Northern Lights: info/pics wanted

[DryNobBob]

supposedly NL 5 f2's on the way, hehe. We'll see

 

[mazar_man]

Check out NLSeattleGreg's post at shanti's site bout NL origins. Sure sounds like the whole NL line started from 10 landrace afghan seeds crossed to different sativas to me.. He sure sounds like nevil's original NL source. Read lots of chimeras posts over the years and learned lots but gotta say blew some drink outa my nose reading that sam, rob clarke and demeijer should be the trusted authorities on the matter... Only reeferman could match the bs strain info these guys have floated over the years.

 

[joluvs2gro]

I'm growing some nl from seed and I can't see any sativa in it at all.

 

[joluvs2gro]

Here they go in my dwc at 28 days from seed

 

[joluvs2gro]

My babies are going strong. Still very indica and hoping they show sex soon. Switched them to 12/12 4 days ago. Will I be able to take clones once they show sex in 12/12?

 

[jessethestoner]

My babies are going strong. Still very indica and hoping they show sex soon. Switched them to 12/12 4 days ago. Will I be able to take clones once they show sex in 12/12?

yes, ive taken clones from smaller undeveloped branches on plants that were about 3 weeks into flowering.
there's no preflowers or anything?
why not take clones of each and just chuck whichever turn out male?

nice plants, they look like happy ladies hopefully

 

[joluvs2gro]

I like to take big clones, atleast a foot tall but that won't be happening with these stout little ladies. They could be happier, my ph was At 8 but they seem to have adjusted to it.

 

[joluvs2gro]

Tryin to see if I got a female, any input?

 

[FOE20]

Joluvs...it looks close to sexing but still on the edge...lil hard to tell yet...looks happy indeed tho

kewl to see folks just doin it....so lets rock this shit out...
(pics 1-3)cleaned up mom n flipped...
(pics 4-6)pulled out a day later...ready to do the work...next to a Heri to compare..I do run mine a bit dark but the formula I switch to is very low in N so its only storing it till I P-K hammer it..but mine are a bit deep in nutes atm as I run a very inert mix so its a must..
keep um rollin
FOE20

 

[pyratth]

A friend have a great NL since '96, from Sensi, here's some pics from a previous grow diary :

She's in bloom at home since few days, I'll pollinate her with Deadhead OG and Super Skunk males...

 

[sprinkl]

Check out NLSeattleGreg's post at shanti's site bout NL origins. Sure sounds like the whole NL line started from 10 landrace afghan seeds crossed to different sativas to me.. He sure sounds like nevil's original NL source. Read lots of chimeras posts over the years and learned lots but gotta say blew some drink outa my nose reading that sam, rob clarke and demeijer should be the trusted authorities on the matter... Only reeferman could match the bs strain info these guys have floated over the years.

I have trouble believing any big breeder. This is a million?billion? dollar industry. Money corrupts. Even the most flowerpowdery treefucking hippy can turn into a capitalist. Especially now it's about to go legal and multinationals are starting to see profit, all scruples disappear.
It's all makebelieve with more words and big talk than actual proof, pictures and straight information. Besides their diliberate misinformation, they could and probably have been misled by the hundreds or thousands of people they got their breeding material from.

That being said I find it hard to see how there are no sativa or thai genetics in NL. Look at skunk#1 which is 25% afghan and 75%mex/col. Granted, it has been bred towards afghan dominance. Still. Look at NL which is supposedly completely afghan? It doesn't match up, they're both in the hybrid department to me. NL is not a completely sleepy high like afghan is. The taste is sweet and not acrid armpit sweat. Leaves on some pheno's can be thin. The flowering time is long for a pure indica. The budclusters are way too long for an indica. Indica's don't produce cola's afaik, rather round nuggets. There's too much variation for it to be pure indica. etc
Despite the fact that a sativa/indica hybrid could be looking nearly pure indica by the F3, imo all strains are hybrids. Between pure indica and sativa there is a huge leap and the indica/sativa separation is vague enough by itself. It all came from the same family I believe most of the genetics are still there, it's just not expressed. In landrace indica strains there will be the odd individual expressing sativa traits and vice versa. If you take these strains out of their natural habitat they could morph very quickly into something nonrecognisable.
So whether or not it's been crossed with thai it's still a hybrid to me... Either because it originally was a sativa that showed its indica dominance in temperate climates or because it's been bred towards showing some sativa properties by homebreeders.
Still seeing as NL/haze is probably the most awesome cross ever, the thai recombining has to have some part in that imo...

 

[FOE20]

odd to say this now in this thread but....
Skunk has Thai in it.....heh...
made of Central and South America, Afghanistan and Thailand breeds...
Sk is more a Affi-Mexi/Lumbo-Thai...Mexi's n Lumbos are mixed Indo/sats..Thias are Sats..Affi is Indica...original Skunk is mixed to Sat dom ime...
where NL is dom by Indicas...

pyratth.....ya...thats proper
FOE20

 

[Easy7]

Pyratth! That is some dank Northern Lights!!! I wonder if sensi is still that good, people say no but I gotta try!

