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DaveTheNewbie
1 week to go, things are looking good. I think im really in with a chance to make the target 
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DaveTheNewbie
This works. My veg plants have been vegging. Unfortunately they are about a foot shorter than they should be after 4 weeks in the veg tent. I couldnt work out why that would be so short. Then i remembered this setting. Its all i can put it down to. So while this works, it doesnt grow as fast as 20/4 does.
Or at least thats my current theory.
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DaveTheNewbie
The cold hard truth
The cold hard truth
i cut down one of my 2 trees today.
wet weight just cut down is 1118g
for arguements sake divide it by 4 for drying purposes and its 280g
thats about half of the 450g i was aiming for.
all of you that said (or thought) that i couldnt grow 1gpw in that stupid heat were right. I can do it in winter, but not in summer.
As an aside (and not an excuse) i have never yielded well with this cut of agent orange. I shouldnt have created this thread with this strain. People told me it yields better than my querkle, but it never has for me. My 4 week old querkles already have bigger buds than my 8 week agent oranges do.
I will try this again in the cooler months and see if i can do better, and the other plant still needs to be cut down. on round about basic maths im looking at 20 ounces for the grow which is 2 plants and half of 3 x 600w lights. There are people out there that would love to score 20 ounces so i shouldnt feel too bad.
I will post the real dry final scores when its all done and dusted.
The cold hard truth
i cut down one of my 2 trees today.
wet weight just cut down is 1118g
for arguements sake divide it by 4 for drying purposes and its 280g
thats about half of the 450g i was aiming for.
all of you that said (or thought) that i couldnt grow 1gpw in that stupid heat were right. I can do it in winter, but not in summer.
As an aside (and not an excuse) i have never yielded well with this cut of agent orange. I shouldnt have created this thread with this strain. People told me it yields better than my querkle, but it never has for me. My 4 week old querkles already have bigger buds than my 8 week agent oranges do.
I will try this again in the cooler months and see if i can do better, and the other plant still needs to be cut down. on round about basic maths im looking at 20 ounces for the grow which is 2 plants and half of 3 x 600w lights. There are people out there that would love to score 20 ounces so i shouldnt feel too bad.
I will post the real dry final scores when its all done and dusted.
Holy smokes.. that thing is a beast. So around 5oz per plant?
Might just not be the right variety for vertical. Are all of your varieties wild like that with branches just being really floppy and what not.. or is that a result of the high heat?
My vertical plants normally put out definitive "arms" as opposed to a bunch of shoots going everywhere.
Congrats on the harvest. Hopefully drys up to more then you expect. Looks like a nightmare to harvest.
Might just not be the right variety for vertical. Are all of your varieties wild like that with branches just being really floppy and what not.. or is that a result of the high heat?
My vertical plants normally put out definitive "arms" as opposed to a bunch of shoots going everywhere.
Congrats on the harvest. Hopefully drys up to more then you expect. Looks like a nightmare to harvest.
I second it looks like a nightmare to trim.
Sounds like how an outdoor plant leans depending on how the sun passes over it. Plants GROW toward the light so "training" to be away from the light just don't work as they will forever be reaching for it... we tryin to grow branches or buds? Although we grow with vertical bulbs, plants still grow UP and once they done veggin, best leave them alone... they do just fine without any help outdoors. No screens or strings needed for support.
Trimming gives one time to think about shit, eh? Dusting sounds easier...
Congrats on the harvest, but you're going to have a mulch pile when it's all said and done.
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DaveTheNewbie
10 per it would seem
its not the right variety for how i grow. It is floppy as shit. I think alot of that is the strain and alot is having it tied to a screen. Im not sure its as good an idea as i used to.
it is a **** of a thing to harvest.
i second that it is
ive never grown a tree that didnt need support indoors. But its the first time ive grown on a rack and the plant was very wierd with zero strength in its branches. They were like rubber. wierd.
sure does. I also invent new swear words too. I have quite a list now.
suprisingly not. Theres not as much plant material as it would seem. Its large on the front but it has no depth due to the screen. Its a very 2 dimensional plant.
