NPK and ACT help me clear up the myth?

[Sinkyone]

I have yet to see anything but positive results with ACT and I've used it in a lot of different soils and mediums and locations and recipes over the years. If it is properly made I really doubt it can fuck up the established food web - if anything it should enhance it. Now if it's not well made, that could be a different story. I suppose it's possible you could culture some sort of pathogen in badly made ACT which in turn might disrupt things....

 

[moses wellfleet]

this thread has made me realize i need to do some reading!

 

[3gunpete]

I'd rather listen to a great in the pocket groove of a master musician that plays from feeling as opposed to some technicaly correct over zealous musical composition.

For me it's art vs scienc. and sometimes a counter intuitive cohesion of the two that works.

MicrobManiac!! It seems you have taken on this very particular field as your life's goal of some kind. On a mission?? I can't help but wonder if perhaps things from within your real micro and macro life project the constant need for authority, conviction and grandeur.
Always appreciate the info. But never the snarky passive aggresive nature of your bravado.
But I'm sure you won't bother reading my poorly written waste of time anyhow.
I'll clear the floor for your excellence. I should never speak my mind master microbe, I get it.. And you should perhaps relax yours. Imagine a day in your life not dominated by the constant need for intellectuall superiority, And ego coddling.

 

[3gunpete]

Mosses, reading = good. Especially if you don't let it go to your head. However, we kno that not an issue for you.
History changes everyday. And knowledge and understanding should be perpetual but are not.
Live and love. No one holds the key.

 

[Microbeman]

I'd rather listen to a great in the pocket groove of a master musician that plays from feeling as opposed to some technicaly correct over zealous musical composition.

For me it's art vs scienc. and sometimes a counter intuitive cohesion of the two that works.

MicrobManiac!! It seems you have taken on this very particular field as your life's goal of some kind. On a mission?? I can't help but wonder if perhaps things from within your real micro and macro life project the constant need for authority, conviction and grandeur.
Always appreciate the info. But never the snarky passive aggresive nature of your bravado.
But I'm sure you won't bother reading my poorly written waste of time anyhow.
I'll clear the floor for your excellence. I should never speak my mind master microbe, I get it.. And you should perhaps relax yours. Imagine a day in your life not dominated by the constant need for intellectuall superiority, And ego coddling.

Well said. Capitals, punctuation. Way to go!

 

[Scrappy4]

Mosses, reading = good. Especially if you don't let it go to your head.

ROTFLMAO thanks for that insight!!!

 

[al-k-mist]

But back on topic...
I have noticed that with freshly mixed(and let cook for a few weeks) soil (ive not yet recycled, since we been moving), I always get better results using aacts. This time it was coots recipe, and ive noticed no deficiencies, except when they were allowed to dry out when i was away...but still noticed more growth in the 72 hrs after application, compared to the rest of the time.
Now, i am not even close to an expert..ive tried this several different ways, but it was always one thing or another(especially because i was SOOOO stupid as to have believed i was supposed to let the soil dry out between watering...wonder how much that wasted over the years?)
Anyways, i am interested to hear other perspectives, or maybe what else we can do.
I understand that the older the soil is, (ones we make), then the more microbial population, in their heirarchy, and that freshly made soil, is A) only as good as what is mixed into it. and B) never going to be as good as one used over and over
heres a question, what can be planted(other than the worms) after harvest, that will keep the microherd in their bartering mode and belly-full, that can itsself be harvested?
thanks

 

[W89]

alfalfa, beans or peas

 

[3gunpete]

I've also heard of un bleached organic rice being used for that purpose(micro food)However the pros can probably confirm or debunk that one as well.

I now use alfalfa meal instead

 

[3gunpete]

I sincerely hope that my request doesn't rub anyone the wrong way.
But, does anyone have actuall pictures of ALL stages of plant growth and flowering where as they or you have used only ACT and no nutrients/ ammendments.
This is in regards to the original thread post by Moses..

I want to believe that this is true. It sounds great and makes sence. But if ou can grow crops from 100% act throughout plant life, garuntee a full harvest AND maintaine the same soil for ever with no drop off... Shouldn't this be saving the world? Why do highly educated farmers some with vast degrees not use this more?
I'm just a bit hesitant to believe that act alone can do everything. But maybe that's why it hasn't been the answers to all my growing concerns. Perhaps I'm missing something, wouldn't surprise me. I'm a slow learner. Prone to making mistakes.
I really do appreciate the information and time taken/patients.

Cheers!!

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I sincerely hope that my request doesn't rub anyone the wrong way.
But, does anyone have actuall pictures of ALL stages of plant growth and flowering where as they or you have used only ACT and no nutrients/ ammendments.
This is in regards to the original thread post by Moses..

I want to believe that this is true. It sounds great and makes sence. But if ou can grow crops from 100% act throughout plant life, garuntee a full harvest AND maintaine the same soil for ever with no drop off... Shouldn't this be saving the world? Why do highly educated farmers some with vast degrees not use this more?
I'm just a bit hesitant to believe that act alone can do everything. But maybe that's why it hasn't been the answers to all my growing concerns. Perhaps I'm missing something, wouldn't surprise me. I'm a slow learner. Prone to making mistakes.
I really do appreciate the information and time taken/patients.

Cheers!!

Corporations.

