plants per spot

[the gnome]

Absolutely do NOT do this! The stress from this will cause your plants to hermie. Wait until you can take some clones, then flower the clones. This will allow you to sex your plants with the least amount of stress, if you can't wait for preflowering.

Even if your plants don't hermie, their internal clocks will be all screwed up and will not grow properly for several weeks. I would stick with buying fem beans and avoid sexing all together.

Ive reveg'd my share of female cuts and never had
1 go hermie on me.
yes, their clock is screwed for a while...
and they all grow out of it...I can't see a prob with that?
its an accepted common practice from what Ive seen here.

on the other hand if a strain can't take all the *stress* and does hermie.....
dump it, its a shit from the git go

 

[Ajunta Pall]

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, when I've done this I had plants not reveg after a week they kept on flowering. They hermied on me after a couple of days after I put them back on the 12/12. Other plants that did reveg were growth wise, a month behind of other plants that I did not try this with. For me, and the way I grow, which is to put as many plants as I can, this was not the wisest and best use of not only of my time, but grow space and nutes. Absolute bullshit? I think not, scientifically proven, hardly. (Those were my experiences take them as you will.)

For me I had very disappointing results, and two months of growing were lost that year. Personally I don't think the time lost to revegging has any value. I could grow a couple rounds of starts in the time spent flowering and reveging. Flowering a clone is more efficient in my view than making a plant do a complete 180. Also plants can undergo a lot of stress outdoors during a season, so putting them under stress before they go out seems pointless when there are easier ways that not only are stress free, but allows you to utilize your time in a much more efficient way.

I'm not saying that one can't reveg a clone or a plant if keeping the plant/clone is done to preserve the genetics. It's doing it as prep for your outdoor season imo is counterproductive.

 

[GoodyTwoShoes]

Plants don't get stressed, they don't give f F.... what you do to them.
And when you sex plants, you don't put them into full flower to sex them, just a week of 12/12, the males will show sex first and you pull them up, and the rest are females, with the odd late flowering male which you might miss; you don't even need to see pollen sacs on the males, just look down on the plant from the top and the males have this sort of mini cola and the females the top of the plant looks just like its growing leafs.
Reveging a plant from full bud growth can take a while but in sexing plants you don't go that far, just a week and then back into 24 hours of light.

 

[hamstring]

Plants don't get stressed, they don't give f F.... what you do to them.

And when you sex plants, you don't put them into full flower to sex them, just a week of 12/12, the males will show sex first and you pull them up, and the rest are females, with the odd late flowering male which you might miss; you don't even need to see pollen sacs on the males, just look down on the plant from the top and the males have this sort of mini cola and the females the top of the plant looks just like its growing leafs.
Reveging a plant from full bud growth can take a while but in sexing plants you don't go that far, just a week and then back into 24 hours of light.

Brother Goody

I don't know about a blanket statement like that.

I think its common knowledge that plants are stressed by environmental conditions. This stress shows its self in disease and other factors. Just google it you will see its not a wives tale. There is a whole division of plant science devoted to it.

Maybe in your experience hermies are cause by the breeder vs environment. There is some truth to that but I think you would hard pressed to rule out stress as one of the factors at least.

I have seen it where a plant under perfect conditions water, light, food, ect will not hermie but give it some high humidity or drought or to much ferts and it will be more likely to hermie. Yes, I agree it probably has something to with the breeding but the other factors force this trait out.

Its the old nurture vs nature both have something to do with finial product.

 

[Buddah Watcha]

One important tip is to not line up your plants on a set pattern, scatter plants around randomly, with that being said, I wouldn't pass 5-6 plants per 50x50ft area.

Best of luck on the outdoor season!

 

[buddymate]

 

[buddymate]

IOne important tip is to not line up your plants on a set pattern

Good tip!
If I am planting on the edge of motorways I normally cram as many into the plot as it will take,people tend not to notice when they are passing at 70 mph,nor do they wonder whats growing behind the thin screen of trees on the embankement.

 

[tommy1984]

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wow buddymate, thats an awesome site! But arnt you afraid of there visability from the air once they reach 7,8 or 9ft tall and 5-6 ft wide?

 

[buddymate]

arnt you afraid of there visability from the air once they reach 7,8 or 9ft tall and 5-6 ft wide?

No I normally plant out 250 a year,the location means they arent likely to be spotted from the air

 

[GoodyTwoShoes]

What are those screens around them supposed to keep out?
I like the idea of planting next to a motorway, as you say no-one is going to notice anything if they are going fast, and if they do catch a glimpse, well they can't come to a stop a few hundred yards down the road and reverse back.
I often fantasise about an urban guerrilla grow, putting some plants smack bang in the middle of a city or big town.
I have found some vacant areas around here where it could be done, the only problem is there are houses backing on to them, and if someone looked out the window and saw me tramping around in there they would get suspicous, people are nosy around here.

