Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

[psyphish]

I personally HAVE TO defoliate, because the CMH I use produces so many leaves that my tent gets too full. Even in flower the plants push out leaves, take one and two will take its place. Also in veg I've noticed that LST and de-foliating cause the plants to grow a lot more budsites. I consider myself an amateur with a lot to learn, but every time I don't remove leaves, I end up with less yield and more popcorn.

ps. DrFever, those buds in your pictures don't look that impressive... nor dense.

 

[DrFever]

I personally HAVE TO defoliate, because the CMH I use produces so many leaves that my tent gets too full. Even in flower the plants push out leaves, take one and two will take its place. Also in veg I've noticed that LST and de-foliating cause the plants to grow a lot more budsites. I consider myself an amateur with a lot to learn, but every time I don't remove leaves, I end up with less yield and more popcorn.

ps. DrFever, those buds in your pictures don't look that impressive... nor dense.

my tent ??? ok there dude could you please post some of your defoiled dense buds ??? here is another

 

[siftedunity]

You must be trolling! Did you not read it was just a standard top? Nodes alternate during flower, and what you see is that alternation... I am sorry it was not the size of a 2 liter bottle, but I guarantee that bud is rock solid, and not "airy" like you so ignorantly claim defoliated buds are...

no im not trolling at all. i never ment to offend you but the bud you posted has some gaps in it. what strain was it? it was density, and not size i was commenting on..

i dont do trolling im open minded.

So step up to the plate and do it yourself! Quit trying to dismantle the EXPERIENCE of others that have been successful doing it. If in doubt so much, do your own side by side. Don't demand it from others that have already self proven this technique to themselves. It's ignorant to expect that of others just to please you. Do it yourself, step the hell up. And link us a journal here doing it. I'm sure some of those with the experience would be happy to guide you doing it.

well tell me what to do and il run a couple of defoiliated plants in my usual grow. i need the highest yields possible, while retaining quality/high/smell/ resin production.

im not trolling just being honest about what i see.

tell me what to do and il try two plants next to my others. will be flowering in about two weeks or so.

 

[Bassy59]

Bassy if you were to look at any of your journals which reminds me where are they lol
you always tend to mention other members or peoples grows, but most importantly forget about your own grow and again, lets use the excuse there on another site right ?????

Just google:
Increasing yield with defoliation indoors - What's it mean? How to do it?

You can find my journals from my sig right there.

i get constant pm's from members asking for advice can you say the same ?? i doubt it , i have journals on here and 100 percent positive some members implemented some of my style into there grow , Can you say the same i doubt it

I most certainly can say the same. Who cares? I'm not here for ego.

I'm sure some have adopted your methods. Nobody is saying you are a bad grower. Just an egotistical ignorant grower that expounds his way as the only way.

i ask you one thing i stated scientific data can you do the same for defoilating in flower
yes the op did it but looking at his pictures he still had lots of leaf left on the plant.
Which is a good thing selective trimming to allow light to mid plant buds but to think if a plant is 30" tall and your light 16- 24" above that that trimming leafs are going to make them low buds perform is ludicrous.....
It puts the light to far away to have penetration power yes they will stretch and be airy period.

My 1k hps is 10" from canopy, with no heat issues, no bleaching. Maybe you should look up light penetration charts?

how many times come harvest you trim lower buds and there not even done ???? i can tell you for me all lower bud sites are no where as close to top buds so why have them right ?????
but this is where the difference come into the equation you grow for your self i grow for $$$$ lower bud sites do form but in reality are much smaller. small buds are just that small buds and we must not forget when that guy is handing out 10 - 20 - 50 100k in cash for that weed he wants primo buds cause you are forgetting something really important here that weed will go thru 10 hands before its smoked
and by that time that small bud is SHAKE in that bag

I DON'T have that issue with lower buds. Gee, wonder why?
So you admit, all you are is a cash cropping dealer. You don't give a fuck about the medical use of MJ, you sure as fuck wouldnt support legalization as it would cut into your profits.

