The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Aeroguerilla]

keep it simple stupid only way to be. promix worm casting and espoma garden tone is all i use with great results. never tried coco in any of my mixes but i would save the coco for inside where you have more control

 

[GoldCountryGuy]

GoldCountryGuy: Dude,where'd the animosity and negativity come from in the last two posts?
I prefer peat to coco for a few reasons. However coco is a lot more affordable than peat. When mixing or buying a lot of soil,adding some coco to the base can help keep things economical. The price of peat goes up every year as does coco,but peat is substantially more expensive.

Indoors i've def seen people kill it getting 2.25 per light with coco,same with soil. I def appreciate the simplicity of coco indoors.

Let's keep it respectful and not insulting,

Peace..

Probably because I've gave organicbuds advice several times and he either refuses to use it or attempts to argue with it.

Maybe, its because I'm realistic and instead of feeding the foolish beast, I often find what you would consider an insult, a lead to do a quick search and figure it out.

Sorry, I dont hold this false sense of reality and am not all rainbows and butterflies, I'm trying to help and I have. Organicbuds can testify to that.

Adding info of how coco would do indoor is irrelevant. The fact that its a fraction cheaper is what you bring to the table for discussion? I thought we were trying to do the best job opposed to cutting corners? I would assume and hope anyone addressing this thread would already know that and find it a foolish corner to cut, no matter the amount being purchased.

BTW instead of questioning me, maybe you should get back to me via PM like you said you would after thanksgiving. I'd advise remembering favors done for you instead of being so caught up with always being "busy".

OrganicBuds I got your PM and will explain my take on it.

To the rest of you, enjoy the great parts of this thread and later this week I'll try to add some information to this library.

 

[theJointedOne]

Big Plants kick ass

 

[Veg N Out]

It sucks to have this thread cluttered with incorrect info, arguing, and random banter not related to big plants, organicbuds, youre consistent ly arguing points that are just plain wrong..please just do what you want in your own yard, but since youre still figuring it out, please rrfrain from posting advice like its tested theory and works,

WTF man? CEC isn't an important part of outdoor growing? You talk of bogging down the thread yet you post two pointless posts?

Anyway, this link states that the CEC of the average coco tested in these tests are 75-186
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11991072

This link shows the average cec of peat being 100-200
http://www.extension.uidaho.edu/nursery/Landscape problems/Substrate/CEC and CN ratio.PDF


Seems pretty close to me? Does that little extra cec value make a big difference? What is a small variance in cec? What is a large variance?

In this study it shows that vermiculite also has a similar cec?

I know you guys know your shit, I am trying to learn my shit as well. Thanks to everybody that actually helps the guy in need.







Wow, 150-250 cec. That is the highest in the 20 studies I looked at. Not bad at all.






One last thing..... I can't find exact values, but every study I find shows EWC has a higher cec than compost. Does that mean everybody should be using EWC, and anybody that is using compost is missing out? Just like anybody using coco doesn't even know the first thing about gardening? Are other factors at play? If so, what are they and what makes compost better than EWC, peat better than coco ect. (other than cec)

 

[iamoregone]

fatherearth thanks for the link i've been checking them out. any other places? my buddy said theres a place in talent i think but cant remember the name. i cant pm ya yet. ruch area here

 

[FatherEarth]

fatherearth thanks for the link i've been checking them out. any other places? my buddy said theres a place in talent i think but cant remember the name. i cant pm ya yet. ruch area here

You wanna know how I found that place? Google+Maps


Seriously... keywords: Organic Soil

 

[iamoregone]

thanks thats the only one that came up on google for me. thought you had local knowledge to drop on me, im new to the area but not ic

 

[warthog]

organicbuds- think of EWC as the best type of compost there is, because thats pretty much exactly what it is. So in short, everyone should be using casting yes. But i believe everyone should also be using compost. Compost contains lots of nutes and trace minerals, but more importantly for me, is it gives the soil body and density. also the whole CEC thing is probably the least of your worries..

 

[SeaMaiden]

Adding info of how coco would do indoor is irrelevant. The fact that its a fraction cheaper is what you bring to the table for discussion? I thought we were trying to do the best job opposed to cutting corners? I would assume and hope anyone addressing this thread would already know that and find it a foolish corner to cut, no matter the amount being purchased.

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To the rest of you, enjoy the great parts of this thread and later this week I'll try to add some information to this library.

I'm curious about this, too. The thing is, I still can't get my head fully wrapped around using coir or peat (ANY bagged soil) for very large grows, there's gotta be a better and less expensive way to do whatever it is folks are trying to accomplish by adding these products to their mix. I could have sworn, for example, that clay usually has a high CEC. (No one's talking about AEC here, oddly enough. Maybe we haven't gotten the memo.)

I won't say I'm killing it in terms of yield, but I feel that few could find an easier or cheaper way to grow than my methods, and should get results that will last you through to next year, easily. I haven't broken my back or knackered my knees doing it this way, whereas using more intensive methods sure in hell *do*.

 

[GanjaRebelSeeds]

This thread can be so serious. I sometimes like to get blazed and read ic mag all stoned and post my thoughts from time to time. My posts definitely make less sense sometimes late at night,but I'm always friendly.
Growing weed is supposed to be fun,always remember that part guys.

