Card carriers - a question about trust

[DryNobBob]

Ditto. Not for the same reason, but after yrs of being mmj legal, I don't think I will renew either. I'd just as soon move somewhere new and just stay underground, like the old days. I had much more fun, albeit with some nerves thrown in, but just take care of myself.

Yours is a sad tale of caution, Cabron, thank you for sharing - I wish you luck and send you prayers.

 

[OGShush]

I have to say having a card has saved my ass more than once already. I think if you have a good medical condition to back it up it's worth it. A few hundred dollars a year to be on an unsearchable list is a lot better than paying a few thousand dollars in fines and jail time to be on a searchable list for a felony. Mind the letter of the law and go out of your way to be as respectful as possible if you ever have your legality called into question.

My encounters with law enforcement have been uneventful. Half the time they don't even ask to see anything, they just want an explanation for why you're skunking up the block. Even the gruffest cop has been super nice when I pull my card out and explain. He radios it in and we make small talk until dispatch verifies it. It usually ends with a firm handshake and a "thanks for staying legal."

Even if your legality is called into question you have an affirmative defense, medical records, and case law to prove it 99% of the time prosecution offers possession charge with no jail time and a fine of less than $1000. Try getting that deal with a felony amount without a medical defense. Not having a medical marijuana card is like showing up to a gunfight with a pair of safety scissors.

For the record I also live in Michigan and the counties I've had my legality checked in were all conservative northern counties that have legally shut down their dispensaries.

 

[vertigo0007]

I have to say having a card has saved my ass more than once already. I think if you have a good medical condition to back it up it's worth it. A few hundred dollars a year to be on an unsearchable list is a lot better than paying a few thousand dollars in fines and jail time to be on a searchable list for a felony. Mind the letter of the law and go out of your way to be as respectful as possible if you ever have your legality called into question.

My encounters with law enforcement have been uneventful. Half the time they don't even ask to see anything, they just want an explanation for why you're skunking up the block. Even the gruffest cop has been super nice when I pull my card out and explain. He radios it in and we make small talk until dispatch verifies it. It usually ends with a firm handshake and a "thanks for staying legal."

Even if your legality is called into question you have an affirmative defense, medical records, and case law to prove it 99% of the time prosecution offers possession charge with no jail time and a fine of less than $1000. Try getting that deal with a felony amount without a medical defense. Not having a medical marijuana card is like showing up to a gunfight with a pair of safety scissors.

For the record I also live in Michigan and the counties I've had my legality checked in were all conservative northern counties that have legally shut down their dispensaries.

What a contradiction. You claim its an "unsearchable list" yet in the next oaragraph you speak of "the gruffiest of cops" calling in to verify your card via radio.

You do know that the entire point of having a department in a completely different state handle the card database was to give the feds unfettered access, right?

 

[vertigo0007]

Fucking ic mag and your stupid double posts!

 

[vertigo0007]

I realize that this may sound paranoid, but it seems to me that if law enforcement want to press the issue, they can then take aim on the easiest, biggest target, the people who have painted the big bulls-eye on themselves by registering.

It's also surprising to me that there are doctors willing to risk their practice by publicly "bucking the system", and stating that there may be medical value in cannabis. I admire you folks who have risked it all to be above-board, but I don't think I'd have that courage, should it ever become legal in my state.

Majority of mj certifying physicians DO NOT operate out of their respective offices. They either work out of a small room in a dispensary, a bar or a scuzzy office on daily rental. Even the doctors dont want shit to do with this system.... Other than the $100 a head.

 

[vertigo0007]

I can comment on this issue being the recipient of a long drawn out case which is just now winding down in MI.
I was totally compliant being a card holder,patient and caregiver .
All cards were up to date and completely legitimate but it didn't even matter in the end
the Judge still motioned to enter a jury trial with no MMJ defense to present to a jury .


This even after having all my DR's and patients testify on the stand and be scrutinized.

It's a circus ,and there is no justice in MI for you , there is no section 8 defense even
after fully qualifying .

The section 4 is worthless as well .

The main focus with prosecutors now in this state is to attack the legitimate patient
Doctor relationship .
This means you as a patient or caregiver better damn well be certain that you and your patients are 100% legitimate ,
and have an ongoing and periodical relationship with your prescribing physician.

I personally see mine every 3 months .

I will not be renewing my card as it didnt mean jack shit in court .
The Dr recommendation was what was scrutinized and as far as I'm concerned
signing up with the state is just giving your money away to a corrupt system that
will only suck every dime from you while ignoring every letter of the act that is there
to offer a protection .
I have my newly renewed letter from my Dr copied and hanging on my wall ,(renewed every 3 months) .
I have taken on new patients and they are debilitated with MS ,Neurological diseases, etc and in wheelchairs
,,,I love taking care of them and I'm moving to Washtenaw county where it's a much safer place with like
minded and intelligent people.