But good photo; we don't see enough photo's of big outdoor grows on here.
Are people doing them?

 

[GoodyTwoShoes]

I have seen it where a plant under perfect conditions water, light, food, ect will not hermie but give it some high humidity or drought or to much ferts and it will be more likely to hermie. Yes, I agree it probably has something to with the breeding but the other factors force this trait out.

If it was due to stress then all the plants in the crop would hermie, as they are all going through the same conditions.
But as it is maybe one will hermie and the rest will be M and F.
So it is genetic.
It's been years since I had a hermie, and I stress the plants in all the ways you mention above. Any yet no hermies.
Lets not let the breeders off the hook, lets make them accountable for unsound breeding.
I have some C-Plus F2's, and have germinated about 30 or more of them, no hermies.
Also about 40 N/L x Darkstar, no hermies.
If you get your seeds from a reputable breeder you won't get hermies.
It's the feminised seeds and the American closet bred stuff like Chemdogs, Diesels etc. that are accounting for the spike in reports of hermies lately.
Because they haven't been properly bred.
Soma's NYC Diesel for example; where did that come from? He found a seed in a bag of weed he bought in New York. So given most indoor growers grow cuttings of female plants then that seed was obviously from a plant that hermied.
So he bred a whole strain from a hermie.
So say you are right and stress can cause some plants to herme, well stress will not cause most plants to hermie, so if it hermies some of the time while other plants around it in the same conditions don't, then it was a hermie plant from the start, it was a closet hermie, hiding away in the closet but making an occasional appearance as a hermie and then passing as a female plant the rest of the time.

 

[thaicat]

Your spot dictates how many per spot. I do spots that can only hold a couple per acre and some spots may get 30+ per acre. One spot may hold 1 or 2 full season plants and 50 anklebiters (2'-3' plants.) Some may hold 30 full-sized monsters....Site dictates numbers...

 

[buddymate]

Site dictates numbers...

You understand the game.well said.

 

[thaicat]

You understand the game.well said.

Your site also dictates technique. I've harvested 300-500 plants in areas others consider ''impossible'' and within 50' of a city street with tens/hundreds of thousand people passing by daily and some spots others consider ideal, I'd never consider putting even one (large) plant in.

All that's in the ''Massive Outdoor Grow'' thread. I read that thread every year and always find something of use each time. I consider it required reading for anyone considering and outdoor gig...Too bad there's no fucking pictures in that son bitch! Lol.

 

[GoodyTwoShoes]

All that's in the ''Massive Outdoor Grow'' thread. I read that thread every year and always find something of use each time. I consider it required reading for anyone considering and outdoor gig...Too bad there's no fucking pictures in that son bitch! Lol.

There are no picture because Julian was a fake, he is just a delusional meth head.

 

[thaicat]

There are no picture because Julian was a fake, he is just a delusional meth head.

Dear, Lord. Where to start?

...I've often felt that way. I mean, in the real sense of time/universal sense of being. Aren't we all meth fueled, crack-headed benders of reality?

I'm tempted to run a poll and question how many here have read that thread in it's entirety. I'm actually amazed someone hasn't condensed it into a book and gotten rich.

Any questions in regard to ''plants per spot'' had better read that thread...

 

[GoodyTwoShoes]

Well look at his writing style, all disconnected and all over the place, jumps from one topic to another in mid sentence and back again.
The guy's just dreaming of what he would do if he could do.
With all the alleged money he was making couldn't he afford a camera?

 

[buddymate]

how many here have read that thread in it's entirety.

I have read it several times,I only do 250 plants a year but the thread is inspirational.

 

[Nunsacred]

I seem to work to a rule of 3 and 6.
...... aiming to have 3 or 6 female plants per spot.

this works out well for me, my nerves, my overall results.

Grow for myself only, so I have it easy in that way

I couldn't read that much of Julian's Massive Outdoor Grow
No smoke reports or descriptions of unusual phenos,
No lovely details of the lovely plants just manic numbers
so I got bored.

Also a bit resentful of big concentrated grows, the way it feels to find one.
If I owned a couple of hectares of land and found a big grow worth thousands put there, I'd be angry that someone has taken that risk on my arse, including the risk of guns etc. Because of the value.

Admit I wouldnt exactly be pleased about finding a small GG either but at least it's not threatening.

 

[Easy7]

I'd say it depends how many the spot can handle. Planning on 7 in one and 4 in another, 3 in one and just 1 in another one. Male female seeds tends to cut down on how many are left but I hope to make some seeds too.

They don't fly helo's in my area without actionable intelligence first......so if nobody knows it is all good.