 

[Veg N Out]

Cec and aec are important but neither will be available with out healthy biology

 

[warthog]

I'm curious about this, too. The thing is, I still can't get my head fully wrapped around using coir or peat (ANY bagged soil) for very large grows, there's gotta be a better and less expensive way to do whatever it is folks are trying to accomplish by adding these products to their mix. I could have sworn, for example, that clay usually has a high CEC. (No one's talking about AEC here, oddly enough. Maybe we haven't gotten the memo.)

I won't say I'm killing it in terms of yield, but I feel that few could find an easier or cheaper way to grow than my methods, and should get results that will last you through to next year, easily. I haven't broken my back or knackered my knees doing it this way, whereas using more intensive methods sure in hell *do*.

Using peat or coir is used for aeration in the soil. Sure clay may have higher CEC but it is dense as hell and roots will have a harder time squirming through clay than peat or coir.

 

[hooddro]

Why is everybody hatin on the coco? Damn all the mixes in my area have coco. Even the Zen Blend and Gias Gift over at GoodEarth has coco in the mix... So how can it be so detrimental? Are there any good reasons why it would not lighten the soil and improve aeration? If the ph and ec levels are fine what is the problem? Why on earth would it be included most mix's?

http://thegoodearthorganics.com/

PM me if you need more sources..

Be careful over there... There are mixed opinions and ive heard numerous horrer stories. Your bitches might get that burn

 

[FatherEarth]

Why is everybody hatin on the coco? Damn all the mixes in my area have coco. Even the Zen Blend and Gias Gift over at GoodEarth has coco in the mix... So how can it be so detrimental? Are there any good reasons why it would not lighten the soil and improve aeration? If the ph and ec levels are fine what is the problem? Why on earth would it be included most mix's?

Be careful over there... There are mixed opinions and ive heard numerous horrer stories. Your bitches might get that burn

iamoregone

Well then, maybe you are better off with that recipe you posted earlier?
I dont buy premixes nor would I ever. you asked for sources...
Personally if I had to face no good sources I would drive to PDX and go to Concentrates grab all the amendments I needed take em back south and then only have to source compost, perlite and Earthworm castings.Save a bundle that way. Rent a bobcat, get busy. Those premixes are taxed, and if this guy has heard "horror stories', thats good enough for me, Id say no bueno. Safer to mix your own, cant blame anyone but you if you ' burn the fort down'. Do your homework and stay on point.


hooddro
Nobody is 'hatin' on coco, everything has its applications. For me coco belongs in a reptile cage, or as a casing for fruiting mushrooms. So do you understand cation exchange capacity? Seems like you may be missing something here... Maybe you need some links to some reading material? PMs are always welcome. Ive got a giant library of PDF's on all this stuff. Hit me up.
Thanks for the heads up on the GoodEarth.


FE

 

[Veg N Out]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5618025&postcount=6352

A little reading goes a long way, even posted in this thread for peats sake... hehe

 

[YosemiteSam]

I personally hate coco at least a little bit. Pisses me off that I got fooled into using it for a few years before I knew better. Sometimes I wish people would say exactly what they think regardless of feelings.

Booty hurt but with a better grow ain't all that bad

 

[iamoregone]

fatherearth thanks for the solid advice! i havent posted any recipes though?

 

[GoldCountryGuy]

I personally hate coco at least a little bit. Pisses me off that I got fooled into using it for a few years before I knew better. Sometimes I wish people would say exactly what they think regardless of feelings.

Booty hurt but with a better grow ain't all that bad

Someone that understands me? whoa

So, what is everyone using to cover crop your mounds.

I noticed about an hour after sunrise when walking around barefoot how the areas with clover were much more warmed up than straight black dirt. That made me think, as silly and simple as it sounds.

I mention and bring this to topic because I often see new and seasoned growers jumping the gun on planting to get that "big/giant/biggest/etc" plant. It has become quite obvious to me that setting plants out early is no more than a hassle.

That being said, we are attempting to do a light dep where we will be setting plants out in early april. This not only requires additional heat, but requires a little thought to properly (imo) manage the situation.

I have ordered several different seed mixes this week in order to not only cut down on my heating (whether it be electric or propane) by properly letting a living mulch take hold on my native soil and for that matter the mounds that are established and being established as I type.

For anyone interested, I'm focusing on three different blends. A winter cover crop that will go over all the freshly terraced soil to get the biology back in order, or an attempt to do so. The other two blends would be called, by me, a "beneficial bug blend" and a "beneficial wasp/bee blend". I think the name speaks for itself and my goals are pretty obvious. If anyone wants me to elaborate or source you to the blends I'm using then ask away.


Anyway, for those who don't know me or are new I have a lot to share and learn. I do however, have a low tolerance for bullshit. I love growing cannabis outside. So let's stay on topic *myself included and do this the best that we possibly can.

I'll add more that seems relevant as much as I can, I thought I'd just live this tid bit for now to job memories and introduce an often neglected idea.

Now lets do this.

 

[JackCough]

Here ya go FE and anyone else that needs this service in the future.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Organic+soil

 

[Aeroguerilla]

hey so i got a bunch of 200gals frozen from last year... by spring do you think they will be broken down enough to reuse? or should i just start fresh? can always use the old shit for the veggie garden. curious what you dudes are doing with all your left over soil?