Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

[DHF]

I have found that in veg it is easier for me to get the structure I want by moving the light in relation to the plant then trim fan leaves. Every time I trim fans in veg it slows the plant some.

That said in flower I have found that trimming the fans slowly after stretch will not slow the plant if done correctly. When I trim after stretch the buds get denser and more frosty. If I don't trim any buds that are shaded are usually crap at harvest.

Proof`s in da pudding , and not 1 person I`ve EVER shared knowledge and experience with has come back and said it was bullshit and didn`t work......

Arm makes a good point as well in that it also allows the plant to breathe better by opening up the "innards" of the plants and help keep the airborn nasties away with proper air exchange during late flower , as well as indeed dropping RH levels by getting rid of "most" of the source of transpiration in late bloomage.....and.....

Now ....back to our regularly scheduled program......

Peace....DHF..........

 

[FOE20]

Arm I get ya and I'll add that I pref Vert over horiz...but it is how you use it all....I feed low, utilize the strain types vs method used, strip the lowers and use the space and the varieties to the best of my ability..without making it complex at all I just can tell when they are happy or by slow response..
lack of any response usually tells me somethins off...

good job DHF...dig your style m8....keep um inline sir...

my avr is 1.3gpw no matter the variety...and you may not see many that can claim that in mixed perpetual enviros...I do count #s in perpetual sets and pay attention to every detail..so its all very possible..I know of seen and have pics of folk workin on avr 3-4lbs/1k...all vert...very well designed...
I always know when my ladies are at peak health cause I never get a break..heh....they out grow me and its bloody hard just to keep up...prune, trim, cut back, train..no matter...all same when their singin...
Im not sayin nothin on the fan thing...To me its both ways and all good...do what ya feel and if ya talk to them they will talk to you..but if your plants look pissed off and "Act" slow?......its prob your fault..

Interesting to read how ppl deal with plants...If they just tried to live and grow with them it would be so easy...
Stress...heh...you stress a healthy plant?...not where Im from..
If its healthy you can do about anything and it jst keeps commin back stronger..in bloom proper work will cause auxins to go off and it really grows for You...
but most ppl blame the plants for sad expression or results...go figure...
ok to much talk I know...so my basic on fan or not....
Fans are the solar panels and food reserve..do they need all of them?..naa....
I leave a few lowers on but remove node point so I can use the fan as a diagnosis point...it will show low feeding Defs first usually by classic yellowin , etc..
later in bloom if its a certain type I take a few off each wk till its done..just helping it along at best...
I do not over feed and pull green plants...or remove fans to force bloom processes...but it def dont hurt to take some off and help light reach innermost bud sites and use these techs that do assist in this..
man theres so many ways to skin these cats....its really all just growin..the more ya try to learn the more you actually might tho..
just like the more you talk to your plants the more they can talk back to ya...
from what I was taught growin up....when ya do any of this and use the auxins of the plant it def will go crazy for ya...
plant cells, capillaries and vessels become more functional and stronger just like human bones when broken heal stronger..
in plants its said to actually increase the throughput and become more productive after it repairs itself from supercroppin techs or about any manipulation tech....
anyway...I dig doin these techs...
also never under estimate what this plant can do....
good stuff fellaz

this rig is what it is...not my work but it says it all...and anything is possible..

yields are approaching 4lb per 1k and it is my feeling that 5lb pr 1k is near and ultimately it is my belief that up to 6+ pr 1k will happen with system design improvement , strain discovery , training and veg times are perfected .

FOE20

 

[sweetestsin420]

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[Arminius]

Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

Was meaning some sort of screen or trellis. Looks like a lot of buds could be pulled forward or back to form a more solid canopy...

