Ca or P problems?! Need some input please

[omera1]

Hello,

I have some problems with my cuttings, they are vegging for 2 weeks and show little brown spots on the leaves. I checked Joe´s sticky but im still confused. In my opinion it could be calcium or P. I tend to Ca, because i (have to) use filtered water, so Ca&Mg in my water is very low. The first starts with the first brown spot 3 days ago, the i gave them 1 watering KISS@ full strengh (100-100-200 and 70/60-Mg/Ca). But today the other start doing the same

Light: 250w MH
Soil: Allmix
Pot Size: 7l
Veg time: 2 Weeks
Water ph: 6.5
Fertilizer after week1 : kelp extract, compost tea, supervit


Would be great if someone can help me

 

[omera1]

or maybe a fungus ?

 

[omera1]

really noone?

 

[Coba]

those look like bug bites to me.

 

[omera1]

Its a selfmade Warlock x ?? strain. I dont think that these are bites because the mother does exactly the same, and other strains right next to them are healthy and looking good. Nothing really sems to help her so i hit her very hard with nutes (4 times the normal dose + PK, kelp etc). After that i saw new growth without that brown spots, but after 2 weeks it starts again. Then i put her in a bigger pot, and the same happend: new healthy growth and after 2 weeks the spots. And the spots didnt stay at this size, they get bigger until the whole finger or leave is affected. I dont want to put everything in high doses to the soil, i think its better to find the real problem...Maybe i hit one with P and another with Ca today to see what happens.

 

[Coba]

omera1, from your pictures, I would bet a golden ticket you have thrips or another sap sucking pest in your room.

when a bug bites a plant, the plant subsequently kills/shuts down all the cells surrounding the wound to keep disease from spreading to the whole plant from the exposure.

that is what your pictures look like to me.

Ca affects the whole plant and you would probably see more spots in the marginal areas not just the edges of the leaves.

P would affect the whole plant as well. Do you have purple stems/petioles? I've seen a severe P deficiency affect the entire edges of the leaf's serrations. but, that happened way after the purpling started...

My money is on bugs... at least from the two pictures you've posted.

 

[omera1]

ok thank you,
but what about that the other strains around dont have these problems ?
some of the leafe stems are a bit red/purple.

 

[TripleDraw27]

all i see is one fucking brown spot?

definately not thrips, thrips have more squiggly type lines in the leaf, trust me, i have the largest colony in mankind. That brown spot??? Possible you spilled your water on it? Maybe the leaf was ripped, now its browning? You are thinking to much possibly?

Its no bug for sure, and def not thrips. You can see thrips, and you can see them trying to out smart you as well when running behind leaves. Not thrips. If these are babies....btw they look great..! Nice color etc, if babies maybe just sensitive to what you are feeding.

 

[omera1]

thanks draw! yeah its a bit curious cause overall they look very good and healthy exept these brown spots...
im a bit frustrated now, i couldn handle the mother and now the babies are going to share her fate
tomorrow i will give one of them high p and another high ca... and see what happens

 

[Coba]

"thrips have more squiggly type lines in the leaf,"

are you sure you don't mean leafminers?

 

[Coba]

"Its no bug for sure, and def not thrips."

excuse me dude... but, the difference between one thrip in your garden and "the largest colony in mankind" is that " one fucking brown spot?"

especially when your attitude is "Maybe the leaf was ripped, now its browning..." or " You are thinking to much possibly..."

the symptoms are consistent with bug damage... maybe not the major infestation it takes for most to actually do something about... but bug damage none the less.

otherwise the plants look fine... and they will probably out grow these insignificant blemishes... but, you cared enough to post pics... so I cared enough to help out. keep a mindful eye for bugs...
Coba out.

 

[TripleDraw27]

"thrips have more squiggly type lines in the leaf,"

are you sure you don't mean leafminers?

positive, maybe description was wrong. Miners are squiggly yes, more of a uniformed line...but thrips also have a little curve in their markings, notch more sporadic though. Like I said...I house thrips like its a business.


Now i could say, fuck bro..i have a round zit like thing on my nuts.
Bro2 will says herpes.
Bro3 will say warts.
Bro4 will say in-grown hair.
Bro5 will say zit.

You wont know much unless you have seen examples of all above, at least lamens diagnosis.

Not sure where i was going with that. But Miners are distinct, as are thrips. Thrips will also leave little black balls of turds, usually can be seen on top of leaves, some people freak thinking their eggs.

 

[TripleDraw27]

excuse me dude... but, the difference between one thrip in your garden and "the largest colony in mankind" is that " one fucking brown spot?"

especially when your attitude is "Maybe the leaf was ripped, now its browning..." or " You are thinking to much possibly..."

the symptoms are consistent with bug damage... maybe not the major infestation it takes for most to actually do something about... but bug damage none the less.

otherwise the plants look fine... and they will probably out grow these insignificant blemishes... but, you cared enough to post pics... so I cared enough to help out. keep a mindful eye for bugs...
Coba out.

Uh, ree-ree, im not the OP.
The op and many others sometimes think to hard and pass the obvious, very common, and very important to eliminate that possibility first so one doesnt run in circles.. Cause bugs are scary in our gardens of course. the two photos show two brown spots. Ive seen that when ripped accidentally or sometimes a hotter mix and drips on the leaves.

 

[TripleDraw27]

thanks draw! yeah its a bit curious cause overall they look very good and healthy exept these brown spots...
im a bit frustrated now, i couldn handle the mother and now the babies are going to share her fate
tomorrow i will give one of them high p and another high ca... and see what happens

Hey bud. Do not give up. Give good vibes and positive thoughts


Plus man you said it...." they look very healthy". If its just a couple of brown spots I wouldnt sweat it. If you think its a bug, why would a bug only take two bites and bone out? Ya know. Ive never seen that personally, where I usually see one issue, I see them elsewhere, in alot of cases at least. You have some fine looking ladies, remember KISS!

 

[omera1]

thanks, i try to do my best draw
i think KISS@full strength seems to work. no new brown spots up to now. i will see what the days bring. every day KISS for these five patients, and if i overdo it then flush+compost tea. from now on no mercy