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Politicians Move to Change Federal Pot Laws

SEATTLE (AP) — An effort is building in Congress to change U.S. marijuana laws, including moves to legalize the industrial production of hemp and establish a hefty federal pot tax.
While passage this year could be a longshot, lawmakers from both parties have been quietly working on several bills, the first of which Democratic Reps. Earl Blumenauer of Oregon and Jared Polis of Colorado plan to introduce Tuesday, Blumenauer told The Associated Press.
Polis’ measure would regulate marijuana the way the federal government handles alcohol: In states that legalize pot, growers would have to obtain a federal permit. Oversight of marijuana would be removed from the Drug Enforcement Administration and given to the newly renamed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana and Firearms, and it would remain illegal to bring marijuana from a state where it’s legal to one where it isn’t.
The bill is based on a legalization measure previously pushed by former Reps. Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Ron Paul of Texas.
Blumenauer’s bill would create a federal marijuana excise tax of 50 percent on the “first sale” of marijuana — typically, from a grower to a processor or retailer. It also would tax pot producers or importers $1,000 annually and other marijuana businesses $500.
His office said Monday it doesn’t yet have an estimate of how much the taxes might bring in. But a policy paper Blumenauer and Polis are releasing this week suggests, based on admittedly vague estimates, that a federal tax of $50 per ounce could raise $20 billion a year. They call for directing the money to law enforcement, substance abuse treatment and the national debt.
Last fall’s votes in Colorado and Washington state to legalize recreational marijuana should push Congress to end the 75-year federal pot prohibition, Blumenauer said.
Washington state officials have estimated that its legal marijuana market could bring in about half a billion dollars a year in state taxes.
“You folks in Washington and my friends in Colorado really upset the apple cart,” Blumenauer said. “We’re still arresting two-thirds of a million people for use of a substance that a majority feel should be legal. … It’s past time for us to step in and try to sort this stuff out.”


http://www.salon.com/2013/02/04/dems_move_to_change_federal_pot_laws/
 

RandyCalifornia

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they're all for it with LARGE chunks of REGULATIONS and TAXES.
I could see that for large commercial outfits, but what happens to mom and pop?
 

cravin morehead

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i think these guidelines are going to change a bunch before anything is final. but, i don't think the proposed $1000 a year for a grower or $500 a year for other cannabis business is excessive. even for a mom and pop. $1000/year is a very small percentage of what a mom and pop operation could produce annually.
also, we are going to have to make compromises to take the first steps toward federal acceptance. the rules will be ever changing. i think we should be thinking more towards compromise than "i want to run a cannabis business and not pay any taxes" line of thinking. in america, all businesses pay taxes. this shouldn't be any different. also, the money generated through these taxes could really help this whole country and any other nations that follow our lead...

just my opinion,

cm
 
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SeaMaiden

they're all for it with LARGE chunks of REGULATIONS and TAXES.
I could see that for large commercial outfits, but what happens to mom and pop?

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RandyCalifornia

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I pay taxes already.
It's not just that they want to tax it it's that they feel 50% tax is not a problem because everybody is already paying big for their herb.
I guess that leaves a thriving black market in it's wake, so whatever.
 

cravin morehead

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i agree 50% is a little high... their term 'first' sale is confusing. does first mean- the first time you sell or -first being from producer to who/where ever?
in california, beer excise tax rate is $.20/gal + $.52/gal local tax statewide + 10% on premise tax. distilled spirits taxes are much more $3.30/gal and over 50% local tax. so realistically, its relative to the same taxes for cannabis and distilled spirits.
i just think we need to realize, legalization is not going to be this huge make money legally free option. but, just like a small brewery or small distillery, it will be possible to make a legal living through cannabis. will it be free, hell no.
a black market doesn't help a nation progress as a whole. maybe some of you guys just want it all, but that just won't happen...

state excise tax info from:
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/tax_stru.html#Excise

thanks for the interesting disscussion,

cm
 

Morcheeba*

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...Blumenauer’s bill would create a federal marijuana excise tax of 50 percent on the “first sale” of marijuana — typically, from a grower to a processor or retailer. It also would tax pot producers or importers $1,000 annually and other marijuana businesses $500...
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/04/dems_move_to_change_federal_pot_laws/


so a 50% tax on 1st sale.........FROM GROWER to whomever + $1,000 annually for being a "Producer"

other Canna-biz gets a $500 per yr tax.