 

[sweetestsin420]

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[DHF]

Arm I get ya and I'll add that I pref Vert over horiz...but it is how you use it all....I feed low, utilize the strain types vs method used, strip the lowers and use the space and the varieties to the best of my ability..without making it complex at all I just can tell when they are happy or by slow response..
lack of any response usually tells me somethins off...

good job DHF...dig your style m8....keep um inline sir...

my avr is 1.3gpw no matter the variety...and you may not see many that can claim that in mixed perpetual enviros...I do count #s in perpetual sets and pay attention to every detail..so its all very possible..I know of seen and have pics of folk workin on avr 3-4lbs/1k...all vert...very well designed...
I always know when my ladies are at peak health cause I never get a break..heh....they out grow me and its bloody hard just to keep up...prune, trim, cut back, train..no matter...all same when their singin...
Im not sayin nothin on the fan thing...To me its both ways and all good...do what ya feel and if ya talk to them they will talk to you..but if your plants look pissed off and "Act" slow?......its prob your fault..

Interesting to read how ppl deal with plants...If they just tried to live and grow with them it would be so easy...
Stress...heh...you stress a healthy plant?...not where Im from..
If its healthy you can do about anything and it jst keeps commin back stronger..in bloom proper work will cause auxins to go off and it really grows for You...
but most ppl blame the plants for sad expression or results...go figure...
ok to much talk I know...so my basic on fan or not....
Fans are the solar panels and food reserve..do they need all of them?..naa....
I leave a few lowers on but remove node point so I can use the fan as a diagnosis point...it will show low feeding Defs first usually by classic yellowin , etc..
later in bloom if its a certain type I take a few off each wk till its done..just helping it along at best...
I do not over feed and pull green plants...or remove fans to force bloom processes...but it def dont hurt to take some off and help light reach innermost bud sites and use these techs that do assist in this..
man theres so many ways to skin these cats....its really all just growin..the more ya try to learn the more you actually might tho..
just like the more you talk to your plants the more they can talk back to ya...
from what I was taught growin up....when ya do any of this and use the auxins of the plant it def will go crazy for ya...
plant cells, capillaries and vessels become more functional and stronger just like human bones when broken heal stronger..
in plants its said to actually increase the throughput and become more productive after it repairs itself from supercroppin techs or about any manipulation tech....
anyway...I dig doin these techs...
also never under estimate what this plant can do....
good stuff fellaz

this rig is what it is...not my work but it says it all...and anything is possible..

FOE20

Just proof positive that the sky`s the limit with 4 dimensional sideways canopies that get dialed and exploited for every gram that can be squeezed out of "increased plant number" setups.......

FOE......Long time ....Hope all`s been well in your lil world.......How bout pitchin in every chance yas get and help folks see some of your vast collection of more strains /varieties than I EVER saw run by 1 or 2 folks .......

Your examples might help folks like DF keep their fuckin mouth shut , but you as well as I know that the yield puppies aren`t on the public forums , and that`s why he thinks he and his "Crew" think they`re special.....and....

I assure yas....EVERYBODY that rolls hard on the left coast and supplies the dispensaries with major weight from San Diego to Vancouver are waaaaay beyond some of my oldest and dearest growbro`s from back in the day when Cali went wild wild west in the mid 90`s and ALL members on the small invite only med sites since long before Overgrow and Cannabisworld shut down due to their paranoia cuz they WERE rollin big , so .....

Who`re these "big boys" you`re talkin bout DF that roll 100`s of lbs every month I`m so sure don`t exist.....anyways..again....

I just tryta help folks......I`m retired and don`t grow anymore........but I`m bored and still tryta share what I learned over the yrs instead of tryin to jam something down their throats like it`s the ONLY way to do shit when folks know better....

FOE...Visit regular to help keep folks like DF from startin bullshit like he so enjoys doin.....cuz....as a rule , this is a quiet and tight knit community of well versed and knowledgeable growers , and .....

When WE go into other sub categories we don`t fuck with folks and tell em their setup`s bullshit and they should switch to our way......

We just tryta help em dial environment.....after all........Watts per sq ft don`t mean dick without dialed ambient temps and relative humidity regardless of havin a flat 1 dimensional canopy , or ......a 4 dimensional "sideways" canopy where increased plant numbers dictate yields....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I wouldn't do anything to those yet, except trim only enough leaf to expose the tops that it is directly blocking. If it is not directly blocking other tops then leave it alone. At this point though it is best to wait till after the stretch phase is finished.