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT is why has there never been a side by side un bias test done ?? cause i can assure you the untouched trained plant would kill it

Go back and read k33f's pdf, you're insanely wrong and talking out the side of your neck.

I am pretty sure we can agree on a few things right ????
defoilating in veg slows plant period now why in the hell would anyone want to slow growth rates??????? when its everyone's goal to grow as fast and as much yield as possible ?????

And what part of separate veg area during the EIGHT FUCKING WEEKS OF FLOWERING PERIOD do you not understand? This changes NOTHING in terms of harvests per year. We veg during a flower period. Are you so pea brained that after being told such at least 6 times you still don't get it? Edit: YES it slows them in veg, but we dont care because we have 6 weeks or so to work with while the other grow is in flowering! Nobody has EVER denied this FACT.

and for closing argument bassy could you post a picture and please RECENT picture of one of your plants here is one of mine day 30 from a 3" clone lets see one of yours and trust me its a 10 - 16 oz plant finished i'll be waiting talk the talk or walk the walk hahaha. and just for you a hard dense bud and a stalk that supports 14 oz plus please post us some of your stalks that support your so called 10 oz's

PS: if you don't then your full of crap

Edit#2: 1. you realize the difference between 10 oz - 16oz is 60% right? And you want to give us that as a range for 1 plant? You're a great estimator. So where is this plant in your journal? I mean your current journal is HOPING for 1.5-2.5 LBS (another 70% range difference) from 12 plants in flower. So are you getting 16 oz from 1 plant, and 24 oz combined from the other 11? Impressive. Please, elaborate.

Feel free to look back at post #242 for your answers.

Now, care to comment on EVERY response I made to you?

BTW, great job, you had two periods in your run-on sentence, wall of text above.

 

[Bassy59]

@siftedunity, First go read a shit ton of https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174163 and DOWNLOAD the pdf in the first post and read all of it numerous times so you understand the basics.

Then get back here and post a link to new journal. Or ask for clarification here before you start. I know I for one, and I'm sure some others here too would be willing to offer their experience.

 

[DrFever]

Still waiting bassy on 30 day pics ) or are you full of crap ??????
by the way nice grow you got going on ...... how old are they out of curosity??? are those plants going to yield 10 0z per ???? those pics were like dec 2012 are they not done yet ???? you must have some shots of them in flower now huh ??? or are they still in veg recovering ????? are they done.
and as for my current grow ???? they were babys i just threw into a make up room ) as i got some other things on the go still going to kill it tho chop is this week end i'll make sure to show you screen shots of lots of buds not some buds in a pizza container or may be i should order pizza on chop day hey thats not a bad idea and place some buds in a pizza container for you ??????

Here your grow then my 11 plants and one in big tote ) covering a area of 4 x 8 feet or so a far cry from my usual grows but still would bet 3 - 6 0z per plant dry
Anyways your boring me with your little talk and until you post us for all to see and quit dodging it your full of crap

PS: my last grow 10 x the size of your tent hahaha i bet one of them plants would fill your tent full no need for how many ????

 

[Bassy59]

Still waiting bassy on 30 day pics ) or are you full of crap ??????
by the way nice grow you got going on ...... how old are they out of curosity??? are those plants going to yield 10 0z per ???? those pics were like dec 2012 are they not done yet ???? you must have some shots of them in flower now huh ??? or are they still in veg recovering ????? are they done.
and as for my current grow ???? they were babys i just threw into a make up room ) as i got some other things on the go still going to kill it tho chop is this week end i'll make sure to show you screen shots of lots of buds not some buds in a pizza container or may be i should order pizza on chop day hey thats not a bad idea and place some buds in a pizza container for you ??????

