Planning a new soil : Recycle ; No-Till

[SoooHaggard]

Hey IC, newer member here, been on the organic road from the start.

Anyways after reading more and more of the soil builds going on around here I decided I should tweak my current set-up slightly and increase the diversity slightly.

This is all towards my goal of recycling my soil, I wasn't able to keep my BLM nor my Compost / Old soil mix due to un-seen well you know it is weed after all.

So I am currently vegging in a mix I am not found of, and was thrown together on the fly, I know this mix will carry me through flower, but at what cost.

So instead I am going to allow my Smart Pot's to prune away while I source this shit.

So here is the mix I have decided on with what I can source locally, well some what.

Base
Coir 1cf
Peat Moss 1cf ( Penobscot Blend Compost )
Leaf Liter / Top Soil 2cf

Compost
Coast of Maine Earthworm Castings 2cf
Coast of Maine Lobster Compost 1cf
Organic Composted Cow Manure 1 cf

Aeration (5.6gal/each)
Pumice
Rice Hulls
Vermiculite
Builders Sand / Local Clay
Chunky Perlite

Total = 12cf

Dry Goods
Plant Tone 12 cups
Kelp Meal 12 cups
Alfalfa Meal 12 cups
Crab Shell Meal 12 cups
Fish Bone Meal 12 cups
Neem Cake 12 cups

"Extra Liming" / Each Parts @ 1 cup/cf
Dolomite Lime
Gypsum

Stone Powders / Each Parts @ 4 cups/cf
Azomite
Granite Dust (Local source)

So yea, this is what I have come up with so far. The aeration/compost ratio isn't set in stone and I will more or less go by feel.

Comments, Concerns? Fuck up?
Anyways thanks in advanced.
HaGGarD

 

[Scrappy4]

Hey IC, newer member here, been on the organic road from the start.

Anyways after reading more and more of the soil builds going on around here I decided I should tweak my current set-up slightly and increase the diversity slightly.

This is all towards my goal of recycling my soil, I wasn't able to keep my BLM nor my Compost / Old soil mix due to un-seen well you know it is weed after all.

So I am currently vegging in a mix I am not found of, and was thrown together on the fly, I know this mix will carry me through flower, but at what cost.

So instead I am going to allow my Smart Pot's to prune away while I source this shit.

So here is the mix I have decided on with what I can source locally, well some what.

Base
Coir 1cf
Peat Moss 1cf ( Penobscot Blend Compost )
Leaf Liter / Top Soil 2cf

Compost
Coast of Maine Earthworm Castings 2cf
Coast of Maine Lobster Compost 1cf
Organic Composted Cow Manure 1 cf

Aeration (5.6gal/each)
Pumice
Rice Hulls
Vermiculite
Builders Sand / Local Clay
Chunky Perlite

Total = 12cf

Dry Goods
Plant Tone 12 cups
Kelp Meal 12 cups
Alfalfa Meal 12 cups
Crab Shell Meal 12 cups
Fish Bone Meal 12 cups
Neem Cake 12 cups

"Extra Liming" / Each Parts @ 1 cup/cf
Dolomite Lime
Gypsum

Stone Powders / Each Parts @ 4 cups/cf
Azomite
Granite Dust (Local source)

So yea, this is what I have come up with so far. The aeration/compost ratio isn't set in stone and I will more or less go by feel.

Comments, Concerns? Fuck up?
Anyways thanks in advanced.
HaGGarD

Looks excellent my friend. I was going to comment on the amount of areation but sounds like you have a handle on that too. You should be able to use that mix a very long time.....scrappy

 

[BlueJayWay]

Looks good - I would drop the plant tone (no need for an all purpose here, you have everything covered), the dolomite (plenty of calcium in the crab shell and the lobster compost and ewc, magnesium is plentiful amongst all your other additions), and cut the azomite to 1 cup cuF (kelp and rock dust and compost/ewc has ya covered).

Also toss the perlite and replace with more pumice.


But that's just me. Good luck and let us know how it goes!

 

[SoooHaggard]

Looks excellent my friend. I was going to comment on the amount of areation but sounds like you have a handle on that too. You should be able to use that mix a very long time.....scrappy

Scrappy

Thanks man I was hoping some of the old crew would comment since I can't PM until my posts are up.

 

[SoooHaggard]

Looks good - I would drop the plant tone (no need for an all purpose here, you have everything covered), the dolomite (plenty of calcium in the crab shell and the lobster compost and ewc, magnesium is plentiful amongst all your other additions), and cut the azomite to 1 cup cuF (kelp and rock dust and compost/ewc has ya covered).

Also toss the perlite and replace with more pumice.


But that's just me. Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Thanks for the feedback, I agree completely on the dolomite I was just worried the crab shell's wouldn't be broken down in time since the size is well above "powder".

The Azomite is going @ 2 cups/cf since it's mixed equally with the Granite dust, that parts kind of set in stone unless I get glacial and then I might even up it to 5 cups total.