 

[FOE20]

heya HashZepp....you mean on that cage rig?.....sorry not sure who your post was aimed at brah....
but for the cages its that 1-2'ft of penetration and the variety in use...not much to sweat cause as DHF implied..its a #s game in that sitch really...
quality?...well thats a growers sitch....and how well he really knows the varieties in use...


also there was 2 rigs shown...1 plummer crack-PVC rig..and the cage set and [perty sure it was all D2W...they also tested a 3 side..and 6 i believe?...4 was the best over all....

indeed DHF....honestly...I feel we are the only ones that are limited...in more than just 1 way also bradda...like we were here forst or something...heheh
if they dont respect the Plants..the Plants will never respect them...but try tellin that to a kid now a days ya know....
Im def starting to learn the groove here again...been a min, but can see how its goin...does seem to be allot of imposition and lack of proof/images/valid input...
could be worse tho eh?...hehe....
the main diff between a freedom Fighter..and the next guy maybe?...heh...
keep um rollin!
FOE20

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I was referring to Azeotrope's set up.

 

[miscbrah3284]

ime if a plant is gunna herm its gunna herm whether i defoliate or not surprisingly....

Ive defoliated a strain, topped it the next time, lst'd the following, supercropping....if it's gunna herm it's gunna herm.

a lot of people are talking about what i like to do, just defoliate the fan leaves off after the stretch is over + a week or so...the buds will have plenty of energy in the sugar leaves to bud + ripen. will probably flush faster too

 

[Azeotrope]

Thanks Hash, I knew you were sending me some advice and it is appreciated. I had kind of blown this thread off with all of the bickering and attitude that got out of control. Looks like it has settled hopefully!

 

[Avinash.miles]

Just proof positive that the sky`s the limit with 4 dimensional sideways canopies that get dialed and exploited for every gram that can be squeezed out of "increased plant number" setups.......
...

height, width, depth...
wait, what's the 4th dimension?
just when u think u got a handle on things, there's a whole other dimension?

 

[Jbonez]

height, width, depth...
wait, what's the 4th dimension?
just when u think u got a handle on things, there's a whole other dimension?

Avi, hop over to Bldswttrs grow show in vert, he is doing exactly what DHF is preaching, I think verbatim...

 

[Avinash.miles]

oh, i see, 4 sided

 

[DHF]

oh, i see, 4 sided

Lmao....Didn`t mean we was breakin the time/space continuum Avi , just usin all available sq and cu ftg for plant placement with bare bulbs......and....

I`m glad Payaso came in and cleaned the thread up , so maybe now knowledge can be gained and spread once more....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

here is a good way to think about it guys. What does an apple tree do in autumn? It loses it's leaves, and ripens it's fruit. The reason those leaves are dying is because the fruit is sucking out all the food and getting ready for winter. The leaves fall just a few at a time as well, not all in one day. Your Plants are the same way. They need those leaves to properly ripen, but through the process of making fruit is is gonna start losing leaves slowly. That is how you defoliate. slowly. imitate nature. I even give my plants a dawn and a dusk with less light for the first and last hours. the result is MORE FROST.

 

[Jbonez]

Lmao....Didn`t mean we was breakin the time/space continuum Avi , just usin all available sq and cu ftg for plant placement with bare bulbs......and....

I`m glad Payaso came in and cleaned the thread up , so maybe now knowledge can be gained and spread once more....

Peace....DHF..........

Freds, tears bro...

Avi, love ya ta death homie.. but that shit was funny...

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

The 4th dimension is time. Advanced nutrients probably would sell something called chronoload if they could make that snake oil.

 

[Jbonez]

The 4th dimension is time.

I guess thats the only way we can look at.. Some humans however, in remote tribal communities are unable to view time in its linear state, to them, there is only the present.. Im unclear if zeitgeist is the correct world for this or not..

 

[doneit]

Bump.

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