what strains are still the same after 10+ years?

[jessethestoner]

Ever since I started surfing the many canna forums a few years ago the one thing that I constantly saw was "oh such and such is still a great strain, but it lacks that sick funk or rancid odor it once had and is now quicker and better yieldng than it was, but it lacks the same cannabinoid profile.

Through the loss of mothers/fathers and blah blah blah, the most common thing i hear is nothings really as good as it once was, or if it is its not the same kind of quality or its been bred with more sativa than indica or vice versa.
The examples are many and the reasons varied but I'd like to know what are some of the strains out there that people would say is the same as more than a few years ago. It doesn't need to be a super potent high yielding quick finisher, just something that's as consistently the same as a decade ago and is likely to stay so. I'm going to do a big seed run in a new room and I'd like to get some old classics in their amongst all the new stuff. (Which is often just reworked classics)

I'm going to do my own tests with all the blueberry, black domina, original haze, white rhino and white russian strains I can find and I'd love any suggestions people have....

 

[chefboy6969]

NONE....or NOT MANY at all....

Here's the situation....15-20 years ago someone get some seeds...of a pure unadulterated F1 Hybrid...that the breeder made with his P1 original parental stock...the person gets the seeds plants 5 or 6 of them( ie..Sensi Skunk#1 , or AK-47 from Simon) a classic OK...the person finds 2 killer plants maybe one...keeps it grows it out...NOW if he has that exact plant from 15-20 years ago..then he's a lucky bastard and has hit the jackpot today...BUT ,most lose the plant...either die, busted, disease. whatever the case is...

Then he tries the rest of the seeds maybe they start maybe not...

So a couple of years have past now and he's like i love dthe AK-47...so he goes back and buys another pack....well this time...its not the same

BECAUSE the same thing that happned to him happened to simon or sensi or REz dog are who ever....the breeder lost the original parental stock....THEREFORE he can not reproduce the same product... because he does NOT HAVE THE SAME PARENTS

Does any of this make sense??

So to answer your question....NONE.....


peace
Chefboy

 

[jessethestoner]

I completely get that, I've only ever grown out friends crosses or gotten clones. Never bought from a seed maker or seedbank. For all the talk of breeders that goes on I was hoping there was a breeder who has sustained what theyve had for over a few generations to actually earn the title. Its sad I've found so little.

And I'm looking for a ibl line not a polyhybrid x another polyhybrifd f1 cross.

 

[bobman]

i love this question because its kind of funny non of the winners from the 90's are the same. whether its shanti, simon or whoever those guys hoarded the parents and lost them. but yet the chem and og cuts still float around and make great crosses. thank god people state side did not hoard the great cuts even though they were risking a lot more by doing so.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

I think the difference is with American clones they were just dank plants that were found and shared with friends. With these Dutch breeds the parents that these crosses were made of were the proprietary ingredients to commercial seed lines, you're less likely to share your secret ingredient if it's part of something you make your living off of. I also think that a lot of these old school dutch breeders were at one point in time raided and lost parental stock.

Aside from that, have you ever tried to maintain a mother or father for years on end? It's not as easy as it seems, I have special moms I've had for years, with every intention of keeping of keeping them long term, and still almost lost a few of them a few times from totally dumb unforseen reasons. shit happens.

 

[bobman]

it was a different time and place these guys were rock stars overnight. i would have done the same thing they did. but the truth is they let those genetics slip through there fingers one way or another. how many times have you heard this has the same mother or father as ssh or ak47. never. like i said its a different time and place and i doubt we will ever see that again. now arjan and shanti are argueing over plants that have been dead and gone for a while.

 

[bobman]

saw ur edit and i understand ur point but the chem line has been around for a while and dj's pollen has been used in a lot of crosses. its just the evolution of things. shame it happened.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

What is gonna be interesting is what shit might be like 10 years from now, most crosses that are thrown out on the market are one time pollen chucks, not like these old dutch lines that were house strains that made up the foundations of seed companies.

