Ever used, or heard of, kombucha for Powdery Mildew?

[BugJar]

Interesting usage!

I can see diluted vinegar and/or lactic acid working by themselves working too

We ferment A LOT of stuff here so this is good info, friend.

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

Crooked- What's up man? No offense, but you seem a little new here. No problems at all w/ that, we would like to encourage newer members to take a look over here at the organic soil forum.

That being said, mentioning Eagle 20 over here is a big no-no...taboo even. We, as organic growers, can deal w/ any problem w/out the use of harmful chemicals. Just because you tried a single organic method to combat PM and it failed, does not mean their are not other organic options that will work. I've been battling it all winter long...and I'm winning.

The store bought super-duper organic tea that can only be reproduced in a million dollar lab that you mentioned is simply 5th avenue marketing hype.

If I were you I wouldn't believe me. I would spend some time reading some of the great threads here and be willing to learn a little...that's all we really ask around here.

Good Luck
RD

 

[Crooked8]

Crooked- What's up man? No offense, but you seem a little new here. No problems at all w/ that, we would like to encourage newer members to take a look over here at the organic soil forum.

That being said, mentioning Eagle 20 over here is a big no-no...taboo even. We, as organic growers, can deal w/ any problem w/out the use of harmful chemicals. Just because you tried a single organic method to combat PM and it failed, does not mean their are not other organic options that will work. I've been battling it all winter long...and I'm winning.

The store bought super-duper organic tea that can only be reproduced in a million dollar lab that you mentioned is simply 5th avenue marketing hype.

If I were you I wouldn't believe me. I would spend some time reading some of the great threads here and be willing to learn a little...that's all we really ask around here.

Good Luck
RD

All i did was mention it. Wtf. Ive used way more than one organic method for many things i used to only grow soil. Whatever, all of you have your organic panties in a bundle when i never even told anyone to use the aformentioned product of satan, i simply stated my own experience. I know when im not welcome, ill be sure not to trespass on here again. Im no novice, been growing over 10 years. If u look at any of my photos you can see what hard work looks like. Peace organic forum, yall are way too sensitive.

 

[Crooked8]

keep "battling" as you have been, ill continue to not worry about it.

 

[Neo 420]

All i did was mention it. Wtf. Ive used way more than one organic method for many things i used to only grow soil. Whatever, all of you have your organic panties in a bundle when i never even told anyone to use the aformentioned product of satan, i simply stated my own experience. I know when im not welcome, ill be sure not to trespass on here again. Im no novice, been growing over 10 years. If u look at any of my photos you can see what hard work looks like. Peace organic forum, yall are way too sensitive.

You are welcome here. Please don not confuse mine (ours?) disdain of eagle 20 with you. We all here know what eagle 20 does. Lets keep our discussion on current organic processes and procedures and this will just a bump on the road.

 

[Crooked8]

You are welcome here. Please don not confuse mine (ours?) disdain of eagle 20 with you. We all here know what eagle 20 does. Lets keep our discussion on current organic processes and procedures and this will just a bump on the road.

Sounds good to me. I just felt there was an over reaction but i get it. Onto organic wonders, ive tried many way to battle pm organically, different oils, milk and other high ph solutions. I have an atomizer for this reason. The best results came from neem solutions. I was steered away by the fact that it was onky temporary relief and it supposedly "clogs pores". I thought that seemed dumb but yield has increased since i quit the neem spray

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

You are most certainly welcome here Crooked! I never said you were a novice grower...simply a newer member to the organic soil forum and that we would like to encourage that.

When it comes to organics- you're either on the bus or you're off the bus.

There is no 'almost' organic. Make sense?

The first thing an organic grower should do in the case of PM is to make sure the growing environment is proper. Talking temps and humidity, airflow etc. I need to take my own advice here and grab a dehumidifier for next winter...summer here is very dry. Ecosmart, Holy Basil, Fenugreek sprout tea/neem combo, stinging nettles, garlic/ginger/apple cider vinegar, peppermint, lavender, Protekt, aloe, coconut water...the list goes on and on my friend.

PM does not live inside the plant. PM spores are everywhere. When conditions are right it will take hold.

Peace
RD

 

[Neo 420]

The best results came from neem solutions. I was steered away by the fact that it was onky temporary relief and it supposedly "clogs pores". I thought that seemed dumb but yield has increased since i quit the neem spray

What was your neem dilution rate? And with what? Neem is my best friend. (Well actually its aloe vera)

I'm curious if [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]kombucha [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]is effective since its a bowl of microbes..
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[Crooked8]

You are most certainly welcome here Crooked! I never said you were a novice grower...simply a newer member to the organic soil forum and that we would like to encourage that.

When it comes to organics- you're either on the bus or you're off the bus.

There is no 'almost' organic. Make sense?

