Everybody a breeder ?

[HidingInTheHaze]

I have heard of wharehouse grows. Have you heard of them?
1000 plants are not uncommon my friend.

Your on the internet now, Google it!!

Peace

Maybe for flowers but who is doing this just to select a few good plants?

You think the plants grown in these grows you speak of are top quality or do you think they are beaster grade buds?

You also think these grows you speak of are popping 1000 plants from seed? Nobody paying production cost on a warehouse grow is going to run a commercial grow from seed, a few herms in the crowd and the whole harvest value just dropped.

 

[sdd420]

We may not be breeders but we all pop seeds. All it takes is one lucky seed to get that special plant. Who made the seed by chance or design is breeding. A farmer buys a breeder sells both need the other both are happy. Sharing is good too

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Maybe for flowers but who is doing this just to select a few good plants?

You think the plants grown in these grows you speak of are top quality or do you think they are beaster grade buds?

You also think these grows you speak of are popping 1000 plants from seed? Nobody paying production cost on a warehouse grow is going to run a commercial grow from seed, a few herms in the crowd and the whole harvest value just dropped.

Well the media really dosen't go into detail about what they are up to, however if the people running these large grows with 2, 3 or 4000 plants, probly wouldn't hurt to pick some nice ones or do some breeding on the side, seems to me it would make breeding easier. As far as quality goes well I am sure there is some bag seed that goes along with there product, my point was you don't need to be on the side of a mountain in Pakistan to grow a thousand plants. I am sure in the Netherlands you could do this easy in a half acre greenhouse.

Peace

 

[GMT]

Closet is about 500 times to small to do an serious breeding IMO.

I disagree.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

We may not be breeders but we all pop seeds. All it takes is one lucky seed to get that special plant. Who made the seed by chance or design is breeding. A farmer buys a breeder sells both need the other both are happy. Sharing is good too

Couldn't have said it any better.

Peace

 

[Sativa Dragon]

I disagree.

I don't think any serious breeders hope to keep up with the pros by breeding in a 4 x 4 space, serious breeding needs space, I doubt anyone could pop a hundred seeds at a time in a 4 x 4 area.

I am curious why you disagree?

Peace

 

[GMT]

I've popped 500 seeds at a time, you know my breeding program and what I've done/doing, and thats all in a couple of closets. Sure it takes longer, but if time isn't your concern, if you are truly doing it for the love of doing it rather than to rush seeds to market, then it is not only possible, but enjoyable.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

I've popped 500 seeds at a time, you know my breeding program and what I've done/doing, and thats all in a couple of closets. Sure it takes longer, but if time isn't your concern, if you are truly doing it for the love of doing it rather than to rush seeds to market, then it is not only possible, but enjoyable.

Oh I agree with you don't get me wrong, you can totally do that, and you do I agree, I know your program, however time is on your side.

When I say "Serious" breeder I mean more than a few stable strains a year. A guy and a closet cannot keep up with that. These major companies in the Netherlands do this breeding on a large scale, or have done it in the past and now they have there go to plants for all there strains. There is a company that goes strain hunting I am sure we all know about, they do large scale breeding projects to stay on the cutting edge.

Peace

 

[GMT]

ah then its a disagreement purely on terminology. I think there is a difference between a breeder, and a seed company capable of putting out numerous strains per year, regardless of the level of breeding work that company may or may not carry out. I agree, you can't run a large multi strain company, doing numerous projects simultaneously in a closet or 2.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Oh I agree with you don't get me wrong, you can totally do that, and you do I agree, I know your program, however time is on your side.

When I say "Serious" breeder I mean more than a few stable strains a year. A guy and a closet cannot keep up with that. These major companies in the Netherlands do this breeding on a large scale, or have done it in the past and now they have there go to plants for all there strains. There is a company that goes strain hunting I am sure we all know about, they do large scale breeding projects to stay on the cutting edge.

Peace

This is actually an interesting level of distinction.

Personally, I think a breeder is defined more by time and study than by material success, but what level of practice validates that time and study as not being purely theoretical?

A person only working out of their closet might take several years to develop a single stable strain, but if he took the time to do it properly, despite his limited resources, would he not then be a breeder in practice if not in "status"?

 

[CHillTowneGenes]

i dont think its you can call your self a breeder if you havent crossed/backcrossed to atleast, bare minimum F3, i really feel like F4, but by the F3 i know for fact you can have a semi-stable/predictable strain. i like the chucking, and the clone usage to make seeds. to me it makes it easy to pick sides. you can do a open polination and find the cream of the crop to take back to the original seed set to make Bx's. i dont like the fact that they want to charge you out the ass for what normally turns out to be a seek and destroy mission. whether its tested or not, but hey what do i know, im a customer, and a do it yourselfer so i like growing as much as i like breeding, and smoking. i dont much care for the hyped strains, they dont give me much shelf life in relation to plateau effect of the buzz, but to each their own,,,

 

[Sativa Dragon]

This is actually an interesting level of distinction.

Personally, I think a breeder is defined more by time and study than by material success, but what level of practice validates that time and study as not being purely theoretical?

