriminalizes adult possession of 1 oz. of useable marijuana, 16 oz. of marijuana-infused products
in solid form (cookies, e.g.), and 72 oz. of marijuana-infused products in liquid form (teas, lotions).
6
Adults
21 and over would no longer be subject to arrest or prosecution for possession of these amounts of
marijuana, regardless of whether they were using them for non-medical or medical purposes.
I-502 provides safe access to quality-controlled, locally-grown marijuana.
• Washington’s medical marijuana law does not provide patients safe access points for quality-controlled
marijuana. The law provides only that patients can grow for themselves, designated others to grow for
them, or join a collective garden consisting of no more than 10 patients. In each of these scenarios,
patients remain vulnerable to arrest, search, and burglary.
• Many patients are too sick to grow for themselves, or live in rentals or small spaces where growing at
home is not an option, and they do not have friends or family members willing and able to grow for them.
In these cases, patients, friends, and family members sometimes turn to the black market where they are
left to buy marijuana of unknown quality, which may have come from out of state or another country.
• I-502 establishes a system for licensing and regulating Washington businesses to grow, process, and
distribute marijuana that has met state quality and safety standards. Under I-502, only marijuana grown
in Washington can be sold in Washington, and only through designated, marijuana-only stores.



http://www.newapproachwa.org/sites/...Backgrounder - Medical Marijuana - 073012.pdf

http://www.newapproachwa.org/content/faq

 

[xmobotx]

hey Tokin! are you the guy who flipped out @ the spokane 502 forum? whether or not; you might serve yourself better to sit back and take a few breaths or something~

 

[Tokin]

Bullshit. 502 is extremely dangerous to 69.52a. http://theolympiareport.com/lawmakers-try-to-reconcile-i-502-medical-marijuana-laws/

http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/senator-kohl-wells-prepares-medical-cannabis-legislation/

Say what you.want, fact is 502 is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Mark my words.

 

[Tokin]

Oh and.one more thing. FUCK NEW APPROACH AND ALLISON HOLCOMB.

 

[Tokin]

hey Tokin! are you the guy who flipped out @ the spokane 502 forum? whether or not; you might serve yourself better to sit back and take a few breaths or something~

I wouldnt be caught attending that garbage. I stay in my county and educate the patients. Pend Oreille as a county voted NO on 502. Seriously the state of Wa needs to split and the west side can takd 502 with it. This side will vote in real legislation, not a bogus lie.

 

[Tokin]

http://slog.thestranger.com/blogs/s...poses-political-dilemma-for-state-republicans
Another fine example of how 502 is causing patients problems. Even though this was shot down this wont be the last attack on patients and 69.51. Next they will.go after our right to grow our own. Miss Holcomb has already made her feelings known about the small medical grower
Anyone that trusts a gov lobby is a fool. New approach is a joke.

 

[xmobotx]

what a cluster fuck

what i dont get is how any of these dispensaries are making any money? MMJ has no provision for any dispensary anywhere unless they were totally volunteer and transfers of marijuana were made @ cost of production

so where is there an opportunity to tax the non-existent revenue?

if there is any justice; one day there will come a time when anyone could grow a plant in their yard, process it, and smoke it/eat it/shoot it up/???? and no one will say a damn thing about it

when that happens we will look back on these dark times for what they are

and; confused people shouting @ strawmen are apparently a sign of the times

 

[boho]

what i dont get is how any of these dispensaries are making any money? MMJ has no provision for any dispensary anywhere unless they were totally volunteer and transfers of marijuana were made @ cost of production

Sorta correct. The couple I know this is how it works. You get paid as a grower to donate product upfront (if they take you and it's not co-op). From my understanding wholesale donation (this is the loophole) is fairly low. Then they request donations at twice that price they bring it in at. In our market it runs $100/oz and they sell $90-80 for half oz. This is on the idea there is a way make back costs for production written into the law (which there kinda is).

In Oregon the District Attorney's has told people that setup dispensaries they are on grey law ground and will not defend anyone busted doing it. Even still they moved forward without the DA's blessing.

