what strains are still the same after 10+ years?

[THE PABLOS]

I don't know why people think all the he she's and inbreeding is good and leads to better genetics, outside of it naturally occurring or as a desperate last reaction to save a clone or strain that would otherwise be lost.
. I'm happy I really got into breeding at a point I was reviewing biology to go back to school, just simple highschool biology seems like a class a lot of "breeders" would fail.

Do you breed?

 

[Rainman]

Femmed seeds dont harm your gene pool and infact can help it.

 

[chefboy6969]

Femmed seeds dont harm your gene pool and infact can help it.

REALLY? how so, please enlighten me...How do fem'ed seeds HELP the marijuana gene pool?

peace
Chefboy

 

[Rainman]

Uhm.... Stabilizing traits, increasing vigor in old clones, saving genetics that could be lost otherwise. What about just as a back up of genes(clones) that can be frozen and worked later? Enlightened yet?

 

[Harvest Time]

about the mexibrick seeds...

thats true...my bro grew out a seed from an 80$ oz of mids and got a beautiful thirteen finger fan leaved deep black leave and stem deisel smelling beauty...damn.. wish he had cloned it...amazing smoke..

 

[Rainman]

The selfing or use of femmed seeds will give you more variation than you would need to select further generations. From stock that you work from there, you could select for whatever you deem the best traits and breed to those. How does that not help also? Are you still one of those concerned with bottlenecking the genetic line by doing so? If so you are worried about it uneccessarily.

 

[chefboy6969]

Are you still one of those concerned with bottlenecking the genetic line by doing so? If so you are worried about it uneccessarily.

YES and if you want to preserve something you do not self or fem
....I believe nature intended marijuana to have both sexes male and female...and how you preserve the genetic gene pool is by back crossing to itself...selfing and femming..IMHO...is not good for the PRESERVATION of the plant we love...BUT that's my opinion...

peace
Chefboy

 

[rasputin]

REALLY? how so, please enlighten me...How do fem'ed seeds HELP the marijuana gene pool?

peace
Chefboy

How exactly do they harm it?

 

[jm420]

also the trick is too invest time and a networking...and you can find killer genetics...

I personally can't wait until i can have a proper grow...when I do..I am gonna start about 1,000 seeds that my dad gave me...from the days when my mom and dad smoked..

I am hoping to find some killer smoke from back in the 80's....the old school skunky, candy, sticky icky green...that doesn't exist anymore

peace
Chefboy

ive been on the hunt for that early 80's smoke forever

 

[Rainman]

Your response actually furthers my arguement. Nature itself uses the trait to preserve the genetics when no males have pollinated a flower in the wild. This occurs naturally and is found easily in plants like the thai's. Selfing/femming does bottleneck the gentics when pollen is used on the same clone it came from but it does not have a higher tendancy to herm does it? And so wouldnt you be preserving a selected gene pool more so by selfing a plant to itself than bxing it?

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Personally I'd rather have an S1 then a BX.

With an S1 you are just working with the genetics of the female you are looking to preserve, with a BX now you have a whole other set of genetics to weed out to find something accurate to the female you were looking to preserve.

I don't really like the idea of just selfing hyped up clones to fill a markets demand and line your pockets, but if you are selfing for your own personal preservation I see nothing wrong with it.

Also with BX'ing the results are far more dependent on the person doing the selections and their eye for finding the accurate and desirable traits in the male.

 

[jessethestoner]

Do you breed?

Not really I pollen chuck males and females and do open pollinations on a few things but I wouldn't call it breeding, I've just crossed some things. Maybe 20 crosses... and a few generations to stabilize after that.
I've recently started studying cannabis genetics but I'm lazy and have only just started.

 

[Mustafunk]

How exactly do they harm it?

Helping standard seeds (and males) to disappear and get forgotten until the point that some novice growers nowadays don't even know how to recognize them, not to talk about use them to produce seeds and save money!

And as everybody can already see, the genepool is tighter every time so less growers will have access to males from their favourite genetics to preserve strains or even play around crossing them with their favourite plants.

Nowadays it's hard to find standard seeds from some lines but in a not so distant future, it will be impossible even to find males from common lines as Skunk, Kush, etc... as most seedbanks will offer feminised only. This is already forcing real breeders to offer feminised seeds and pay less attention to their projects with other lines and standard works, only chased by the passionated growers and breeders aficionados.

Back to the topic... probably just few lines will be the same nowadays after 10 years, only those from real breeders who keep their P1 stocks in clones and still offer true F1s.

Obvioulsy, clone only strains too!

 

[strass]

Shanti has one of the most epic breeding facilities I have ever seen.

Please explain.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

What we buy, grow, breed and preserve today IS going to be what we are working with 10 years from now.

If you don't like where things are headed you have to actively take steps to change things and not rely on seed companies of the future to provide you with what you are looking for.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Please explain.

Youtube "who is Scott Blakey"

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I like to think lines should improve over breeding generations.

Staying the same isn't very fun.

I do miss the RKS though.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Males are over rated for breeding imo...and probably.."true" males are pretty hard to find? Only people have decided intersex in cannabis is a bad thing. Nature doesn't think so.

I don't see them hurting the gene pool at all. Crazy talk. Males won't disappear either.

 

[jessethestoner]

Uhm.... Stabilizing traits, increasing vigor in old clones, saving genetics that could be lost otherwise. What about just as a back up of genes(clones) that can be frozen and worked later? Enlightened yet?

It doesn't stabilize anything until a few generations away and it does lower vigor. You'll never have a plant that's the same as the clone it came from in, its simple genetic recombination.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Not really I pollen chuck males and females and do open pollinations on a few things but I wouldn't call it breeding, I've just crossed some things. Maybe 20 crosses... and a few generations to stabilize after that.
I've recently started studying cannabis genetics but I'm lazy and have only just started.

Sounds like breeding to me. How is what you are doing any different than what the "old pros" were doing? Breeding is the deliberate act of spreading pollen....nothing much more.