The first thing an organic grower should do in the case of PM is to make sure the growing environment is proper. Talking temps and humidity, airflow etc. I need to take my own advice here and grab a dehumidifier for next winter...summer here is very dry. Ecosmart, Holy Basil, Fenugreek sprout tea/neem combo, stinging nettles, garlic/ginger/apple cider vinegar, peppermint, lavender, Protekt, aloe, coconut water...the list goes on and on my friend.

PM does not live inside the plant. PM spores are everywhere. When conditions are right it will take hold.

Peace
RD

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=210541
Lots of info there that leads me to believe it is a systemic issue. Which is why when i used to spray my neem solution it would return. It also explains why after treating with a systemic fungicide it doesnt return until the fungicide is gone. Treating the exterior of a plant with pm doesnt stop it. Its still in the plant and it still reduces yield. Once you see it on the leaves that means its really taken hold. Some of this is based on that link and some of this is based on my opinions.

 

[Crooked8]

Its hard to tell if its really epiphytic or endophytic. Its debated quite a bit. I wanna know for sure dammit!

 

[Crooked8]

What was your neem dilution rate? And with what? Neem is my best friend. (Well actually its aloe vera)

I'm curious if [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]kombucha [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]is effective since its a bowl of microbes..
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Neem used to be my favorite thing ever! Its great for deterring pests and preventing all other issues practically. I used to run an oz(30ml) per gallon with an oz of protekt. That worked well but when i added sm-90 from nutrilife to the foliar it kicked it up a notch. But i could always see pm return. I mean, it grows on plants outside. The spores are small. My fans are filtered i have a clean environment and i keep humidity down with crazy air circulation and exchange. It can always return. I started using "taboo product" to prevent it from the time of veg and i just really never see it anymore. I also heard from an experienced grower(pulls almost 3 per light sometimes wtf) that neem and most oils in general will clog plants pores, limiting them, and also reducing yield. This pulled me away from my normal organic treatments because i want to see full genetic potential. I used to thank the world for neem. Still do but i use it way less. I even like the smell.

 

[SpicySativa]

Its hard to tell if its really epiphytic or endophytic. Its debated quite a bit. I wanna know for sure dammit!

Some varieties of powdery mildew are epiphytic (do not grow within plant tissue), and some are endophytic (hyphae penetrate into leaf tissue). It isn't as if the fungus is "flowing through the veins" of the host plant...

This is a good read.

http://www.apsnet.org/edcenter/intropp/LabExercises/Pages/PowderyMildew.aspx

 

[Durdy]

that neem and most oils in general will clog plants pores, .

I've heard this, from an insanely unreliable source. But on some level I can see the reasoning behind it.

My question though, is how long it really stays on the leaves? I know it's best to do it at lights off to A) avoid burning leaves and B) allow all the compounds in the oil to stay viable as long as possible.

Once under HID lighting the compounds break down fairly quickly, my thinking is the oil if it clogs the stoma at all wouldn't do it for long. But I'm just speculating.

You said your yields increased when you cut back on the neem, did any other variable change? It's always hard determining the cause of certain changes.

 

[Crooked8]

I've heard this, from an insanely unreliable source. But on some level I can see the reasoning behind it.

My question though, is how long it really stays on the leaves? I know it's best to do it at lights off to A) avoid burning leaves and B) allow all the compounds in the oil to stay viable as long as possible.

Once under HID lighting the compounds break down fairly quickly, my thinking is the oil if it clogs the stoma at all wouldn't do it for long. But I'm just speculating.

You said your yields increased when you cut back on the neem, did any other variable change? It's always hard determining the cause of certain changes.

Of course no run is exactly the same i suppose other variables could have had an effect. It was same strain same medium same nutes same environment and brand new bulbs both times so diminishing return wasnt a factor. I could have had my lights at a more optimal distance or a denser canopy footprint its hard to know.

 

[Crooked8]

I've heard this, from an insanely unreliable source. But on some level I can see the reasoning behind it.

My question though, is how long it really stays on the leaves? I know it's best to do it at lights off to A) avoid burning leaves and B) allow all the compounds in the oil to stay viable as long as possible.

Once under HID lighting the compounds break down fairly quickly, my thinking is the oil if it clogs the stoma at all wouldn't do it for long. But I'm just speculating.

You said your yields increased when you cut back on the neem, did any other variable change? It's always hard determining the cause of certain changes.

The idea seemed fishy to me too. Im not sure its true but so far I've done better without oils. I actually used some neem today. I wanna see if the growth rate on my dwc slows down. I need my damn og to stop stretching! Anyone know of a safe effective organic pgr? And NO i would never use a harmful pgr,

 

[Durdy]

I bet we could get a definitive answer about the oils question if we had a microscope!

Someday someday

I feel I have heard Clackamascootz talk about cytokinins helping to reduce node spacing, but I could be recalling that information incorrectly.

Either way, fun website about them! (and other plant hormones)

Plant Hormones