Being a medical patient and or caregiver doesn't mean you are protected ,,,I'm here to tell you
I am in debt now 15 grand in legal expenses and havn't even been sentenced yet ,having been forced to
take a possession of MJ misdemeanor plea after 2 years battling a corrupt system .


Can you imagine a possession of MJ charge while being fully carded and legal ..?

I can imagine it. Hell i can see it amd believe it! Youre right, this corrupt ass system is a joke. In court your card will literally be worth a tooth pick. And yeah, MOVE THE FUCK OUTTA THE STICKS!

 

[OGShush]

What a contradiction. You claim its an "unsearchable list" yet in the next oaragraph you speak of "the gruffiest of cops" calling in to verify your card via radio.

You do know that the entire point of having a department in a completely different state handle the card database was to give the feds unfettered access, right?

Sorry that was a poor choice of words on my part, I've been up all night. It's searchable only by patient number, not by name. I.E. they can't run a driver's license when you get pulled over and determine if you have a card or not. They call it in to dispatch and they radio back your 1) Full Name 2) Expiration 3) authorization to possess plants. I think the town I was from was mentioned as well.

The reason I describe the officer as "gruff" was because he was somewhat impatient/impolite to begin with. My small grow could be smelled from a block away (bad chemdawg) and the smell when I answered the door was overpowering. When I asked what the problem was he said "are you kidding me, it's making my eyes water. I hope you have a card." When I provided my card his demeanor softened and he verified it as I stated and told me to have a nice night. Two separate incidents at two separate residences in two separate counties.

I'm not sure what you mean about out of state departments, you'll have to be specific please. As far as the feds go, big whoop, a handful of plants isn't even worth a federal prosecutor's time as I wouldn't qualify for a single mandatory minimum. Go read some of the DEA memos regarding what they're looking for.

 

[OGShush]

Majority of mj certifying physicians DO NOT operate out of their respective offices. They either work out of a small room in a dispensary, a bar or a scuzzy office on daily rental. Even the doctors dont want shit to do with this system.... Other than the $100 a head.

Just out of curiosity you are aware of the case in which Dr. Bob testified? He hit a fucking Grand Slam. It's not so much about where you got the recommendation as the supporting documents from other physicians. I'm sure I won't convince you otherwise. It never ceases to surprise me that on a planet of 7 billion people some people are vain enough to believe a massive conspiracy surrounds their every move. Yes, it took us billions of dollars and over a decade to find Osama bin Laden but there is a list of everyone that's every smoked a joint right next to the Roswell files.

It's okay I'm probably wrong and the CIA is hiding in your septic tank using a device that translates the sound of keyboard clicks into sentences.

 

[Avinash.miles]

my mantra about "being on a list" because u are a patient is this:

there are 2 lists
if you grow or sell or use cannabis
you will end up on one of those lists....
one list is for patients
the other for criminals.

which would u rather be on?

here in co the patient list is sealed
unless there is a pre-existing investigation on you cops cant access the database... fed do what they want of course....

but at the state level, noone can access the patient database.... employers/civil services/cops noone..... unless there is a pre-existing investigation on you. give them no reason to look at you and they dont look at you...

 

[OGShush]

my mantra about "being on a list" because u are a patient is this:

there are 2 lists
if you grow or sell or use cannabis
you will end up on one of those lists....
one list is for patients
the other for criminals.

which would u rather be on?

Exactly. The MI supreme court ruled that you can't refuse to hear an affirmative defense if someone has a card. There is currently no favorable precedent of presenting an affirmative defense without a card. I'm 3/3 with police encounters and I have just as many friends that have spent $2 grand defending simple possession charges. These were the same people talking about "The List." Guess who's on a list now you jive turkey?

 

[vertigo0007]

Just out of curiosity you are aware of the case in which Dr. Bob testified? He hit a fucking Grand Slam. It's not so much about where you got the recommendation as the supporting documents from other physicians. I'm sure I won't convince you otherwise. It never ceases to surprise me that on a planet of 7 billion people some people are vain enough to believe a massive conspiracy surrounds their every move. Yes, it took us billions of dollars and over a decade to find Osama bin Laden but there is a list of everyone that's every smoked a joint right next to the Roswell files.

It's okay I'm probably wrong and the CIA is hiding in your septic tank using a device that translates the sound of keyboard clicks into sentences.

Nice try smart ass. I wasnt talking about you and your pittly ass numbers pal.