Here your grow then my 11 plants and one in big tote ) covering a area of 4 x 8 feet or so a far cry from my usual grows but still would bet 3 - 6 0z per plant dry
Anyways your boring me with your little talk and until you post us for all to see and quit dodging it your full of crap

PS: my last grow 10 x the size of your tent hahaha i bet one of them plants would fill your tent full no need for how many ????

Those were clones from over a fucking year ago you retarded dipshit. It's the SECOND TIME you've tried harping on those pics. They were PRIOR to transplant into 5 gal RDWC buckets.

AGAIN, go back to post #242 or can you not read? Those pics are from this month, at roughly 26 days in flower.

This is 36 days in flower, the only pics I've taken since, 5 days ago. Sorry the quality of the pics isnt great.

Edit: I've never dodged a damn thing you've said. Yet I see you rarely if ever responding to any challenges to your ignorant thinking. Please, go back to my last post and respond to EVERY statement!

 

[siftedunity]

Those were clones from over a fucking year ago you retarded dipshit. It's the SECOND TIME you've tried harping on those pics. They were PRIOR to transplant into 5 gal RDWC buckets.

AGAIN, go back to post #242 or can you not read? Those pics are from this month, at roughly 26 days in flower.

This is 36 days in flower, the only pics I've taken since, 5 days ago. Sorry the quality of the pics isnt great.

Edit: I've never dodged a damn thing you've said. Yet I see you rarely if ever responding to any challenges to your ignorant thinking. Please, go back to my last post and respond to EVERY statement!

what strain is that?

 

[Bassy59]

what strain is that?

In the pics of post #287 it's Master Kush in foreground, Martian Kush in background. An error on my part forced me to mix strains which I never do.

Have four Kosher Kush in first true nodes going for next grow, Then Holy Grail Kush after that lined up.

 

[Sodium Sunburn]

I have been running a few strains for a while now.

I have found that some strains respond well to defoliation and others do not..

I run a WIFI cut that responds VERY well to removing the lower bud sites (NOT full on lollipoping) and also removing all of the major fan leaves (along the main stem).

When done right, I get rock solid white OG nugs from top to bottom. Versus when I do not defoliate, I end up with a ton of larf.

It's something that I think you can't just go ham on a plant, you have to get to know it well (after a few grows) and then you get a feel for what it can take and what it likes.

 

[willyweed]

I have been running a few strains for a while now.

I have found that some strains respond well to defoliation and others do not..

I run a WIFI cut that responds VERY well to removing the lower bud sites (NOT full on lollipoping) and also removing all of the major fan leaves (along the main stem).

When done right, I get rock solid white OG nugs from top to bottom. Versus when I do not defoliate, I end up with a ton of larf.

It's something that I think you can't just go ham on a plant, you have to get to know it well (after a few grows) and then you get a feel for what it can take and what it likes.

wise words from somebody so new ! and not trying to force it down people's throats either .well done you will go far if you chose

 

[willyweed]

dr fever have read you thread ,and will have some questions for you later if you are around !
wow what a grow.you managed to get 4.75pounds from 2k. from pure power,no wait ppp plant,no pure power plant you claim that they are finished after how long ?well this seems to be a bit of a mystery to me !.where did you get the seeds from nirvana says 8-9 weeks 54-63 days and your were 48-53( as your post nov9).must have got lucky ? on the 29 july2012 you said you were half way 32 days ,your words .64 being 9 weeks ,works fine for me.but wait 30 days later 28 august 2012 you have all of your bud cut down and dried for 5 days taking 2.5 3 hours per plant to hand trim 1700 g wet weight average, taking 10 hours total to trim? now i am just wondering should that of been 15 hours by hand or more, or do you use the 2 hand system.you did not make one post or any pictures for 21 days from the 7 august 2012 until the 28 august by which time you had it all wrapped up.when replying to dhf you said everybody saw your pictures ,which was true except form 7aug for 21 days ,thats where the magic must of happened ?.then through sep/oct plant count went up and down a bit along with your estimates .strarting a 6 pounds 3 sept 7-8 pounds 10 sept.25 oct 10 plants 26 oct 12 plants and a guess of 7.25. 3 days later you revised(guessed again)29 oct 9 pounds.do you drink a lot? then at second harvest you bag up 3.5 pounds and guess that there is another 3.5 on the screens which still has to dry for a couple of days.some guesser you are.you were nearly spot on !also it took you 216 hours of drying to give a final weight compared to 105 hours on your first grow.so i guess there may be some editing going on to straighten this out at a later date .nice pics shame about the numbers unless you are weighing in troy pounds .one other thing.if you had of listened to tribal seeds on the 18 sept 2012.why don't you try reading the thread before slagging it off.we may have all been a lot happier.wise words tribal seeds shame they fell on deaf ears

