Everybody a breeder ?

[hamstring]

Well, today, it seems, anything that needs patience and commitment is hard even

though the task itself is easy. After all it's growing and selecting cannabis plants ffs.

It's just a bad business plan to work for a decade or more on a variety and then sell it just to have the copy cats and pollen chuckers knock it off and steal your market share.
So, no one is doing any real work and those who do don't sell their pure varieties.

The customer's selection bred the breeders... Bad selection = bad breeders. Easy. In times when the name is the most important trait of a plant, lotsa bad choices are being made.

Agreed, that was my only point.

As a OD grower and seed only true seed breeders don't exist(exaggeration) or are very hard to find.

Now in my mind Monsanto is the devil but I happen to know first hand well actually second hand, from someone that works there, it takes aprox 7 years for them to come out with a new seed strain. So again true seed breeding isn't easy( I know you didn't debate that fact just repeating for emphasis ). Pheno hunting is easy but that doesn't make a good reliable seed strain.

Maybe the thread starter should put more of a emphasis on what he actually meant but I took it as seeds not pheno hunting.

 

[SooperSmurph]

People keep saying things like "selecting mothers is easy" as if that's breeding in and of itself.

Selecting good individuals, monitoring their performance, choosing complementary strains,, these are basics of growing, and doing them doesn't mean you're a breeder or that you're breeding.

Breeding is a long term endeavor, if you think you're a breeder now, wait 5 years, and if you're still developing lines that you started recently, then you're probably a breeder, otherwise, you're just having fun with crosses like me and all the other amateurs out there.

 

[Easy7]

I love pollen chucking but why sell for more than $3.50 a seed. Why pay $10 to $18 a seed? Just cause lemon dinglberry is the new razzle dazzle don't make it worth two turds on a stick. This game ain't won by fraudulence!

 

[SooperSmurph]

I love pollen chucking but why sell for more than $3.50 a seed. Why pay $10 to $18 a seed?

Same reason that we pay much more for a steak in a restaurant than we would for one from the market.

 

[Zoolander]

The problem is that everything will come full circle and most lines will soon be watered down and kinda blah and a few like Raskals wifi will stand out but this is nothing new so all you can do is embrace it and see what the future holds. I've made some great crosses and done some selections from alot of seeds , Do I consider myself at Mr Tom Hills level or any of the old top breeders no but I have done my homework for 25 plus years and do think I put out very great work and limit everything I make because I don't think one should take 10 elite cones and just toss a nice male in the mix for mass seed production to make money and some of the prices I see are insane . I consider my work very good and limited which I think makes them more special then if I made 100,000 seeds of the same thing just to flip a buck .

 

[Medium Pimpin']

not breeders, hype machines.

 

[Frogmann]

Yes, ego and misinformation has disrupted good business and fairness to the consumer. Most consumers are suckers, but consumers are also god and dictate how business is done. Vote with your wallet! I think many of the popular strains of years past have changed because people demanded more yeild or more of a knock-out stone or a shorter plant or a quicker flowering time etc...something has to give accordingly. Also, breeders change as they get older. When you're under 30(hypothetical #) many are driven by their passions. Passions often produce great products. As they get old they become slaves to life and circumstance. Providing for your family or whatever the situation more often than not won't produce great products.

Yes Bob, perseption is reality..very good point! Truth is less important to most people, they would rather be bullshited and feel good about it.

 

[offthehook]

I donno if everyone's a breeder but I do know that every body in this life was ment to fail.