Where the fuck did you get osama, cia and roswell conspiracy theoriesfrom what i said?

Im talking about LARA. You know, the entity where your sacred card came from? Its from Indianapolis. The fedscame in stomping their feet demanding thelist when it was controlled by the state of mi. They threatened state employees w jail timeto try and get it. When they were refused access suddenly it wascontrolledby an entity w no allegence to our citizens. Then guess what? We never heard another peep about them wanting the list. Do you knowwhy? Becausethey got it. I dint think fir1 second that my name being on a listwill come back to haunt me.

Good luck with your blinders. And thank you for voting for obama. I do however realky enjoy your useof logical fallacies in your arguement.

 

[vertigo0007]

And dr booob, really? Whatare you an riu zealot? Hahahahhaahha

 

[Cabron]

Exactly. The MI supreme court ruled that you can't refuse to hear an affirmative defense if someone has a card. There is currently no favorable precedent of presenting an affirmative defense without a card. I'm 3/3 with police encounters and I have just as many friends that have spent $2 grand defending simple possession charges. These were the same people talking about "The List." Guess who's on a list now you jive turkey?

Bullshit !!!

I've been there got the T shirt pal !
Not sure what part of I was denied an affirmative defense you are not understanding ,all my DR's were legitimate as were my Patients ...all were scrutinized on the stand...
we all had up to date cards and fully registered .

You are talking out your ass and quite frankly your breath stinks

 

[Avinash.miles]

I dunno @ MI,
but in CO, if u r growing..... more than 6 plants....

it's better to have ur card than not, i've been in "raid" type situations where the proper paper work was (and wasnt) displayed....
very diff. views the beast had toward a place w. paperwork vs. w.o it...

just my exp.

 

[OGShush]

Nice try smart ass. I wasnt talking about you and your pittly ass numbers pal.

Where the fuck did you get osama, cia and roswell conspiracy theoriesfrom what i said?

Im talking about LARA. You know, the entity where your sacred card came from? Its from Indianapolis. The fedscame in stomping their feet demanding thelist when it was controlled by the state of mi. They threatened state employees w jail timeto try and get it. When they were refused access suddenly it wascontrolledby an entity w no allegence to our citizens. Then guess what? We never heard another peep about them wanting the list. Do you knowwhy? Becausethey got it. I dint think fir1 second that my name being on a listwill come back to haunt me.

Good luck with your blinders. And thank you for voting for obama. I do however realky enjoy your useof logical fallacies in your arguement.

Where did I get all the conspiracy shit from? It was obviously a jab at you being a paranoid old coot. Was it that hard to understand or do you just lack basic reading comprehension skills?

The checks get cashed in Indianapolis you dullard the Department is still in Lansing. Up until pretty recently you could even go get your paperwork stamped in person.

Man I'm not even going to bother arguing with you, you can't even type a single sentence without typos. Someone needs to take away your guns and wheel your ass away to the old folk's home.

What logical fallacy did I use? All I see are you using ad hominem attacks and acting like a paranoid whack job. You should change your username to Jimmy Lee Dykes

 

[Avinash.miles]

yall can we please keep this civil???

no need to flame each other, this place is for sharing info and exp.
what works for some doesnt for others.....

we just have lost some awesome members to trolling flames and egos..... Cabron, u r good peeps.... OGshush, set an example both yall, keep it civil, this is a good conversation to have, just have it correctly please pretty please.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Here in California the state ID card is voluntary. All a patient needs is a doctor's recommendation.

A doctor's REC- dont get ya much protection any more.
With just a rec you can grow for yourself only.
#of plants changing all the time it seems.

Carry small amounts and smoke in non public places..

If ya want to grow on others Recs- so as to increase your # of plants allowed. You need a state ID and be registered with the state. (Caregiver status)

If ya get pulled over for speeding and show Your stash and DR Rec- Chances are LEO will drag ya in for blood work and try ta nail you for DUI.

Lets say your house is broken into and cops come and see 6 ladies growing and a bag of seeds.
They can count each seed as a plant and nail you.

If ya over your count and show recs of others and you only have a rec. Your in trouble..

Ignorance is not a deffence... (LOE loves that chit)

That said... here in cali... ya have ta be a real smuck for LEO ta come at ya that hard... yet they can...

If ya go through the prossess and get a real state I'D (not a office one-DR Rec.) Chances are you will get a compliace visit at some point.

Once ya pass that visit. You feel legal as hell and are in the clear as long as your not stupid.

(Selling ta kids- throwing plants in ya yard- so on and so forth)


2cents...

Peace...

 

[oldchuck]

Stay paranoid. Safer that way.