 

[siftedunity]

dr fever have read you thread ,and will have some questions for you later if you are around !
wow what a grow.you managed to get 4.75pounds from 2k. from pure power,no wait ppp plant,no pure power plant you claim that they are finished after how long ?well this seems to be a bit of a mystery to me !.where did you get the seeds from nirvana says 8-9 weeks 54-63 days and your were 48-53( as your post nov9).must have got lucky ? on the 29 july2012 you said you were half way 32 days ,your words .64 being 9 weeks ,works fine for me.but wait 30 days later 28 august 2012 you have all of your bud cut down and dried for 5 days taking 2.5 3 hours per plant to hand trim 1700 g wet weight average, taking 10 hours total to trim? now i am just wondering should that of been 15 hours by hand or more, or do you use the 2 hand system.you did not make one post or any pictures for 21 days from the 7 august 2012 until the 28 august by which time you had it all wrapped up.when replying to dhf you said everybody saw your pictures ,which was true except form 7aug for 21 days ,thats where the magic must of happened ?.then through sep/oct plant count went up and down a bit along with your estimates .strarting a 6 pounds 3 sept 7-8 pounds 10 sept.25 oct 10 plants 26 oct 12 plants and a guess of 7.25. 3 days later you revised(guessed again)29 oct 9 pounds.do you drink a lot? then at second harvest you bag up 3.5 pounds and guess that there is another 3.5 on the screens which still has to dry for a couple of days.some guesser you are.you were nearly spot on !also it took you 216 hours of drying to give a final weight compared to 105 hours on your first grow.so i guess there may be some editing going on to straighten this out at a later date .nice pics shame about the numbers unless you are weighing in troy pounds .one other thing.if you had of listened to tribal seeds on the 18 sept 2012.why don't you try reading the thread before slagging it off.we may have all been a lot happier.wise words tribal seeds shame they fell on deaf ears

its really hard to read blocks of txt like that. paragraphs are alot easier...-no offence man.

hmm some interesting questions here.

 

[DrFever]

dr fever have read you thread ,and will have some questions for you later if you are around !
wow what a grow.you managed to get 4.75pounds from 2k. from pure power,no wait ppp plant,no pure power plant you claim that they are finished after how long ?well this seems to be a bit of a mystery to me !.where did you get the seeds from nirvana says 8-9 weeks 54-63 days and your were 48-53( as your post nov9).must have got lucky ? on the 29 july2012 you said you were half way 32 days ,your words .64 being 9 weeks ,works fine for me.but wait 30 days later 28 august 2012 you have all of your bud cut down and dried for 5 days taking 2.5 3 hours per plant to hand trim 1700 g wet weight average, taking 10 hours total to trim? now i am just wondering should that of been 15 hours by hand or more, or do you use the 2 hand system.you did not make one post or any pictures for 21 days from the 7 august 2012 until the 28 august by which time you had it all wrapped up.when replying to dhf you said everybody saw your pictures ,which was true except form 7aug for 21 days ,thats where the magic must of happened ?.then through sep/oct plant count went up and down a bit along with your estimates .strarting a 6 pounds 3 sept 7-8 pounds 10 sept.25 oct 10 plants 26 oct 12 plants and a guess of 7.25. 3 days later you revised(guessed again)29 oct 9 pounds.do you drink a lot? then at second harvest you bag up 3.5 pounds and guess that there is another 3.5 on the screens which still has to dry for a couple of days.some guesser you are.you were nearly spot on !also it took you 216 hours of drying to give a final weight compared to 105 hours on your first grow.so i guess there may be some editing going on to straighten this out at a later date .nice pics shame about the numbers unless you are weighing in troy pounds .one other thing.if you had of listened to tribal seeds on the 18 sept 2012.why don't you try reading the thread before slagging it off.we may have all been a lot happier.wise words tribal seeds shame they fell on deaf ears