 

[Hammerhead]

no everyone is not a breeder but everyone does make seeds not the same IMO..Most of what we see are people making seeds.. There are very few real cannabis breeders still doing it. Charlie Garcia is a great breeder,Tom. Hill is a great breeder, DJ short is a great breeder.. I could go on but there aren't that many I would say about a dozen left

 

[chefboy6969]

There are very few real cannabis breeders still doing it. Charlie Garcia is a great breeder,Tom. Hill is a great breeder, DJ short is a great breeder.. I could go on but there aren't that many I would say about a dozen left

I didn't name them in my post...but your exactly right...there are a handful, of which you named...


peace
Chefboy

 

[silverhazefiend]

This thread isn't about who the real breeders are or people we think are real breeders ..
I dont want it to get side tracked ..this is about the influx of seed companies and "proclaimed" breeders ..people who renounce themselves as breeders with no real work ..they use one of many things some examples being the unlimited access to clones ,or a major following ,or brass u kno someone who's in the scene with alot of big names but are really not known for anything ..

Lets not drop names here bc that comes down to a matter of opinion mixed with reasoning ..this thread isn't about that ..if a breeder is really a breeder his work should speak for itself ..for example if u think dj short is good ..don't say dj short but rather blueberry a world famous variety ..this puts him in a diffrent class ..this is about the genetics doing the talking

A few people might have misinterpreted when I asked the original questions ..for the people justifying closet breeding for personal use that's fine ..this isn't about u or apply to u guys ..ur not "breeding" and putting it on a market for top dollar ..it's for personal use so once again it's not about u guys ..It's ur plants lights and nutes do what u like ...don't pollen chuck on Tuesday ..wake up Thursday decide to sell ur wares and call urself a breeder ..it's alot of that going on ...and I find the high pricing direspectful and cocky ..what warrants these prices ? Ur super elite clone only ?

Selection is another major component ..I'm not a breeder so I can't tell u how to select plants ..but I do kno ur selection should be biased on what the people want and go from there ..this is direction and I assume what serious breeders use ..pollen "chuckers" lack this ..

Like I said b4 I don't knock anyone's hustle not my game ..and I'm sure alot of these legit breeders started from somewhere ..so we do need people to make seeds ..but don't jump the gun ..don't throw your name in the ring with people who have been doing this for yrs ..let ur "WORK" speak for itself ..that's the whole reason we kno them from there work ..

Customers ,consumers have to do there part 2 ..a good way to find out who's a hack and who's not is simple questions ..like what was the direction of the project why did u select the male or female ...most hacks have 2 answers ..1the mom was stinky or the dad reeked ..2.it tasted good ...what about flower time ,yield , male to female ratios etc ..

Im sure I missed some points but I'll keep reading everybody's views on this subject

 

[blue green]

no everyone is not a breeder but everyone does make seeds not the same IMO..Most of what we see are people making seeds.. There are very few real cannabis breeders still doing it. Charlie Garcia is a great breeder,Tom. Hill is a great breeder, DJ short is a great breeder.. I could go on but there aren't that many I would say about a dozen left

*cough* aren't you forgetting someone? *cough*

The KING of Cannabis, Arjan?

 

[silverhazefiend]

*cough* aren't you forgetting someone? *cough*

The KING of Cannabis, Arjan?

This is a perfect example of the thread going south ..I asked the question as a real question ..not to target anyone or make joes out of the situation ..

This thread had a serious tone to it and I'd like it to stay that way .some really good growers shed some thoughts on the situation and that's what I'm looking for ..

 

[blue green]

Sorry, i didn't mean to pollute your thread....

but there is always room for a little bit of comedy, isn't there?

(I didn't poke fun at anyone that doesn't ask for it)

 

[offthehook]

^ It was satire very obviously. Bit of fun must be sometimes, it sure made me grin.

I got plenty of opinion on this matter too that I rather wish to keep to myself.
Been interestingly watching several threads on this issue before, but a little slap and tickle every once a while I thought would not hurt anyone.

Point token though, you want to keep it serious, I'll understand.

 

[Frogmann]

I laughed

 

[Weird]

strains are like farts

every one likes their own brand

 

[blue green]

strains are like farts

every one likes their own brand

True, but i think the word you were looking for was 'flavour'

 

[Frogmann]

Mine smell like rose petals

 

[Frogmann]

Honestly, I have respect for all the pioneers in the business. Thank you all for what most of us could've never done!