any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[Medium Pimpin']

Romulator's SSH 53 Days E&f V&B nutes

i'm not 100% sure what EC i'm feeding at.
started out w/ tsp/g until last 2 res top offs.
topped off my 20 gallon res w/ under 5g of plain h2o.
last time was the same <5g
i might have 1 more top off before i dump and flush.
so far it's pretty fool proof shit, as long as i check the ph every week or so.

 

[slowandeasy]

HR says to use Overdrive or Hydroplex from end of stretch til flush....use less V+B of course

 

[netprophet]

update

 

[dansbuds]

HR says to use Overdrive or Hydroplex from end of stretch til flush....use less V+B of course

Where did you see that ???

I haven't used anything other than V&B yet ..... & i'm not sure i need to

these are at 68 days , they come down on saturday . they,ve been running on .2 EC for the last 12 days

 

[slowandeasy]

Chris from HR emailed me back, I asked him about PK boosters....he suggests 8ml Overdrive then mix V+B to EC you want.

 

[dansbuds]

Chris from HR emailed me back, I asked him about PK boosters....he suggests 8ml Overdrive then mix V+B to EC you want.

Really ?!?!

 

[max_well]

overdrive?

overdrive?

Yeah, I'm kind of surprised by that suggestion too.. seems to contrast the idea of using a simple program that sustains the whole cycle, not to mention the cost of using the overdrive at this rate from end of stretch to flush would likely exceed the total cost of the V+B use... (it's like $120 per gallon). I wonder of Chris would make a suggestion on how to replicate Overdrive from raw salts?.. NPK is 1-5-4, made from only 4 ingredients: http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/illinois/illinois_labels/Overdrive_Label.pdf

AN does use Magnesium phosphate (and their big bud), which isn't a common fertilizer ingredient (ie. can't be sourced from common places to get other raw salts, customhydronutrients.com is a good one). Not sure of the explanation for it's use.

At any rate, I guess a good practice would be to do an experiment, as controlled as possible, with/out elevated PK levels during flowing and see if there are benefits compared to V+B alone. Surprised to never see many simple side-by-side tests like these with definitive results of enhanced yield.

 

[Hydrolized]

At any rate, I guess a good practice would be to do an experiment, as controlled as possible, with/out elevated PK levels during flowing and see if there are benefits compared to V+B alone. Surprised to never see many simple side-by-side tests like these with definitive results of enhanced yield.

I have 2 separate 2kw 4x8 tents with a selected pheno that I've done a few side by sides with in the past for things like defoliating...I'm starting my new Veg run with this stuff next week. At the end of the 4 week veg run, I'm going to split the 16 into 8 for each tent....I think I'm going to run just V+B in one, and use V+B and Liquid Koolbloom in the the other, both at the same EC, and see what happens, since the V+B does seem super low in P once you start cutting back after week 3.

 

[slowandeasy]

Just mixed 8ml Overdrive to RO water.... It is .4EC. Added V+B to equal 1.2EC, hope it works well! Anyone use cal-mag with low levels of , V+B? I see slight cal+mag def starting

 

[dansbuds]

That means shes not getting enough juice . Rives & I discussed this back a few pages , we were getting weird def's & it was because the feeds were to low . up your feed to about 1.4 or 1.5 & i'll bet you see a difference .
good luck slow
I'm interested to see how ya do with the overdrive .

 

[dansbuds]

At any rate, I guess a good practice would be to do an experiment, as controlled as possible, with/out elevated PK levels during flowing and see if there are benefits compared to V+B alone. Surprised to never see many simple side-by-side tests like these with definitive results of enhanced yield.

I'd like to see that as well . I'm getting great results without any PK boost at all & would love to know if the PK would make a substantial difference .

 

[slowandeasy]

That means shes not getting enough juice . Rives & I discussed this back a few pages , we were getting weird def's & it was because the feeds were to low . up your feed to about 1.4 or 1.5 & i'll bet you see a difference .
good luck slow
I'm interested to see how ya do with the overdrive .

Thanks, I lowered it to 1.2, cause you do.

 

[dansbuds]

Every room , environment , strain & water source is going to be different . the info i gave you is a basicly a base line . you have to adjust from there to suite the needs of your plants .

 

[rives]

Every room , environment , strain & water source is going to be different . the info i gave you is a basicly a base line . you have to adjust from there to suite the needs of your plants .

I'm finding a huge difference in lighting. In the past I've always run LEDs with V+B, and this time I'm trying out my new 315w (x2) Philips CDM lamps. A strain that I've run a number of times before and had pretty well dialed is reacting completely differently. Way hungrier & when I cut back from 1.6 to 1.2, they started losing color in just a few days rather than taking several weeks.

 

[slowandeasy]

Every room , environment , strain & water source is going to be different . the info i gave you is a basicly a base line . you have to adjust from there to suite the needs of your plants .

My strain I'm trying V+B on is SSSDH, when I bumped EC from 1.6 to 1.8 I had tip burn. This is in my LED tent...I noticed cal-mag def starting when dropped EC to 1.2 for a couple days. Just dosed with Overdrive last night....added more V+B to raise EC to 1.4-1.5 just now. Week 6, going 11 weeks min.

 

[slowandeasy]

I'm finding a huge difference in lighting. In the past I've always run LEDs with V+B, and this time I'm trying out my new 315w (x2) Philips CDM lamps. A strain that I've run a number of times before and had pretty well dialed is reacting completely differently. Way hungrier & when I cut back from 1.6 to 1.2, they started losing color in just a few days rather than taking several weeks.

What EC you run in your led?

 

[dansbuds]

I'm finding a huge difference in lighting. In the past I've always run LEDs with V+B, and this time I'm trying out my new 315w (x2) Philips CDM lamps. A strain that I've run a number of times before and had pretty well dialed is reacting completely differently. Way hungrier & when I cut back from 1.6 to 1.2, they started losing color in just a few days rather than taking several weeks.

I can't really comment on that , i just run flouro's then HID's MH & HPS

 

[rives]

What EC you run in your led?

I had been using a maximum of 1.6 with the LEDs. These girls were still a little pale by comparison at that level, I probably should have gone up 1.8 or 2.0.

 

[slowandeasy]

FWIW, Chris emailed me back today,... He says cal-mag or other supplements maybe needed if you drop V+B levels. So, I might add magi-cal when I drop EC next time. I don't want to keep N levels high by adding more V+B in the last few weeks.

 

[ghostmade]

it seems to me veg+bloom is a goood base nute for cheap.that may require minimal dialage.so pk booster and sum calmag is always good to keep on deck just in case?