At the end of the day it will be really hard to prosecute them. Most are co-op, all legal patients, all legal grows. A judge will have to haul the whole system in, then somehow find a way to make it more than just a law that needs being enforced. It would be such a media field day that it's being avoided at all costs. For once the media is opening on our side when the law is not.

 

[xmobotx]

not 'sorta correct' there is no provision in the law for anyone to profit from MMJ as far as i know in ANY state w/ a MMJ provision

now granted big pharma and the healthcare industry DO profit from 'medicine' and much of those revenues are taxed

by the letter, the actual MMJ provisions should be able to function concurrent w/ 502 i.e. w/ a scrip the patient can grow, set up a caregiver, and possess

502 merely gives the patient another venue by which to buy their meds <of course, buying from a valid retailer they will be paying tax but they do have options

dispensaries just arent provided for in the verbage of the medical bill and confuse the issue when we consider MMJ <the dispensaries have always been illegal

 

[VenturaHwy]

Bullshit. 502 is extremely dangerous to 69.52a. http://theolympiareport.com/lawmakers-try-to-reconcile-i-502-medical-marijuana-laws/

http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/senator-kohl-wells-prepares-medical-cannabis-legislation/

Say what you.want, fact is 502 is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Mark my words.

I read through the news story, big govt does like to keep getting bigger -

“I’m very concerned we are going to create a gray market for medical marijuana which is not taxed,” said Sen. Karen Keiser (D-Kent). “As a medical project it’s not subject to the same sales taxes. It creates a disincentive for medical marijuana patients to participate in the 502 system.”

 

[xmobotx]

i m no fan of the gov taxing everything to death and using the revenues for things i dont agree w/

just saying all this kinda smells like a red herring

BTW the dialog kinda sounds like; "well there is not a provision for MMJ dispensaries but IF there is going to be legal "pot stores" it would be that much more disingenuous to nix dispensaries so; IF there is going to be dispensaries they should pay the same tax as the 'pot store'"

OIW; "OK have your dispensaries~ just pay the tax {like everyone else"}

 

[Tokin]

No mot a red herring. Its a wake up call. Patients and anyone that cares for a patient need to be watching closely what the lawmakers are trying to do. Colotado passed their rec cannabis law without any bogus duic or no grow sections.
I grow my own. I have no income or insurance. My meds come from the forest and from my garden and the last thing true patients need now is to be told they cant grow and going to be taxed on their meds which is bullshit.
When i say Wa. Norml and new approach sold out patients i mean it and the colorado vote proved it.

 

[xmobotx]

well; i do agree that the current state of the rec provision leaves a lot to be desired compared to any kind of true freedom

nonetheless; it is a foot in the door for recreational and a step closer to that kind of freedom

idk how concerned lawmakers may be that private gardens will affect their precious tax revenue but the provision for private recreational gardens in CO's paperwork is something of an affront to your theory ~not support for it

to me it seems like the key message from the people needs to be something more like 'we want freedom w/ regard to cannabis' than a dis-organized group licking @ individual 'wounds'

 

[Tokin]

No.its not a " foot in the door" , its a foot in the balls. People are staring down a very narrow hallway. Your so called foot in the door came because of the sick people you now thow under the bus.
A fuck me gets a fuck you everytime in my book. Go Feds!

 

[Tokin]

Theres an old saying that fits here, goes like this:

Dance with the one that brought you...

 

[xmobotx]

i guess we shall just have to see what happens

you are right in that the medical crusaders are that original foot in the door but; it seems strange to lump a recreational advocate in w/ the gov & your 'perceived' discrimination

i am all for patients continuing to have access to and being able to grow for their medical purposes. And; i believe in the medical properties of cannabis! FTMP however i see cannabis as an herbal 'prevention is the cure' approach OIW all use IS medical {even recreational} though eating it is probably the healthiest mode of consumption <which can require some fairly large amounts

to me; you raving "they're tryin to tax our meds" is a petty and minor thing
unless, of course, patients somehow lose their privilege to grow their own meds <the REAL issue.

personally i think anyone/everyone should be able to grow their own w/o concern or discrimination

i also still think you are that guy who freaked out at the 502 forum {because like that guy you dont hear what people are saying you just keep screaming 'they'll never tax our meds!"}