Doomsday Prepping for Economic Catastrophy

[Hydrosun]

No, that's totally wrong...we have a huge pollution problem, a coming oil shortage and shortages of fresh water. Even if we could provide the food the problems will still continue to get worse.

It has been estimated that the optimal population of humans on the Earth to be about one billion or less. Have your read the thread?

Others don't think population is the biggest problem but I do. Too many rats in a box.

reading through it yes. So what if there is no oil? Water can be desalinated.

Saying "Can't" just lets them remain stronger.

What gives anyone the right to regulate the size of anyone eles's family?

The economy is a giant ponzi scheme as you and many have pointed out.

Couldn't one of man's objectives to get off this rock and live on other planets? If so we need as many Einsteins and Newtons as possible.

Funny how those that fly around in private planes worry about how many kids the African's are having....

 

[unspoken]

reading through it yes. So what if there is no oil? Water can be desalinated.

Saying "Can't" just lets them remain stronger.

What gives anyone the right to regulate the size of anyone eles's family?

The economy is a giant ponzi scheme as you and many have pointed out.

Couldn't one of man's objectives to get off this rock and live on other planets? If so we need as many Einsteins and Newtons as possible.

Funny how those that fly around in private planes worry about how many kids the African's are having....

It takes oil to desalinate water, and then more to ship it to places that need it.

I'm wondering if the Cyprus situation is an issue of "too small to bail"

 

[Hydrosun]

It takes oil to desalinate water, and then more to ship it to places that need it.

I'm wondering if the Cyprus situation is an issue of "too small to bail"

Pretty sure evaporation with sunlight and recapture can be acheived for desal and we can turn sugar in to fuel (just look at Brasil).

There are no limits to human potential, consequently there can be no limits to the human population. The universe is infinite; some argue that the radiation from the sun is more than enough energy to power 10,000x the current human consumption......

Pretty sure we can handle a few more babies.

The Cyprus situation seems to be too small to worry about, causeing the crack in the dike.

Anyone comfortable with the concept of a bank holiday and haircuts to savings and checking accounts? If I had any money in any bank I would draw it now.

The real fun will come when they start haircutting ROTHs and 401K's

 

[bentom187]

please excuse the last part of the video title if anyone takes offence.

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[OrganicBuds]

please excuse the last part of the video title if anyone takes offence.

Insured Bank Deposits At Risk, America Burns While Obama Golfs
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Why in the world would somebody be offended by facts? Love the avatar.

 

[SpasticGramps]

I'm wondering if the Cyprus situation is an issue of "too small to bail"

As small as Cyprus is it still represents systemic risk if it's banks and government defaults thus it must be bailed out to keep the ponzi from collapsing.

The reason it's so unsavory is because Cyprus is a safe-haven for Russian oligarch's money (ie everyone in Europe knows that Cyprus is where the Russian mob launders it's money). Thus when the IMF (that's you and me) and Germany, Swizterland, and the Netherlands (the EU) bails out Cyprus they are de facto bailing out the Russian mob and their banks.

This is highly unpopular in the aforementioned countries which is why the bank holiday and deposit levy was imposed. However, this is the logical next step in the bailout bonanza collapse of the status quo. When push comes to shove your bank accounts do not belong to you.

This has been done in the USA already too. See FDR.

And as the Boston Consulting Group believes will come to pass again.

 

[trichrider]

hands up!

 

[Harry Gypsna]

hands up!

At least a mugger has the decency to cover his face and threaten you with a knife.
To be fair, a lot of people seem to be operating under the mistaken impression that a bank account is the same as a safe deposit box. It isn't, when you put money in your account, you are lending it to the bank to invest/lend to others at interest, and in return, they pay you interest. If the bank goes tits up, it is only fair that depositors, who have profited via interest earned, should take some of the risk.

Having said that, they should be taking it from the people with millions made from financial chicanery, not grabbing a chunk of grannies life savings or ordinary Joe's rainy day fund. They should differentiate between people who make money from their labour, and people who make it from inherited wealth and exploiting the labour of others, the difference between people who actually create wealth by doing the work, and those who say they create wealth, but merely move it around and extract it.
Also, the thing about Russian mafia money is true to an extent,. but not as much as the German intelligence service(who the info came from) would have you believe. It isn't the russian mafia and oligarchs who will be paying, it is the common working man. The Russians only account for less than 30% of accounts.