LOL willy nice double post one in my thread and here your about 8 months behind in times yes i got 4.75 pounds of 2 k if i couldn't pull min 2 pounds off a 1 k the best i ever got is 1180 dry grams with A STRAIN GROWN OVER 3 YEARS non stop
it would out way costs and other stress factors more or less not be worth even doing.
My thread was literally updated daily with pictures but down fall is as you add pictures your storage gets full so off with the old ones and on with the new pictures yea understand ????
that grow was in heat of early spring and summer un dialed in room my next grow was a dialed in room c02 enhanced if you farted in the room it would detect it
Key to big yields and stressed by many....... is room dialing
hahahahahaha
know one ever really knows what there going to pull until its bagged we guess like some of my posts were just that a guess would of been nice to pull even more again to bad i had 2 mother plants that showed signs of def real early in flower phase effecting yield on them
pretty simple to come close to yield with a known strain and some years of growing and drying same strain .
you mention where did i get seeds from where i am from..... probably supplies USA with 25 percent of the weed imported ) so getting any strain out there is pretty simple make a phone call and in week or so i got a clone
This ppp plant can be chopped at 43 days if you like deciding on chop day is up to the grower . YES i chop 53 - 56 days usually turns out to be to my likings and to the purchasers. being its a hybrid strain it kicks ass
in your post you mention drying times lol yes depending on temps / RH and such dictates drying times , i prefer to slow dry so keeping temps in the 60's and when shes dry she is dry depending on bud sizes it varies yea understand ????

And the funniest thing you mention somewhere in that mumbling my first grow hahahaha, Son i have probably done grows when you were still breast feeding Grows that you couldn't even comprehend from min 2000 watts to 16,000 total watts used for a grow again something probably out of your league.
you know if you would of followed that thread you would of learnt a thing or two i guarantee you that.....
I decided to do a journal and show members how i can achieve decent yields with small plant counts from clone to harvest with training, and scrog style

Armin mentioned some proper way of defoilating and it starts in veg ??? first off where is there a book on this matter ???? i know there are books on pruning early spring or fall never is it mentioned to do during veg state or in beginning of bloom phase
there is no right way or anyway bottom line its not good period
in veg if you strip plants down and so many will say it gets more branching hell you can do the same thing with out stressing and slowing plant growth its called fimming / super cropping,
Now obviously bassy didn;t rape his plants cause if he did???? he be shocked with the out come tons of small buds not joined up etc i know as i defoiled a plant in flower here is my out come trimmed yesterday nice bud on my hand then defoiled as well look at the unjoined buds from defoiled plant compared to a untouched plant which was a smaller stem to compare with didn;t want to get trolled for putting upnicer buds against it lol

 

[siftedunity]

great post dr fever. nice comparisons

 

[willyweed]

where was the book on d.w.c ten years ago? there is a game that most of us play,it's called evolution ,but well done for proving that you never read the thread properly,if you had of you may of done it correctly !try one taking the leaves off in early veg and continuing through flower,not just taking leaves 2 weeks from the end which is what, 43 of 56 days.
it is not the strongest of the species or the most intelligent of the species that survives,it's the most adaptable. and just so you are sure on the subject .
d.w.c destroys soil for production ,like for like ,that's why most of the big guns on here use it,dont think i am slagging soil ,cause i am not, its great for some of the older fashioned growing and outdoor styles !