Today most are just out to capitalize on hype while a clone is hot, no intention of long life, if it's good run with it, if it sucks bury it.

Look at these guys today, dropping 50 strains a year and the next year 50 new ones. The Dutch and old breeders did a lot more actual breeding for stabilization of desirable traits, not like today when most are just chucking together herms, polyhybrids, unstable, and untested parentals.

 

[bobman]

understood. i think it will be better ten years from now. personally i had more consistant results from mark emory in the 90's than i have had today but i have had a very small sample size to compare. i just got verdant greens s1 bubba and 40 amps sat fuel and i am very excited. i think breeding is not rocket science it is more about control over the process.

 

[DIDM]

people are puffing on clones that are 30 years old


one plant has amazing potential when you think of it

 

[bobman]

the one thing that sucks and will be the next obstacle is how do we tell whats the real cut and and whats fake. chimera get ur ass to work please.

 

[MrSterling]

The trick is to not give a fuck about the name and just look for the qualities you want. Which is difficult. The name game is somewhat of an illusion, especially with polyhybrids and f1s created with only two parents as the starting point of a line. As said above IBLs *should* breed true for selected qualities, but there are breeders who fib, so educate yourself before you but, caveat emptor.

 

[chefboy6969]

also the trick is too invest time and a networking...and you can find killer genetics...

I personally can't wait until i can have a proper grow...when I do..I am gonna start about 1,000 seeds that my dad gave me...from the days when my mom and dad smoked..

I am hoping to find some killer smoke from back in the 80's....the old school skunky, candy, sticky icky green...that doesn't exist anymore

peace
Chefboy

 

[guerilllataktic]

check out tom hill deep chunk, orig haze, i doubt they ave changed much

 

[sallyforthDeleted member 75382]

I can say that the original haze from seedsman or The Flying Dutchman are the same strain and still grows and smokes the same....you do have to find the right pheno's though which you'll get with about 10-15 regular seeds.

ACE, Cannabiogen and Mandala are my breeders of choice for now. I'm hoarding their strains and have many in the fridge for future grows and hobby breeding.

 

[jessethestoner]

So far the original haze is the only thing someones listed. I'm getting some to hopefully give me a special unique buzz.

How long has tom hill been around? I've heard that toms first deep chunk f1s were better quality than what's available now. But that is just hearsay from a friend who did a big seed run a while back and was let down in a current run, the ok yielding super frosty buds werent as common. Saying that however I've got some deepchunk crosses that just ooze frost and finish nice and early.

 

[tosh.o]

Nev's Haze, SSH, SharkShock, etc. from MNS have never changed, its part of their history to keep stock alive and Shanti's has back ups of everything in 5 different countries...i don't know how many breeders have been that intelligent with their parent stock

 

[Rainman]

I have several cuts like my Purple Kush and ChemD that I have had over 10 years. With no changes, lapses, or accidents. Not all that uncommon or rare to do so.

 

[jessethestoner]

Too true I've got a few crosses I give out to almost anyone I know in real life. Not only do I want the credit and friends that come with being nice, I get to know my Lebanese sativas and home crosses will last outside my little circle and go to people completely unconnected to me, wholl pass it on and so forth.

In my area at least the guarded cuts are the big big quick yielders, theres a clone called green apple that produces huge buds of decent quality in something like 7 weeks and I'd have to trade either lots of cuts or lots of $$ to get. There not so many of these super knockout potent clones with a small yield, which Im fine with. Oh welll money, money, money... MONEY.

So ill add some mns seeds to the list, thank you

 

[jessethestoner]

I have several cuts like my Purple Kush and ChemD that I have had over 10 years. With no changes, lapses, or accidents. Not all that uncommon or rare to do so.

I mean strains you've grown out to f10 or something like that and had it stay the same. The results of either skilled breeding or leaving well enough alone.

I've seen clones that are 20 years old supposedly. For instance I've got a bc clone called rene that's well over a decade old. Keep them healthy and happy and you can keep cropping those clones for who knows how long.