Basically, this is Merkel acting tough because she has an election coming up, and the IMF and ECB seeing what happens here, before they consider rolling it out elsewhere in the Eurozone.
Another thing is, savers in the UK have lost a lot more of their money, or at least its value over the last few years due to Quantitive easing. At least this blatant theft in cyprus is honest.

 

[unspoken]

As small as Cyprus is it still represents systemic risk if it's banks and government defaults thus it must be bailed out to keep the ponzi from collapsing.

The reason it's so unsavory is because Cyprus is a safe-haven for Russian oligarch's money (ie everyone in Europe knows that Cyprus is where the Russian mob launders it's money). Thus when the IMF (that's you and me) and Germany, Swizterland, and the Netherlands (the EU) bails out Cyprus they are de facto bailing out the Russian mob and their banks.

This is highly unpopular in the aforementioned countries which is why the bank holiday and deposit levy was imposed. However, this is the logical next step in the bailout bonanza collapse of the status quo. When push comes to shove your bank accounts do not belong to you.

This has been done in the USA already too. See FDR.

And as the Boston Consulting Group believes will come to pass again.

Yes, that's a big reason for the "tax." Basically, making them bail themselves out.

As far as solar desalination goes, if it is effective, why don't more countries use it? It won't keep up with demand and then you have to transport what you can desal to places that need it. The problem is that desal is expensive, and the people that need it most simply can not afford it. No problem for dubai or saudi arabia, big problem for a lot of africa/china etc. Also, what do we do with the toxic mess leftover from the desal process? Sure, you can argue that scientists will eventually find a way to get us off of oil, provide fresh water, and sustainably produce enough food, but how close are we and how much time do we have before those become critical problems?

 

[BushyOldGrower]

As you can see even a small island like Cyprus can start a breakdown. The govts of the world are terrified it will happen on their watch and just try to postpone the crisis.

As I said even if we could feed more people the planet is way over populated and most are poor and vulnerable to a drought for example. The coming economic turmoil is just the most likely and immediate problem.

Until we all realize that it will be better for our children in the long run if we control our numbers. Want ten kids? Big family man? Go right ahead then. Maybe we can desalinize water with sunlight.

That won't solve the problem. Realize the problem first. We aren't being told by govts to have fewer kids. Over population isn't a conspiracy. In the 60's we saw movies in school about the inevitable population explosion and I saw the simple truth then.

Quality, not quantity is what makes human life worthwhile. Try a Carnival tour with the toilets not working and the power out and you will get the idea of the mess the whole planet could be in unless people realize the simple truth. We are too many.

 

[lost in a sea]

As you can see even a small island like Cyprus can start a breakdown. The govts of the world are terrified it will happen on their watch and just try to postpone the crisis.

yeah because it is in the eu..

the e.u made sure this manufactured situation would hit all of europe eventually..

also they have alot of expats there that have spare cash and they dont want it to get by without the dreaded austerity..

this toxic banking system has nothing to do with population, and neither does the interdependant food market..

i didnt know about russian oligarchs there tbh but it doesnt surprise me.. london protects lots of russian criminals as well..

 

[bombadil.360]

Gramps, that also happened in Venezuela in the early 90s if I remember correctly.

one day most of the banks did not open as they were supposed to, and bam! all money was taken from the accounts and all the banks' big dogs were somewhere in Miami, U.S.A. no wonder people were so pissed they ended up electing Chavez fresh out of prison.

 

[Hydrosun]

As you can see even a small island like Cyprus can start a breakdown. The govts of the world are terrified it will happen on their watch and just try to postpone the crisis.

As I said even if we could feed more people the planet is way over populated and most are poor and vulnerable to a drought for example. The coming economic turmoil is just the most likely and immediate problem.

Until we all realize that it will be better for our children in the long run if we control our numbers. Want ten kids? Big family man? Go right ahead then. Maybe we can desalinize water with sunlight.

That won't solve the problem. Realize the problem first. We aren't being told by govts to have fewer kids. Over population isn't a conspiracy. In the 60's we saw movies in school about the inevitable population explosion and I saw the simple truth then.

Quality, not quantity is what makes human life worthwhile. Try a Carnival tour with the toilets not working and the power out and you will get the idea of the mess the whole planet could be in unless people realize the simple truth. We are too many.

If the human population is really too high, why is life expectancy increasing across ALL demographics?