A person only working out of their closet might take several years to develop a single stable strain, but if he took the time to do it properly, despite his limited resources, would he not then be a breeder in practice if not in "status"?

Okay, what I meant by serious breeder is, Lets say you have a group of people who like to race cars, 10% of the group can afford to go all the way to the top they have the skill they got the sponsors and now they can make a career out of it.

Lets say you have a group of breeders of the same skill and intelligence, 10% can afford to go all the way they get some business partners and quit there jobs and open up shop and breed for a living.

We being the 90% havent quit our jobs to go all the way however we are all still breeders we just do it as a hobby.

And ofcourse some are seed makers and they come and go as the seasons change.

I hope I have split all the hairs down the right sides and angles.

peace

 

[SooperSmurph]

Okay, what I meant by serious breeder is, Lets say you have a group of people who like to race cars, 10% of the group can afford to go all the way to the top they have the skill they got the sponsors and now they can make a career out of it.

Lets say you have a group of breeders of the same skill and intelligence, 10% can afford to go all the way they get some business partners and quit there jobs and open up shop and breed for a living.

We being the 90% havent quit our jobs to go all the way however we are all still breeders we just do it as a hobby.

And ofcourse some are seed makers and they come and go as the seasons change.

I hope I have split all the hairs down the right sides and angles.

peace

Bringing us back to dedication, and the original differentiation, a "breeder" of any kind, professional or merely committed, is still a person involved with cannabis in the long term, making the only people with false claims to "breeder" status those who assign themselves the label without the experience and data to back it up.

 

[motaco]

This is my feeling on the topic. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make pot seeds. Even with a botany back ground many of the crosses you make will be lack luster.

The problem I have is when a breeder, whether it is a legendary name or an internet forum pollen chucker doesn't test his seeds before sale. They just make a cross, get some seeds, and sell them. Frankly some very big names do that. I have gotten absolute trash from big name vendors on multiple occasions.

If you plan to breed the genetic heritage is important. If you just want a good mum then it isn't. What I care about is that the batch of seeds you sell will produce high numbers of superior plants.

In this day in age of youtube and cheap cameras and so forth I wish breeders would have an honest marketing strategy. Do a grow log. Take 5 packs of their own seeds and grown them out. Let everyone see the germination rate, vigor, runts, m/f ratio, and keeper plants. Then at harvest let the breeder stand next to the crop and say "Here it is folks. 5 packs. Buy from me and you can have plants like this."

If its good work then it will stand for itself. It is way too easy to take a pic of one plant, or even just the parent, and then sell seeds with that pic. The really sad thing is that lots of breeders sell seeds without having a single pic of the plants it can produce. Just a name, a vague description, and a price tag. Not even a picture of the mother plant much less the progeny.

 

[frankenstein2]

Nobody is doing that.

Except maybe in india, afghanistan or africa where a farmer can run thousands on a mountain side and they just continually inbreed the same strain year after year.

To run a 1000 plants and to grow them to optimal performance is one hell of an endeavor and expensive to boot.

And if you are just half assing the gardening how can you make accurate selections if the plants were not grown to fullest potential.
How can you be a good breeder if you can't grow excellent plants. I've seen it myself the same clone grown over and over but produces very different results. sometimes I would have thrown that clone away if that was my only experience with it, and grown again and it was excellent.
I beg to differ. There are many cannabis seed banks that grow out seeds by the thousand. In the cannabis breeder's bible, it shows multiple fields that paradise seeds has. Fields upon fields of strains and pheno's to test with. That's besides the massive indoor setup they have, 12k just for mothers. So to say no one grows and breeds on a large scale is a gross understatement. And the breeder's bible i'm looking at is from 05', think how much expansion they've done by now.

 

[Weird]

well thankfully relativity bridges the gap

 

[Fly by Night]

Now I am wondering in wich catagory a 'survival of the fittest' inbreed 'breeder(?)' belongs?

Aww is we speaking of Sugarpants? My sweetie did some inspiring work... regardless of his methods, his style just made me melt

Get at me homie

 

[purple_man]

nice point sativa dragon, but can you explain how you would test 1000 or 4000 DIFFERENT phenotypes, especially if you are selecting for the effect -> you would have to smoke 4000 phenotypes... just another culprit in the "selection"....

blessss

 

[Sativa Dragon]

nice point sativa dragon, but can you explain how you would test 1000 or 4000 DIFFERENT phenotypes, especially if you are selecting for the effect -> you would have to smoke 4000 phenotypes... just another culprit in the "selection"....



blessss

Very very true Purp, however it doesn't take much to train 10 or 15 people what to look for and as far as testing goes, find the local collective and drop of some samples with a survey to fill out afterwards, this is all standard marketing and research and development stuff, every company that puts out a product has a target demograph they market to and alot of the time those are the people that follow them on social media. Pretty straght forward I would think, Pretty sure 5 dudes could easily do a good job of looking after a 1000 plants or more.



Purp

 

[Sativa Dragon]

My sentiments exactly Chill, no one starts at the top, and not everyone will, or want, or can be at the top. But we all fit somewhere. It's the moral compass of the individual that determines the quality they put out.

Peace