 

[Elmer Bud]

odd to say this now in this thread but....
Skunk has Thai in it.....heh...
made of Central and South America, Afghanistan and Thailand breeds...
Sk is more a Affi-Mexi/Lumbo-Thai...Mexi's n Lumbos are mixed Indo/sats..Thias are Sats..Affi is Indica...original Skunk is mixed to Sat dom ime...
where NL is dom by Indicas...

pyratth.....ya...thats proper
FOE20

Not according to the Skunk Man .

Affie / Mex / Columbian . Make up SK #1 . I don`t doubt Thai was mixed in by others further down the track . But Sk#1 aint got the Thai .
The NL was Affie x Hawaiian .That`s from the horses mouth . Your guess is as good as mine what the origins and lineage of that Hawaiian was .
I have said it before and I`ll repeat it.Years of selections, multiple times per year = Evolved Hybrid .

EB .

 

[FOE20]

sorry to be off topic folks...and I felt like most prob do when reading posts that contradict older info...its what it is tho...just bare with it, but it's up to the user to choose his own path as well..
hey Elmer...you know what I go off of?...what plants tell me mostly...
and allot of what I post about is the contradiction between the doc's or word of mouth vs the actual lines...
So not to argue bout Sams words...but heres a deep hybrid Skunk line..made by kind folk out of Co...but doesn't matter as what Ive seen most in Sk lines says different...
and orig Sk lines are ime ver Sat dom in forms..Buds can go both ways..and Im even showing 3 phenoms of a Sk#1 dom hybrid line...If it was Afghan heavy at all it would show much more..
SkunksNest = Sk#1/Sk#2 x Sk#1/SupSk...
SupSkunk = Sk#1 x Afghan...adding even more Sk#1..
and even on most doc's or details of skunk lines...

Skunk #1 Cannabis Sativa-dominant hybrid [ Oax/or Acapulco Gold x Columbian Gold, x Afghani]

Ive run Early Sk.Sup Skunk, MSS,
and what your talking does sound AfghanSkunk which is much more Indica mixed IME...just like the Sacred seed pkg...It had a skunk on it but was Labeled HinduKush Afghan...
I'd like to know what Sam sees in these skunks but still....to each his own...Im not talkin dutch skunk tho either..
now you want a good lookin AfghanSkunk?...try Giesel which is def MSS dom imo and even stacks like a proper Affi-Sk....but Im just a cat playin in the grass...
FOE20

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Foe

No point me arguing with you bro . My info is 3rd hand . Experience / hands on is more useful to me in real terms .
But it wasn`t that long ago I read Sam confirm the original Sk lineage . He said Affie / Mex F2d then crossed to a Colombian .
Like I said I don`t doubt it was crossed to Thai , NL , G13 , Hz and whatever the local boys were growin to beef up and shorten flowering times from there out .I can remember seed catalogues of the day where it has hard to find a non Sk hybrid .
The Skunks I`ve grown over the last 5 years are nothing like the ones I knew in the late 80s when I 1st encountered it here Down Unda .
I agree the Dutch version of Sk is a different creature to the old school Cali Sk . Just as the PNW cuts were moulded by Nevil and other seed makers in Amsterdam . Then later by Emery and his crew . They evolved into new strains of their own .

EB

 

[Raco]

But it wasn`t that long ago I read Sam confirm the original Sk lineage . He said Affie / Mex F2d then crossed to a Colombian .

Wrong!

he said Colombian/Mazar x Mazar/Colombian (squared) then crossed to Acapulco Gold.

Learn before you teach

 

[Elmer Bud]

Wrong!

he said Colombian/Mazar x Mazar/Colombian (squared) then crossed to Acapulco Gold.

Learn before you teach

Thank you Raco .

Mazar, but then crossed with a Columbian, then selfed, then the hybrid crossed with Acapulco Gold to make it a bit earlier.

Sam Sk Man
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1528952&postcount=163

I didn`t see the part about the reversed parents or the squaring I read selfed not squared . I understand when Sam says selfed he means inbred . or what most term an F2 .

He said Affie / Mex F2d then crossed to a Colombian .

Yes I had the puzzle back to front forgive me .

I Did consider spending the time to search for the quote .
The details were a lil superfluous to my argument really .So I didn`t spend the time to recheck what I had read over a year ago in a thread I didn`t book mark .

My point I was making to Foe 20 was there was no Thai in the Skunk .
I had learnt that it had no Thai from the quote you requoted .[ edit Your quote is different to what I read ?? ]
What was crossed to what at what gen detail . Is of less importance than miss information about the actual parent stock in my mind . ie Thai is a way different plant than the other three .

I do learn before I teach . Ask my students

EB .

 

[Professor77]

Hey All, Hey Mr Elmer Bud you are 100% on point and correct to my understanding.

Hey Mr Raco, you clearly need some experience and learnin in this area as well as in manners - "Learn before you teach" - come the fk on - I have had my fill of the "You are wrong" syndrome from posters in canna forums and this is a prime example - chill mate - we are in this together and we are all, hopefully, lifelong learners!

Be Good, Prof77

edit: corrected user ids

 

[Raco]

Sorry if I was rude

I only wanted to correct your error

Almost correct, (Colombian x Mazar) x (Mazar x Colombian) and the result (Colombian/MazarXMazar/Colombian)square x Acapulco gold.

-SamS