Pretty sure governments are the ones instituting single child policies as well as posioning the food supply and reducing fertility among adults.

Humans have the ability to produce more than they consume; that is the simple truth.

We are too many? Who among us should be put down or sterilized? That is the logical conclusion of what you belive to be the simple truth.

 

[TheArchitect]

"overpopulation"


What a perfect tool the eugenecists devised to con the people into maintaining a population of controllable size, where government gets to pick who lives and dies.


Is it fair to say we are overpopulated based on the current system, no, but the growth certainly isn't sustainable if we continue down the petroleum path. The longer we wait to decide to make the changes necessary to allow the population to continue to grow and maintain a high standard of living the harder it will be later, and more will die.

Nature has plenty of ways of culling us naturally, I don't think she needs help from the collective mob in deciding winners and losers.

 

[lost in a sea]

here in the uk we are having a baby boom at the moment which is great because we also have 1/3 rd of the population over 50 years old and 1/4 over 60 so basically we are majorly fucked..

this country is so so so fucked up.. my generation will have to do everything and rebuild the "country" and it isnt going to happen because most of them are brainwashed.. the utterly ridiculous lunatic asylum we call a "gubmint" just borrows more and more every year from the rothschilde cabal and the people are too apathetic or blind, just digging my grave,, all our graves..

it was unsustainable before, now it is a jail cell, the bars are just out of reach but they have basically been assembled on all sides.. a giant crown penitentiary..

a simple fact is that when any animal population collectively senses doom they reproduce..

 

[mrcreosote]

Screw Cyprus,
Stealing 5.8 bil from grannys and the Russian Mafia is a weekend of hookers and blow for these clowns.
Take a look at whats waiting for the US and it's tens of TRILLIONS derivatives market.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013...o-permit-bailouts-deregulate-derivatives.html

Yup. JPM, GS et al. go to the front of the trough and your money gets swept away from your account to theirs. Good luck with the miniscule FDIC $.0001 per dollar funded 'insurance'.

When this blows up you'll beg to be as screwed as Cyprus and only lose 10%.
This is a flat out declaration of war on the guy who holds money in any bank.

Be smart. Don't play.


And if you are still wondering why the Troika seem to have gone full retard and shot themselves in the face over a lousy 10 billion for Cyprus, get a load of this:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/03/gaming-the-cyprus-negotiations.html

THESE ARE NOT SMART PEOPLE.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Well, Cyprus has told the Troika go go fuck themselves.

Meanwhile in the UK parliament, we have a disgusting piece of retroactive legislation going through, to rob people of what a court has ordered they should be paid, with support of all 3 parties. Well, labour have abstained, but that's as good as voting for it.
No mention of this legislation on the BBC, and there hasn't been since it was 1st mentioned on Friday, time to change the name to GBC methinks.
3 Tory parties to choose from, aint democracy grand.

 

[OrganicBuds]

The very tip of the shit is hitting the fan right now. First Cyprus, then sweeping over the rest of the world. That's not your money in your wallet, that is the Federal Reserve's, it is posted on every bill made in America, you can barrow it, but when the Federal Reserve needs it back, they will take it. Just like in Cyprus.


To all the people that think prepping is crazy: Last week people in Cyprus would have said the same. Now I bet more people wish they kept more cash on hand. Those crazy preppers, they think the craziest things. Like, "the world banks will take money from your bank accounts." Crazies!!!!

 

[Hydrosun]

The very tip of the shit is hitting the fan right now. First Cyprus, then sweeping over the rest of the world. That's not your money in your wallet, that is the Federal Reserve's, it is posted on every bill made in America, you can barrow it, but when the Federal Reserve needs it back, they will take it. Just like in Cyprus.


To all the people that think prepping is crazy: Last week people in Cyprus would have said the same. Now I bet more people wish they kept more cash on hand. Those crazy preppers, they think the craziest things. Like, "the world banks will take money from your bank accounts." Crazies!!!!

Switch "cash on hand" (worthless than toliet paper) for Cannabis on hand and you are correct. Always willing to trade for cannabis or beer, collecting paper not my thing.

 

[OrganicBuds]

I agree for the most part Hydrosun, but tell that to the people in Cyprus that can't get access to their money. The banks have said they will stay closed until Thursday, or until the vote "passes." So in the mean time, paper money is very valuable. Now after inflation, that's another story, and yes, goods will always be in demand. Doesn't matter what pays for it, money, gold, other goods ext.