Chalk it up to a lesson learned Dave, at least like you said, you have smoke now that wasn't there yesterday. Now you know what you need to do to adapt and overcome. Take every grow as a learning experience and evolve from it. Keep notes use this thread as a log to look back on to see what happened and think about what you need to do differently. Next round can only be better right?
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DaveTheNewbie
wierd story
i just cut down my second plant :
the wet weight of this one is 1698g
divide that by 4 and its 425g, which is close to my target of 450g
im really quite happy with this yield. It was a dream to harvest compared to the other plant, and took half the time too. Lots of big fat chunky nugs and way less larfy shit.
so why is it that 2 clones that have been vegged and flowered next to each other in the same environment in the same pots and from the same res etc are so different?
1118g vs 1698g (total of 2816)
40% vs 60% (of total harvest)
the second plant is 50% bigger than the first.
the only reason i can come up with is blumats not delivering enough water to the first plant. Nothing else changed. I know i sound like a broken record re blumats, but seriously, can anyone else come up with a viable explaination?
anyway total yield is looking like being about ... 25 ounces now. Still not the 30 odd i was aiming for, but better that it looked 2 days ago.
i just cut down my second plant :
the wet weight of this one is 1698g
divide that by 4 and its 425g, which is close to my target of 450g
im really quite happy with this yield. It was a dream to harvest compared to the other plant, and took half the time too. Lots of big fat chunky nugs and way less larfy shit.
so why is it that 2 clones that have been vegged and flowered next to each other in the same environment in the same pots and from the same res etc are so different?
1118g vs 1698g (total of 2816)
40% vs 60% (of total harvest)
the second plant is 50% bigger than the first.
the only reason i can come up with is blumats not delivering enough water to the first plant. Nothing else changed. I know i sound like a broken record re blumats, but seriously, can anyone else come up with a viable explaination?
anyway total yield is looking like being about ... 25 ounces now. Still not the 30 odd i was aiming for, but better that it looked 2 days ago.
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DaveTheNewbie
slightly closer to the exhaust. one was under it and one was next to it. Difference of about a foot from the middle of the plant to the carbon filter.
I have a big assed fan circulating air in the tent, so i doubt its airflow, but nice thinking HotBox!
Good to hear your positive attitude Dave. I was raised around agricultural and I learned how a few bad days of weather effect the bottom line. If that one plant got over or under watered just once..the yield will suffer. Shit has to be perfect, for perfect results. Few tweaks of a dial here add up in the long run.
hotboxes makes a great point and I'd also like to address your big ass fan. Think about VPD..transpiration.. too much wind on a plant dries it out and the plant adapts by uptaking more water (with nutrients that it does not need!) instead of... lettin the juices swell up into buds...like DHF says. Maybe rethink the size of fan below the bulb..and the direction it's aimed.
I'm no expert myself, but I'll offer my opinion on your setup... 2D plants won't yield well unless they are deep enough and ya only need to support heavy buds... Now I don't want to discredit Marlo's screens because they do have a purpose...larger plant, more bud sights not too close to the light...adding up to more assurance that you will get yield, but at the expense of your sanity while trimming and less visually pleasing nugs.
Even though you are in a confined space, that don't mean ya gotta run the 3 600s vertically like ya did. Plants still like bulbs tilted at 45 +/- 15 degrees. I bet you could have gotten better results growing a single plant with 3 lights around the plant..having the heights slightly offset.. Ya know where the big colas grow so what can ya really expect out of that bottom 600? Besides heating up your medium which causes evaporation..issues with the blumats..and an environment where nasties like to live.
Anyway, just some thoughts that crossed my mind.. keep your chin up man.. I've had some strains that produced thick nugs above the medium..not near the light.. and some that don't. Take care.
hotboxes makes a great point and I'd also like to address your big ass fan. Think about VPD..transpiration.. too much wind on a plant dries it out and the plant adapts by uptaking more water (with nutrients that it does not need!) instead of... lettin the juices swell up into buds...like DHF says. Maybe rethink the size of fan below the bulb..and the direction it's aimed.
I'm no expert myself, but I'll offer my opinion on your setup... 2D plants won't yield well unless they are deep enough and ya only need to support heavy buds... Now I don't want to discredit Marlo's screens because they do have a purpose...larger plant, more bud sights not too close to the light...adding up to more assurance that you will get yield, but at the expense of your sanity while trimming and less visually pleasing nugs.