No on the tone huh? I agree I do have most of the amendments found in raw form I just like the additional diversity, I have their Bio-Tone that contains a bunch of microbe spores and Cocoa shells so I think I am going to use that instead thanks for the pointer!

 

[SoooHaggard]

Looks excellent my friend. I was going to comment on the amount of areation but sounds like you have a handle on that too. You should be able to use that mix a very long time.....scrappy

MI I mean Scrappy, do you play Black Ops 2? I saw someone using your old username and friend requested, I asked if GC meant anything organically to you if soo lol

 

[SkunkPatronus]

You're missing sul-po-mag. I love that stuff!

 

[BlueJayWay]

Thanks for the feedback, I agree completely on the dolomite I was just worried the crab shell's wouldn't be broken down in time since the size is well above "powder".

The Azomite is going @ 2 cups/cf since it's mixed equally with the Granite dust, that parts kind of set in stone unless I get glacial and then I might even up it to 5 cups total.

No on the tone huh? I agree I do have most of the amendments found in raw form I just like the additional diversity, I have their Bio-Tone that contains a bunch of microbe spores and Cocoa shells so I think I am going to use that instead thanks for the pointer!

Sounds good - I've just never been one to use stuff like the 'tone', you really do already have everything you need - I bet if you did a side by side, one with one without, you wouldn't notice a difference at all, ever.

But that's the great thing about working the soil, many different variations will work!

 

[SoooHaggard]

You're missing sul-po-mag. I love that stuff!

Good to see you around lady!

Your right and that's the only thing I haven't tried yet, do you source from amazon or locally?

 

[SoooHaggard]

Sounds good - I've just never been one to use stuff like the 'tone', you really do already have everything you need - I bet if you did a side by side, one with one without, you wouldn't notice a difference at all, ever.

But that's the great thing about working the soil, many different variations will work!

Ever you say? Really? Tone's seem to have more slow releases such as feather meal and the cocoa shells, figuring that would help if I do in-fact decide to No-Till.

Have you seen the Bio-Tone? Slightly different amendments then the rest of them, and about 8 species of fungi in decent (25/g) spore counts.

I took 1cup of Wheat Bran and added a small amount of molasses then wet it thoroughly without being soaked, then added 1/4 cup Bio-Tone. 48hrs I had very nice complex, dense myclieum growth, now I have no way of telling if this was the tone or simply airborne spores but hey looked pretty!

 

[BlueJayWay]

Ever you say? Really? Tone's seem to have more slow releases such as feather meal and the cocoa shells, figuring that would help if I do in-fact decide to No-Till.

Key word being notice - It would add to the soil obviously (or detract initially if it makes it too rich to start off with) but I highly doubt you will ever notice the difference, whether or not you add it, ya know - again 'just me' and I'd save the change for somethin' else...

 

[SoooHaggard]

Key word being notice - It would add to the soil obviously (or detract initially if it makes it too rich to start off with) but I highly doubt you will ever notice the difference, whether or not you add it, ya know - again 'just me' and I'd save the change for somethin' else...

Gotcha and I agree! I got it on a whim since my local Lowe's moved, normally like $20 got it for 4 lol Do still need to buy some neem cake from neem resources though.

 

[BlueJayWay]

You're gonna LOVE the Ahimsa (neem resource) Neem - especially if you're accustomed to the Down To Earth Neem - I will never go back! LOL

 

[Greenheart]

Neem Resource ftw! Friendly and helpful. Good to know quality is on their side to boot. Plus being the yogurt loving earth hugger that I am that Ahimsa outlook on life just made me feel right about them.

I got my Kmag aka sul-po-mag of ebay last time I was hunting best price.

 

[Tree dogg]

You're missing sul-po-mag. I love that stuff!

Hey Guys,
Do you have an amount to use, Mrs. Skunk
I remember LD had warned me against too much mag causing major problems. I have one mix I think is way overloaded, so I have been mixing that with newer batches of soil

 

[FunTimesIndeed]

Yo Treedog. You might enjoy the Albrecht thread I just bumped.

 

[Tree dogg]

Planning a new soil : Recycle ; No-Till

Yo Treedog. You might enjoy the Albrecht thread I just bumped.

I did enjoy that thanks!

 

[420inmi]

Planning a new soil : Recycle ; No-Till

Sub'd up. Hey Haggard

 

[SoooHaggard]

It's like a classroom reunion in my thread! Diggin it!

Tree always a pleasure.
420 just wait till I make some more ISO.
Funtimes - Good choice! I read that the entire way through even when it (wooshed) right over my head.

 

[SoooHaggard]

So I added one cup of my current soil mix to a mason jar, did the harlem shake, then let it sit for 48hrs. So here's what I go.

It's looks to me like I need to increase my clay and stone powder amounts slightly, and the addition of some castings is needed since this mix ( I know, I know ) has none.