 

[SeaMaiden]

But back on topic...
I have noticed that with freshly mixed(and let cook for a few weeks) soil (ive not yet recycled, since we been moving), I always get better results using aacts. This time it was coots recipe, and ive noticed no deficiencies, except when they were allowed to dry out when i was away...but still noticed more growth in the 72 hrs after application, compared to the rest of the time.
Now, i am not even close to an expert..ive tried this several different ways, but it was always one thing or another(especially because i was SOOOO stupid as to have believed i was supposed to let the soil dry out between watering...wonder how much that wasted over the years?)
Anyways, i am interested to hear other perspectives, or maybe what else we can do.
I understand that the older the soil is, (ones we make), then the more microbial population, in their heirarchy, and that freshly made soil, is A) only as good as what is mixed into it. and B) never going to be as good as one used over and over
heres a question, what can be planted(other than the worms) after harvest, that will keep the microherd in their bartering mode and belly-full, that can itsself be harvested?
thanks

Oh, all KINDS of things can be planted. One of my favorites, discovered last year through the Aussie section (can't recall if it was SilverSurferOG, but I'm attributing to him) is fenugreek. I get whole fenugreek from the health food store. The year before last I went through my cupboards with my granddaughter, just to see what I might have that may be in seed form. I actually wasn't sure about two things I have--fenugreek and annatto. Anyway, the fenugreek microgreens are quite tasty and are said to be very good for you. I haven't found anything using the resources at my disposal (USDA and other such), but they're tasty and can't be bad for you, right?

(Annatto is also known as the poor man's saffron, it's used heavily in Puerto Rican cookery. It grows into a rather huge bush, too big for me to convince my family members who live in the more temperate climates to plant some for me.)

They are incredibly hard seeds, but just put them to moist soil and watch 'em pop. The fenugreek greens are also quite tasty.

Other cover crops/green manures I have used/do use are clovers, mustards (again gleaned from the cupboard or local health food shop), amaranth, alfalfa, voluntary purple vetch, cumin, coriander... um... I'm forgetting a few others now, will have to get back to you on that.

If it's hot and sunny, the fenugreek will do just as coriander/cilantro does and will pretty much immediately bolt and set seed. Now you have the next crop's seed ready to go!

IIRC, you mentioned being situated on heavy clay soils. Mustard in particular is fantastic for breaking up those soils. I do believe, however, that mustards are one of those plant families that doesn't 'play' with mycorrhizae. I'll tell you this, though. I still use soil food web techniques and inoculate annually, and don't worry if ACT gets on the mustards and cole crops, and everything looks great. I visited my in-ground soil beds, the ones I've spent the past 3yrs building up. The bed used to be sloped into the hill*. Now? It's easily 6" higher than it originally was, and is just teeming/i] with life of all sorts.



*I did that on purpose, summers are HOT and can be very, very dry and that clay holds irrigation water well.

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

Corporations.

by the name of Monsanto.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

by the name of Monsanto

Don't forget Bayer Advanced (Better Science. Better Results.), Dow Chemical, Eli Lilly, etc.

 

[3gunpete]

Any time scrappy. Why not laugh a little. Was wondering if anyone was gonna get that.

I am aware of corporate might,interest groops, lobbyist, dirty politics and economic tricks, to name a few. But what exactly is Monsanto doing to stop farmers from using ACT?
I'm up for a good conspiracy, so don't hold back.

I'm aware of some of monsanto's grimey deeds but never new they could tell and control what farmers feed theyre crop. I must be missing something.

Bayer corp discovered heroin and coined the term. It was supposed to help with the morphine problem. Bitter sweet irony if you believe they wer in it for the good of the people. It's absolutely amazing what LIES just beneath the surface. Pun intended

 

[3gunpete]

AND let's not forget one of our first worst enemies from way back when we first got bent over by DUPONT.

 

[3gunpete]

Moses large ups every time. Any chance you got the answer of your threads question? I'm still wondering if peeps feel they are maxing out genetic potential using only ACT. Or even coming close.
I understand this symbiosis like process has been accruing long befor mans arrival and managed to sustain life. But does a plant capable of 7lbs using feed and greed style produce 7 lbs with act? Or is it a small compromise in yield while gaining a living natural type grow style that peeps are using?

 

[al-k-mist]

I actually have a thread called somethin like 'help me explain the chem vs organic debate better'
because my bro pulled many times what i did
granted, im somewhat new to the act and soil building
we shall see this year, as I may run 2 side by side...organics, and chem grown by the directions..that way all variables will be the same, even from same mom...
I do not lie in saying mine are 1-toke flowers, and stinking and all that...but his are huge and rock hard...maybe i have quite a lot to learn
but i still aint switching to chems

 

[ClackamasCootz]

A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing - Oscar Wilde

 

[Microbeman]

Moses large ups every time. Any chance you got the answer of your threads question? I'm still wondering if peeps feel they are maxing out genetic potential using only ACT. Or even coming close.
I understand this symbiosis like process has been accruing long befor mans arrival and managed to sustain life. But does a plant capable of 7lbs using feed and greed style produce 7 lbs with act? Or is it a small compromise in yield while gaining a living natural type grow style that peeps are using?

I'm hoping not to sound egoistic here but has anyone here actually suggested using ACT as a stand alone?