Even though you are in a confined space, that don't mean ya gotta run the 3 600s vertically like ya did. Plants still like bulbs tilted at 45 +/- 15 degrees. I bet you could have gotten better results growing a single plant with 3 lights around the plant..having the heights slightly offset.. Ya know where the big colas grow so what can ya really expect out of that bottom 600? Besides heating up your medium which causes evaporation..issues with the blumats..and an environment where nasties like to live.
Anyway, just some thoughts that crossed my mind.. keep your chin up man.. I've had some strains that produced thick nugs above the medium..not near the light.. and some that don't. Take care.
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DaveTheNewbie
i hate to flog a dead horse, but its the only explination i can come up with ...
cause its on the ground pointed up to the roof its sucking air from all 4 floor corners to feed it. but the air goes straight up rather than blasting at the plants. I find that the leaves move gently rather than aggressivly but the air circulates
well its deep enough, maybe 2 foot deep. light didnt get thru the body of the screens. and yeah your right about it being a total prick to harvest. just cutting branches off the screen is a shit job that takes a while. I find vert in general seems to give lots of small buds rather than the monster donkey dicks that horiz gives
i never thought of that ... amazing how someone else can see whats obvious but blind to you. 1 plant with 3 lamps away from each other means less concentrated heat and as you say, light where the plant benefits most. Top the shit outta it in veg and grow a fat bush ... im growing on the idea. maybe 2 plants given i have a very rectangular room and 3 lights
thank you cat, one of the more thought provoking posts ive had in a while.
Very good post catman - thought provoking, as dave said..
I have to disagree with the concept that a 2D (good way to put it) plant won't yield as well as a 3D plant, and I'd go even further to disagree with the idea of trimming "less visually pleasing nugs."
My last haul of one particular variety, grown with a vert bulb, gave me 101 grams out of about 2.5 gallons of dirt. I don't say that to tell a fishin' story, but I honestly don't believe I could do a gram better had that plant been grown underneath a bulb, vs. next to it.
...and of that 101 grams, there was literally zero larf.
I think there's a lot to be said about the light traveling a shorter distance in a vert setup, vs. an overhead setup. There is no loss of branches, if you will, in a vert setup. And IME there is far less "lollipopping" in a vert setup. In overhead setups, it's not uncommon to see the bottom 12-16" of the plant stripped nekkid.
So, that having been said, while you're not stripping off as much of the bottom of the plant in a vert setup, you're also not "losing" any branches. That is, you still have the same number of branches/"leads" as the same plant if grown under a hood. It's just a matter of learning how to effectively train those branches so that everyone gets light/nobody is shaded..
Anyway, just
/very careful these days to not do anything that might turn a thread into scorched earth
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DaveTheNewbie
/very careful these days to not do anything that might turn a thread into scorched earth
it wont happen in my threads bud. firstly i dont get angry about someone having an opinion, and secondly nobody comes in here read my shit
A 2D plant with some depth...is a 3D plant..in my book too. A good grower lets the buds lean toward the light..Timing is everything. LOL I've grown some sativas mate and although I love them...not all the time.
I mentioned the importance of the strain in my post. Larf is also a very subjective term...I don't mind smokin my larf at all. I also wasn't saying anything about vert vs horizontal lighting...Dave seems confined by space..not efficiency..Donuts have their purpose.
It's just a matter of learning how to effectively train those branches so that everyone gets light/nobody is shaded..
/very careful these days to not do anything that might turn a thread into scorched earth
Training branches and buds are two different things. I've grown some plants with the objective of getting as many bud sites as possible to ensure a good yield too..I totally get where your coming from. Bringing the lights closer brings radiant heat that can be moved by anything...This is why DHF preaches keepin the light bouncing all around...without the heat..which makes a plant transpire instead of..growin. When I look at Micro Grows that have relatively bigger colas ALL OVER under or next to the bulb, I smile
When I see tree plants with a huge cola in the middle a foot or two taller than the majority of the canopy...I frown when they're several feet from each other...wasted spaced. I'm a friendly catman and being I've never had a problem with ya..only had problems with a few..maybe your perception of me is a little skewed as it's coming too much from the few