as a grower you should also OWN the outlet so the 1st sale is taxed @50%. sell lbs @ similar prices as other legal consumable foods @ a few $$ per lb and your 50% tax isnt a burden.

as an owner of a Canna-Retailer you by for $10 lb and sell at what price allows for profit just like any other business.


peace
 

MJPassion

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Polis’ measure would regulate marijuana the way the federal government handles alcohol: In states that legalize pot, growers would have to obtain a federal permit.

FUCK this shit... It's a clear violation of individual rights!


i think these guidelines are going to change a bunch before anything is final. but, i don't think the proposed $1000 a year for a grower or $500 a year for other cannabis business is excessive. even for a mom and pop. $1000/year is a very small percentage of what a mom and pop operation could produce annually.
also, we are going to have to make compromises to take the first steps toward federal acceptance. the rules will be ever changing. i think we should be thinking more towards compromise than "i want to run a cannabis business and not pay any taxes" line of thinking. in america, all businesses pay taxes. this shouldn't be any different. also, the money generated through these taxes could really help this whole country and any other nations that follow our lead...

just my opinion,

cm
Incorporated businesses are legally regulated but even for Mom and Pop?
You're crazy... What is the world going to do when we, as individuals, get taxed for growing our own tomatoes?

No nation TAXED itself out of debt. This proposal is nothing more than a scam used, by the few that control the many, to dupe you out of YOUR hard earned wages.

Taxation = Regulation = Prohibition (if even for a few) :tumbleweed:
 
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GreenHills

FUCK this shit... It's a clear violation of individual rights!

Oh you think people that sell booze don't have to have a permit?

I would get 10 permits if meant the cops weren't going to kick in my front door and take me to prison. That's just me though!
 

Morcheeba*

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...Incorporated businesses are legally regulated but even for Mom and Pop?
You're crazy... What is the world going to do when we, as individuals, get taxed for growing our own tomatoes?...



this is what the end of Cannabis prohibition looks like and im not sure the paranoid leap of logic of how this relates to being taxed for growing your own tomatoes.

if you buy the said tomatoes you pay a tax as well as the retail outlet that sold it.

if you pick said tomatoes from your garden then you pay no tax.

see the correlation between the two?

the proposed bill taxes those engaging in the sale of Cannabis, no tax for personal growing/consumption.

jmo


EDIT: didnt see the regulation=tax=prohibition shit but FUCK YOURSELF.

ever give a thought of those in jail due to growing a fucking plant bro............well, the end of Cannabis prohibition = no more jail for growing Cannabis.

and this FUCK YOU is for those i know in jail in my state for this plant.


peace
 

cravin morehead

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Originally Posted by ThaMagnificent
Polis’ measure would regulate marijuana the way the federal government handles alcohol: In states that legalize pot, growers would have to obtain a federal permit.

FUCK this shit... It's a clear violation of individual rights!

no its not. the way i see it, people that grow corn, hops, wheat, barley, etc all have to have permits to sell what they've grown. same thing here.

so you think $1000/ year is too much for a mom & pop to pay per year?? check out how much other small businesses pay per year in taxes and you'll realize $1000/ year is nothing. i sure as hell know, i alone could grow enough to make $1000/year look like nothing.
the proposed bill taxes those engaging in the sale of Cannabis, no tax for personal growing/consumption.
exactly!

you guys do realize that there will never be a 'grow and sell all the bud you want for free, oh ya and its totally legal' type of situation. in this country, if you want to own your own business, there are fees/taxes to pay. get over it.
this whole 'i should be able to do whatever i want, whenever i want, with no consequence attitude', is killing this country. no one feels like they should take part in repairing the mess that has been created here. somehow magically all our problems will be solved without any sweat off our brow.
the attitude this country has adopted is its worst enemy. its embarrassing. we used to lead the world in all kinds of stuff. namely, education. now we're just middle of the road. the old ways have gotten us where we are today. time to wise-up and change.

cm
 
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