 

[siftedunity]

where was the book on d.w.c ten years ago? there is a game that most of us play,it's called evolution ,but well done for proving that you never read the thread properly,if you had of you may of done it correctly !try one taking the leaves off in early veg and continuing through flower,not just taking leaves 2 weeks from the end which is what, 43 of 56 days.
it is not the strongest of the species or the most intelligent of the species that survives,it's the most adaptable. and just so you are sure on the subject .
d.w.c destroys soil for production ,like for like ,that's why most of the big guns on here use it,dont think i am slagging soil ,cause i am not, its great for some of the older fashioned growing and outdoor styles !

so you defoliated slowly throughout veg and flower?

do you have a grow thread here?

 

[willyweed]

i do what works for me, my strain,my lights my medium,and my light restrictions, i take leaves buds,and even arms off ,my aim is to get more weed ie the most weed off one plant in certain size pots,i find it easier for my situation .also do some bending to get as many bud sites into the light at the same height,i also use the monster clone style because it works for me.no grow thread yet !

 

[DrFever]

Willy to be honest From its first known use in ancient times, hydroponics slowly developed into the large industry it is today. Dr. Gericke first used the name "hydroponics" in 1929, but the art of hydroponic gardening has been practiced by many cultures throughout history. Currently, nearly every country in the world uses hydroponic growing on some scale. you mention taking leafs off in day 43 - 56 sorry i took them at beginning of flower so your telling me now i fckt up by not taking them off in veg ???? bottom line buds don;t lie yes from defoiled plants all buds were small compared to untouched plant as well they were not as healthy as untouched plant here plants on chop day healthy ....
would you have a picture of one of yours on chop day ???? could you please explain to me how a plant transpires ptakes c02 and releases 02
Only thing your really doing is fcking around with the plants breathing capabilities either the plant is over heating or choking itself out
do you actually know what a stomata does and its purpose ????

Stomata are scattered throughout the epidermis of every leaf. Each stomata is protected by a pair of guard cells that open in response to heat and light, exposing the stomata to the outside atmosphere. When the stomata are exposed, carbon dioxide, oxygen, and water vapor can pass either in or out for photosynthesis, respiration, and transpiration to take place how important do you think this process really is to a plant ????

Transpiration is the process in which water evaporates from plants. It occurs during photosynthesis when the leaves' stomata are open for carbon dioxide and oxygen to pass through. This process is essential and it is the driving force that pulls water from the roots to bring materials up from the roots so that biosynthesis can occur within the leaf, to supply photosynthesis, and to cool the leaf. So, what factors affect plant transpiration?

 

[DrFever]

To understand what transpiration is and its importance to plants, we should also understand about photosynthesis, which we all know as the process by which plants make their food. In photosynthesis, the main instigating factor for food production to take place is the green coloring matter of plants known as chlorophyll. Its leaves will open up the tiny pores in order to absorb the beneficial effects of sunlight.

The union between chlorophyll and sunlight will create a need for carbon dioxide coming from the Earth’s atmosphere. But nature has a way of maintaining ecological balance because the atmosphere will give the plants the carbon dioxide it needs, only if the plant will trade off its oxygen in the process. In order to do this, the plant has to go through the process of transpiration.

So, what is transpiration? Transpiration is when water will be drawn out of the entire plant body so that the individual water molecules, hydrogen and oxygen will be released as water vapors on the surfaces of the plant’s leaves. Consequently, these vapors will enter the atmosphere and release the oxygen given off by the plant. The atmosphere on the other hand, will release the carbon dioxide that the plant needs to complete its photosynthesis or food production.
Get that giving plants NPK is going to make a difference out of your mind if you don't have the driving force of the plant you might as well pour the plant food down the drain